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Thea Barbato - 19 Dec 2007 05:06 GMT
Coming out of lurkdom to probe your minds with some questions about changing
my parakeets' habitat!

I have 9 parakeets in a large cage in an upstairs bdrm right now.  I plan to
relocate them to our sunroom downstairs pretty soon and am seeking some
ideas of how to contain them safely so they don't go into the rest of the
house.  They are all unclipped and have free flight time daily - clipping
them is not an option.  I currently have beads hanging from the ceiling
which may keep them in their part of the sunroom (which is about 12x10, give
or take).  Is there another type of relatively inexpensive ceiling to floor
barrier I could use that would be safe and effective, and nondamaging to
walls/ceiling?   The sunroom does not have an interior door - it opens up
into the dining area with a pass-through window to the kitchen.  That's why
they need to be contained in their part of the room.  The beads stop about a
foot from the floor and while my expectation is that they will not be on the
ground much, if at all, there is still some concern that they could somehow
end up on the floor, hop under the beads and then be out.

Also, I'm looking for a good easy-to-make homemade playgym for budgies  it's
not vital, but would be nice.  I plan to hang swings from the ceiling and
possibly have real plants in the room for them as well (obviously safe
ones).  Would also love to have a small fountain of sorts for them to bathe
in but am not sure what would be safe in that regard.

If anyone has set up a parakeet room or has any ideas about the above, I
would love to hear them.  I have already done some online searches but
haven't seen what I have in mind.

Thanks greatly!
Thea
Starlight - 19 Dec 2007 07:28 GMT
>If anyone has set up a parakeet room or has any ideas about the above, I
>would love to hear them.  I have already done some online searches but
>haven't seen what I have in mind.

Our budgie birdroom is not elaborate.  I have 4 budgies at this time
in a room that is about 8 x 10.  We have 3 cages set up; a large one
they all sleep in at night; a medium one that they like to play in,
with lots of mirrors and perches; and a small one I call the old age
home for my oldest, more reserved English budgie who sometimes needs
to get away from the "kids".  That small cage is on the table in the
center of the room. My birds are free-flighted also.

There are 2 doorways in the room (without actual doors)...one leads to
the front living room and the other to the kitchen.  I leave the
kitchen doorway open most of the time  because my birds rarely leave
the bird room, yet the oldest one can fly onto my shoulder when I'm in
the kitchen or come join us at dinnertime.  However, I do have a lacy
curtain across the larger doorway, using a spring rod to hang it.  In
the kitchen doorway I also have a spring rod with a heavier curtain
that I keep open during the day, but close at night or if the birds
absolutely have to be contained.

We built a perch tree using a tall 4 x 4 anchored in a heavy pot.
There are 6 different sized perches at different levels, which we
insert into drilled out holes in the pole, with toys and mirror
perches attached.   We also have 4 window perches on the one window.

We don't have a fountain, but have 2 large baths hanging on the
outside of the cages.  We have a budgie playground but they rarely use
it. They prefer to run around on the table, sit on the window perches
or perch tree, or play on the manzanita perch I have anchored to the
top of the large cage.  They rarely sit on the swings.

I'm not sure about your bead wall.  My birds would fly through that
without giving it a second thought. If you really need to keep them in
that room, you'll need something long enough  to  cover the entire
doorway. Mine have snuck under the lace curtain a time or two, and the
other English who ends up on the floor quite often has somehow gotten
under the heavier curtain too.  

Sounds like a fun project.  Good luck!
Thea Barbato - 19 Dec 2007 15:14 GMT
>>If anyone has set up a parakeet room or has any ideas about the above, I
>>would love to hear them.  I have already done some online searches but
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> to get away from the "kids".  That small cage is on the table in the
> center of the room. My birds are free-flighted also.

Thanks for your tips - they sound good and I'll give them serious
consideration.  I, too, was concerned about the bead curtain not deterring
them.  Your idea sounds good too, but I want them to be visible through the
barrier and even lace would obscure them.  I could do very sheer panels, I
suppose but will need to investigate that.  Getting something to go from
ceiling to floor effectively might be challenging.

