quaker vs conure
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fred - 27 May 2005 12:22 GMT hey all , almost had my mind made on on getting my wife a maroone bellied coure for her b-day, have been researching them for a couple of months now. now the breeder that i was going to get one from tells me about the quakers hes got so i sat down last night and started to look them up, , from what i have been reading just last night, they sure seem like a very nice bird. the reason i was leaning on the maroon bellied counure was the noise level, as i am a shift worker, so how would the noise level be on the quakers. and anything else anyone can tell me that compares the two, pluses and negatives. thanks again. fred
AnotherBirdLover - 27 May 2005 14:48 GMT The Maroone bellies are a member of the Pyrrhura species, from the best I can tell all share the same traits (just different colors). You may consider trying to find a Pyrrhura breeder in your area if you decide to go with Maroone belly.
I was just recently comparing the Quaker and Pyrrhura's myself and ended up going with another Green Cheek. I've spent hours talking with a few people I know about this to help make my decision, one of which has breed Quakers and Pyrrhura's at differnet points over the last 13 years.
http://www.pyrrhurabreedersassociation.com/rosifron.htm
Here is some general information:
- Lifespan: Quakers average between 30-35 years, Pyrrhura's 25-30 years.
- Noise level: Quakers are inconsistant when it comes to noise level, some can be very loud some aren't so much. It depends on the bird and what it learns.
Pyrrhura's are one the quitest of companion birds you can own.
-Origin: Both Quakers and Pyrrhura's are native to South America.
- Ability to talk: Quakers have excellent talking capabilities. Pyrrhura's are not such great talkers, but it seems most learn a few words.
- Cuddle Quakers and Pyrrhura's can both be great cuddle birds, depends on the bird and what they learn.
- Playful/Active behavior Pyrrhura's are a bit more active than Quakers and should have more toys in their cage. Pyrrhura's are known to be "little clowns" and love to dangle upside down, by one foot, etc...
- Nippy behavior Any bird can bite, training is going to be an important factor regardless of what you get. I've heard the Quaker can have a very hard (painful) bite and will often break the skin. Quakers should be well socialized and handled with/by the entire family it will be living with, otherwise it may form agressive behavior towards some members and bit them.
Pyrrhura's of course can bite as well, but if they are well socialized most tend to not show agression towards people they encouter daily.
Either bird could bound to one person and appear most happy in the company of that person.
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In my area, Quakers are the best selling companion birds next to "normal" Parakettes (budgies) and their prices are $150-$200 for the normal (green) colored ones. I don't have any breeders around here that breed Blue, Yellow or Whites, but I've been told a Blue Quaker can go for around $350 here.
Pyrrhura's range in price, the normals and maroone bellies go from $180-$250. Cinnamon's and Yellow-sides $300-$350.
>From everything I've been told both Quakers and Pyrrhura's can make excellent companions, so I don't know if you go go wrong either way.
Bird hater - 27 May 2005 16:03 GMT > hey all , almost had my mind made on on getting my wife a maroone > bellied coure for her b-day, have been researching them for a couple [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > can tell me that compares the two, pluses and negatives. thanks > again. fred Bad points:
Conures are noisey bloody things.
Good points:
Mine shuts up when hit hard around the head or thrown at pace into a brick wall.
Phil Jarvis - 27 May 2005 17:10 GMT >>hey all , almost had my mind made on on getting my wife a maroone >>bellied coure for her b-day, have been researching them for a couple [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Conures are noisey bloody things. <speaking through hat on>
Quakers are very noisy too, but it seems to be generally agreed upon that conures are the noisier of the two.
Personally, for the limited extent of my interaction with either, I like the personality of Quakers, and the playfulness of conures. Tough call.
Make sure Quakers are legal in your state if you plan on getting one.
<speaking through hat off>
Gloria Carr - 27 May 2005 17:21 GMT >>>hey all , almost had my mind made on on getting my wife a maroone >>>bellied coure for her b-day, have been researching them for a couple [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > <speaking through hat off> Maroon Bellys are actually fairly quiet. I have a Black-capped conure, which is a close relative (same genera, different species), and while he does trill to himself quite a bit it is not very loud. The cockatiels are louder, actually. Quakers are not quite as noisy as a Sun Conure, but IME they are close.
