> "The bird may fly onto the stove or into a boiling pot of water.
> Birds can learn more quickly than us where danger is. A parrot can be
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> So how do you teach this to a bird? If they fly into a pot of boiling water
> they will die.
I'd bet more flightless pet birds are killed by being stepped on by
humans than fully flighted ones killed by flying into objects, including
fires and boiling water. Birds can feel heat and instinctively avoid
it just a human does.
kitekrazy - 14 Dec 2007 01:26 GMT
>> "The bird may fly onto the stove or into a boiling pot of water.
>> Birds can learn more quickly than us where danger is. A parrot can be
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> including
> fires and boiling water.
I highly doubt it.
Birds can feel heat and instinctively
> avoid
> it just a human does.
I had one that didn't.
Louis Boyd - 14 Dec 2007 01:43 GMT
>> Birds can feel heat and instinctively
>> avoid it just a human does.
>>
> I had one that didn't.
What happened? Was your bird a strong flyer or clipped?
kitekrazy - 15 Dec 2007 02:30 GMT
Louis Boyd <boyd@apt0.sao.arizona.edu> wrote in news:fjsn4e$aj2$1
@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
>>> Birds can feel heat and instinctively
>>> avoid it just a human does.
>>>
>> I had one that didn't.
>
> What happened? Was your bird a strong flyer or clipped?
I can't recall but I learned to never leave my birds out when the stove is
in use.
Starlight - 14 Dec 2007 03:01 GMT
>I'd bet more flightless pet birds are killed by being stepped on by
>humans than fully flighted ones killed by flying into objects, including
> fires and boiling water. Birds can feel heat and instinctively avoid
>it just a human does.
I definitely know of more birds that were stepped on than were boiled.
I know of quite a few that flew out an open door or window too.
Thankfully mine have quickly learned how to land on window perches
without crashing into the window, and none of them have been injured
by crashing into anything, even though they are all fully flighted.
I think my birds avoid the stove because of the reaction they got from
me the first time they flew too close to it while I was cooking. A
deranged human who is screaming and flailing her arms is enough to
traumatize them for life. Two of my present budgies decided to visit
me while I was standing at the stove...once. Although they sit on
their cage and watch me cook now, making little begging chirpsthey
don't come near me during that time.
Becky
Alan Williams - 14 Dec 2007 09:14 GMT
>> "The bird may fly onto the stove or into a boiling pot of water.
>> Birds can learn more quickly than us where danger is. A parrot can be
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> fires and boiling water. Birds can feel heat and instinctively avoid
> it just a human does.
I think birds are more likely to get injured or killed flying into
windows than into fires or boiling water. It's quite easy though to
teach them about windows. Even the one of mine that's (probably)
retarded understood windows very quickly. All I needed to do was take
them up close to the window and tap on it so they could "see" that it
wasn't open air.
I did get worried when two of them (who were clutchmates) invented a
game where they'd see how close they could fly full speed at the window
and then do a complete turn and come flying back. They also used to
come into land on me, then zoom off, turn round and land the other way
round, almost before I'd noticed. The aerial acrobatic ability of them
was amazing.
Alan
Louis Boyd - 14 Dec 2007 14:56 GMT
> I think birds are more likely to get injured or killed flying into
> windows than into fires or boiling water. It's quite easy though to
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>
> Alan
I was raised on a farm where doors were either solid wood or screens.
My mother took me with her shopping in a city when I was about four and
ran into a thick glass door. I hit hard enough to get a bloody nose.
It only took once for me to understand the concept of glass doors.
All my bird have been raised in rooms with windows and they were allowed
to sit in window sills where they could test the glass with their beaks.
None has ever flown into a window. During the same time a couple wild
birds who never had the opportunity to learn about glass killed
themselves on the same glass from the outside. Birds aren't stupid but
they do need experience to learn about their environment. If you have
flighted pet birds by all means let them feel the glass them for
themselves while sitting beside it.
It's also interesting to watch various birds placed near a large mirror
for the first time. My scarlet lunged at her own image a few times
then walked around the mirror to see if the other bird was behind the
glass. It took about an hour for her to realize the other bird was
herself. Ever since she just struts in front of the mirror admiring
her good looks. Most of the birds just ignore the reflection after a
brief initial territorial display which only happens once.
Joanne - 14 Dec 2007 16:33 GMT
> I think birds are more likely to get injured or killed flying into windows
> than into fires or boiling water. It's quite easy though to teach them
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>
> Alan
This post, Alan, reminds me of how darn cute the baby pyrrhuras are when
they begin to hover. They are like fat little bumble bees just trying quick
test flights right around my head. They amaze themselves.
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