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Pet Forum / Birds / Parrots / September 2004Injury
Hi guys, Poor Paco has injured himself!! I came downstairs this morning and he can't use his right claw although he dosen't seem to be in pain because I can touch it without him trying to bite me... I've got a vets appointment soon but i'm really worried.. has anyone seen this before?? any ideas what it is?? > Hi guys, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > but i'm really worried.. has anyone seen this before?? any ideas what it > is?? Did it happen in his cage? Caught a claw in a toy, the bars?  SignatureMichael > > > Hi guys, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > Did it happen in his cage? Caught a claw in a toy, the bars? I've had him at the vets and they've given him an anti-inflamitry injection.. He didn't seem to mind the vets much... The vet went through his diet with me and thinks he needs more calcium so i'm going to see to that right now... any advise on what to give him?? > -- > Michael [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > diet with me and thinks he needs more calcium so i'm going to see to that > right now... any advise on what to give him?? Eggs (my CAG *loves* hard-boiled eggs), and dark leafy greens such as kale. > > -- > > Michael [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Eggs (my CAG *loves* hard-boiled eggs), and dark leafy greens such as kale. Too much egg yolk can give the bird cholestrol and make it fat. Buying the best quality staple diet and adding calcium rich foods too is the best way to go I reckon. > I've had him at the vets and they've given him an anti-inflamitry > injection.. He didn't seem to mind the vets much... The vet went through his > diet with me and thinks he needs more calcium so i'm going to see to that > right now... any advise on what to give him?? Yes! If you are still feeding him the pet shop parrot food, throw it out, go to www.robharvey.com and order some witte molen parrot premium, or even better, a tri-pack for £14.99. You get a months supply of wmpp, some soak mix and a cooking mix. Also ask Rob to send you a small tub of nutrobal. Also offer him, low fat yogurt, low fat cottage cheese, broccolli, and other dark green leafy things like watercress and raw spinach leaf if he will eat it. Greys seem to be prone to hypocalcaemia (low calcium) and feeding a diet high in sunflower seed will make the problem worse as sunflower seeds hinder the absorption of calcium. You can feed him all the calcium rich food in the world but if you also feed him on the poisonous crap sold in pet shops you are wasting your time. Tell Rob, Molly said to send you a sample of witte molen parrot premium and he will. Ask him about the tri packs too. They are a nutritionally balanced seed based diet for parrots containing all manner of wonderful things like millets, perilla,safflower,dried carrot (vitamin A to help fight off infection) rosehips, other dried fruit. Bloody marvellous stuff. And no I'm not related, nor do I get commission. It is what our top zoos feed and what has made a difference to some of the birds now in my care. In the case of at least one, I firmly believe it saved the birds life!! If you get the tri-pack you will be amazed at how different it is to what is sold in pet shops. My CAG likes eggshells. I give them to him after boiling some eggs by breaking them into small pieces and putting them into a seperate food dish in his cage. I didn't think he would eat eggshell, but on the other hand he won't go near kale! Another calcium booster my bird likes is corn flakes in milk - he even likes to lap the milk up by itself. > Another calcium booster my bird likes is corn flakes in milk - he even > likes to lap the milk up by itself. but if you are also feeding a diet high in sunflower seed it hinders the absorption of calcium. > but if you are also feeding a diet high in sunflower seed it hinders the > absorption of calcium. Are you totally committed to passing on misinformation??? How can sunflower possibly hinder the absorbtion of calcium. True, the Ca/P ratio might not be the ideal 1:2 but all that means is that not all the available Ca is absorbed in the gut. Sunflower is one of the better seeds for it's calcium content. Birdman. > > but if you are also feeding a diet high in sunflower seed it hinders the > > absorption of calcium. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > absorbed in the gut. > Sunflower is one of the better seeds for it's calcium content. A diet high in sunflower is generally not good for many reasons, not just the lack of calcium. You make it sound like sunflower seed is a good thing for a parrot. It isn't. Unless you sprout it of course. A brief search around the 'net has come up with: "Calcium uptake is hindered by high amounts of sodium, animal protein, oxalate and phytate found in some plant foods, such as beets, spinach, and rhubarb (oxalate), and sunflower seeds, " from http://www.americanrunning.org/displayindustryarticle.cfm?articlenbr=1249 and "High fat diets may produce fatty acids in the intestines which can reduce available calcium by forming insoluble calcium soaps. High-fat seeds (eg unsprouted sunflower, safflower) may also impede calcium uptake in the the intestines." from http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww22eii.htm I don't feel incline to look for more. > A diet high in sunflower is generally not good for many reasons, not just > the lack of calcium. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww22eii.htm > I don't feel incline to look for more. Sunflower is used as the base seed for most psittacine diets in both Australia and South Africa and from what I gather in participating on the avicultural lists, the average lifespan of psittacines in captivity in both these locations is considerably higher than that in both the U.S and U.K. Naturally it is not their exclusive diet but usually comprises at least 20% to 50% of the whole. Particularly when sprouted as well as being fed dry. Any produce farmer wanting to grow Sunflower has the choice of at least 10 different cultivars. Each with it's own particular nutritional analysis all of which have been selectively bred by the seed producers over many decades, to supply specific end product for widely diverse markets from animal feeds to soap, margarine and oil manufacture. To even suggest that sunflower is sunflower and that it is all the same in nutritional analysis, is being naive in the extreme. The white and white striped varieties are very low in total fat and are grown and marketed specifically for the poultry and bird feed markets. Do a bit more research and you will see that there are precious few grains which can actually compete with sunflower as an all round food. Birdman. > Sunflower is used as the base seed for most psittacine diets in both > Australia and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > higher than > that in both the U.S and U.K. So what is the average in all the countries you mention? >Naturally it is not their exclusive diet but > usually comprises > at least 20% to 50% of the whole. Data please? I would be interested to see what typical diets in SA and Australia are. > Particularly when sprouted as well as > being fed dry. Sprouted sunflower is good. > Any produce farmer wanting to grow Sunflower has the choice of at least 10 > different [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > grown and marketed > specifically for the poultry and bird feed markets. Hmm yet all the evidence shows sunflower to be high in fat. Where do you get your information on them being low in fat from please. >Do a bit more research > and you will see > that there are precious few grains which can actually compete with sunflower > as an all round > food. I have done lots of research, even posted links to credible sites read lots of books written by experts in the field. Unless you can direct me to some websites or written data to support your view I cannot regard it as being important. > Birdman. >> Sunflower is used as the base seed for most psittacine diets in both >> Australia and [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > cannot regard it as being important. >> Birdman. The same can be said of grit. No scientific data to support it's dangerous reputation. |
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