Gloria
AnotherBirdLover - 27 May 2005 17:46 GMT For bird lovers the solution seems to be to own both. I'm planing to buy a Quaker within the next six to nine months.
pammyT - 27 May 2005 19:20 GMT > Quakers are very noisy too, but it seems to be generally agreed upon > that conures are the noisier of the two. Wrong. not all conures are noisy. The larger aratingas, nandays and suns are noisy. Quakers can be bloody noisy. I have both.
> Personally, for the limited extent of my interaction with either, I like > the personality of Quakers, and the playfulness of conures. Tough call. both the quakers and Pyrrhura conures are playful IME. I love both of the species. I have to admit though that quakers have a very loud alarm call , the small conures do not. Quakers have a better talking ability it seems judging by mine.
Gloria Carr - 27 May 2005 23:42 GMT >> Quakers are very noisy too, but it seems to be generally agreed upon >> that conures are the noisier of the two. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the small conures do not. > Quakers have a better talking ability it seems judging by mine. Yeah, they do. Wesley only knows a couple words, most quakers (or quackers as I like to call them. LOL) his age generally know much more. They can be nippy, but so can the Pyrrhuras.
Gloria
AnotherBirdLover - 27 May 2005 17:44 GMT I'm not familure with all species, but I know there is a pretty big difference in noise level between Pyrrhura's (Green Cheek, Maroone Bellies, etc..) and Aratinga (Sun's, Jendays, etc..). I've been told most Pyrrhura's make little noise (except at day break and dusk) mine last Green Cheek was not very noisey at all. We have to Parakette's who make much more noise than he did.
pammyT - 27 May 2005 19:22 GMT  Signature purebred poultry www.geocities.com/fenlandfowl
> I'm not familure with all species, but I know there is a pretty big > difference in noise level between Pyrrhura's (Green Cheek, Maroone Maroon
> Bellies, etc..) and Aratinga (Sun's, Jendays, etc..). Sun conures and jendays are not aratinga conures.
>I've been told > most Pyrrhura's make little noise (except at day break and dusk) >mine > last Green Cheek was not very noisey (noisy)at all. We have to (two)Parakette's (parakeets) who
> make much more noise than he did. :0) sorry I cannot help myself. I should have been a teacher lol.
AnotherBirdLover - 27 May 2005 19:59 GMT On the first point, Sun's and Jenday's most certainly are Aratinga's. Even if there were some disagreement, the majority opinion obviously classifies them as Aratinga's
Sun Conure (aka Gold caped conure) Scientific name: Aratinga Auricapilla
Jenday Conure Scientific name: Aratinga Jandaya
>From Dr. Matthew Vriends's book: Conures Complete Owners Manual: ISBN: 0764110381
- also see: The Conure Handbook by Anne C. Watkins ISBN: 0764127837
On the web: http://animal-world.com/encyclo/birds/conures/jenday.php http://animal-world.com/encyclo/birds/conures/sun.php
I did mistake the spelling on Parakette (sic). Actually I think I'm going to start calling them Budgerigar since I've heard Quakers and (even) Conures also refered to as "Parakeet". I guess Parakeet could apply to many species since it's translation means "small bodied parrot"
pammyT - 28 May 2005 11:48 GMT  Signature purebred poultry www.geocities.com/fenlandfowl
> On the first point, Sun's and Jenday's most certainly are Aratinga's. > Even if there were some disagreement, the majority opinion obviously > classifies them as Aratinga's I stand corrected.
> Sun Conure (aka Gold caped conure) > Scientific name: Aratinga Auricapilla aratinga solstitialis *you* stand corrected :0) According to 'the professional's book of conures' among others.
> Jenday Conure > Scientific name: Aratinga Jandaya [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > apply to many species since it's translation means "small bodied > parrot" And according to a couple of mine is means 'long tailed small parrot.
AnotherBirdLover - 28 May 2005 14:46 GMT Well, between the two of us we got it right :)
senn - 28 May 2005 15:06 GMT well if you were australian aboriginals you would call them good food.
> Well, between the two of us we got it right :) AnotherBirdLover - 28 May 2005 17:35 GMT That's right Budgerigar mean, so something like that (shiver to think). That brings a pretty horrid vision of a Barb-BQ
Bird hater - 28 May 2005 19:41 GMT I'm quite partial to the odd Barb-BQ'd Conure, damned expensive food though.
Gloria Carr - 28 May 2005 23:50 GMT > That's right Budgerigar mean, so something like that (shiver to > think). That brings a pretty horrid vision of a Barb-BQ I personally I doubt it, a budgie seems to be a bit small for a meal! They'd have to catch a whole bunch of them to get enough for a stew.
A cockatoo on the other hand...
Gloria, who prefers chicken
senn - 29 May 2005 01:04 GMT well as cruel as it is you could kebab a budgie.
and they did catch hundreds.
> > That's right Budgerigar mean, so something like that (shiver to > > think). That brings a pretty horrid vision of a Barb-BQ [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Gloria, who prefers chicken Wheeler - 29 May 2005 03:09 GMT would be tough and stringy
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>> That's right Budgerigar mean, so something like that (shiver to >> think). That brings a pretty horrid vision of a Barb-BQ [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Gloria, who prefers chicken Gloria Carr - 29 May 2005 03:00 GMT > would be tough and stringy No, they'd taste like chicken! Or so we always told Joey the U2 at Bird Gardens when he went on a screaming jag or bit someone.
Gloria
>>> That's right Budgerigar mean, so something like that (shiver to >>> think). That brings a pretty horrid vision of a Barb-BQ [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Gloria, who prefers chicken pammyT - 27 May 2005 19:17 GMT > > hey all , almost had my mind made on on getting my wife a maroone > > bellied coure for her b-day, have been researching them for a couple [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Conures are noisey bloody things. you are showing your ignorance. Not *all* conures are noisy. Mainly the aratinga conures are loud whereas small ones like the maroon bellied and green cheeked are not particularly.
> Good points: > > Mine shuts up when hit hard around the head or thrown at pace into a > brick wall. your mum should have done the same when you cried as a baby.
Sprite - 31 May 2005 07:04 GMT > hey all , almost had my mind made on on getting my wife a maroone > bellied coure for her b-day, have been researching them for a couple [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > can tell me that compares the two, pluses and negatives. thanks > again. fred With some research and last minute assistance from this newsgroup I chose a green cheek conure a few years ago. He talks a great deal. I have learned, most of his siblings do also including one owned by a woman who also has a quaker. She said the green cheek actually talks more than the quaker. I chalk it up to breeding, though unfortunately the breeder I bought him from no longer raises green cheeks :(. Conures have absolutely stolen my heart :) He seems a bit unusual compared to other peoples conures in that he does not seem to enjoy chewing on wood *headscratch* The avian vet says there is nothing wrong with his beak. It seems he would just rather fight with a bell toy than chew on any of the wood toys I buy for him. I see a few nibbles on wood toys, but thats about it.
He's only extremely noisy when something frightens him. Or when someone knocks on the door lol. He's like an extra alarm/doorbell. At times when I have been home either week-ends or ill, he's mostly quiet if I leave his radio on. He's not silent, but I don't usually hear him if Im trying to sleep. Sometimes if he's noisy and Im not feeling well I bring him back to the bedroom cage. He settles down since I am in the room with him.
Gloria Carr - 31 May 2005 07:18 GMT He seems a bit unusual compared to other
> peoples conures in that he does not seem to enjoy chewing on wood > *headscratch* The avian vet says there is nothing wrong with his beak. > It seems he would just rather fight with a bell toy than chew on any of > the wood toys I buy for him. I see a few nibbles on wood toys, but thats > about it. That's pretty normal. Wesley, my blackcapped conure doesn't chew wood either. Like your bird he likes to wrestle with his toys. His favorite toys are those small plastic balls sold as cat toys. He loves those, bashes them around the cage so much that his tail is usually messed up. I have to use ceramic dishes because he'll dump the plastic ones and play bowling ball so much that it litterally rattles the house. Pretty good for such a small bird!
Gloria
senn - 31 May 2005 09:53 GMT certainly sounds like a real character.
> He seems a bit unusual compared to other > > peoples conures in that he does not seem to enjoy chewing on wood [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Gloria
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