It would be nice to have a hanging (from ceiling) bird bath, but it would
need to be something that can easily be cleaned and refreshed, so an insert
bowl of some sort would be best.

Thanks again for your reply - I want to offer my keets a veritable budgie
play room where they're safe and the rest of my house/stuff is safe!!  Oh -
one other question - I have an old faux ficus tree - do you think it's safe
to keep it in the room with them?  If there is glue used in it, probably
not, as they may decide to chew.  Just wondering if anyone else has done
that sort of thing.

Thea
Dave Bugg - 19 Dec 2007 17:04 GMT
> .....  Is there another
> type of relatively inexpensive ceiling to floor barrier I could use
> that would be safe and effective, and nondamaging to walls/ceiling?

Any style of drapping material could be easily hung and provide a workable
barrier for your budgies.

> Also, I'm looking for a good easy-to-make homemade playgym for
> budgies  it's not vital, but would be nice.

I have made playgyms out of dowels. You can also bring in multi-branched
branches which have been anchored into cheap planters. If you use branches,
take the following steps:

-- Wash thoroughly with soap and water. The idea is to remove any
accumulations of dirt and pesticide residues. Use a green scrubby pad like
3-M makes. A good pressure washer will also be effective. I've even taken
large branches to the car wash for this first step.

-- Rinse well with clean water. Rinse several times. Allow to dry.

-- Use sandpaper or scrapers to remove all loose bark and scale.

-- Rinse with clean water. Allow to dry.

-- Spray the branch until dripping wet with a 10% solution of household
bleach. Allow to sit for 10 minutes.

-- Thoroughly rinse with clean water. Allow to dry. There will not be any
problem with residual bleach.

Here's a picture of one branch 'gym' that I use. It is from one of my fruit
trees.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=81yhzza&s=1

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Thea Barbato - 20 Dec 2007 03:34 GMT
>> .....  Is there another
>> type of relatively inexpensive ceiling to floor barrier I could use
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>
>Dave,
Thanks for sharing the info and photo. What kind of wood did you use for
your play gym?  We have access to woods at my in-laws' home but I certainly
want to be sure it's safe (and yes, I have a list of safe woods, but was
curious about yours?).

Also, the barrier that I want  for them needs to be see-through simply
because they are in half of a 12x24 sunroom and my Congo Grey is in the
other half.  I want to still be able hear and see the keets,but at the same
time, effectively keep them where they are.  I'm not so concerned about
their visiting the Grey - they are good fliers and can get away from him if
need be - I just don't want them to get into the rest of the house where
there's a vaulted ceiling and getting them back would be a challenge (wait
till dark and then get them would be the thing).  They're not afraid of me
or anything, but also not tame enough to come to me.  So, in short, I'm not
sure what type of draping material would fit the bill.  That's why beads
seemed to be a solution, but maybe not.

Thanks again and I welcome any other suggestions from anyone on the group!

T.
Dave Bugg - 20 Dec 2007 06:41 GMT
>>> .....  Is there another
>>> type of relatively inexpensive ceiling to floor barrier I could use
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> certainly want to be sure it's safe (and yes, I have a list of safe
> woods, but was curious about yours?).

Dowels are made from common domestic hardwoods and firs. There wouldn't be
an issue of safety.

> Also, the barrier that I want  for them needs to be see-through simply
> because they are in half of a 12x24 sunroom and my Congo Grey is in
> the other half.  I want to still be able hear and see the keets,but
> at the same time, effectively keep them where they are.

A clear, heavy-guage shower curtain will work. You can also go to a
restauraunt supply store and purchase clear plastic strip curtains, the kind
that are used for walk-in coolers.

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Thea Barbato - 20 Dec 2007 16:25 GMT
Thanks for the ideas - I thought the wood on the playgym in your photo
looked like it was taken from the outdoors directly - that's why I asked.
The plastic strip curtains may be a good option - someone else suggested
screen-like material that is like a flexible fabric, which can be hung, so
may look into that.

Again, thanks for suggestions - appreciate them all!

T.

>>>> .....  Is there another
>>>> type of relatively inexpensive ceiling to floor barrier I could use
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> restauraunt supply store and purchase clear plastic strip curtains, the
> kind that are used for walk-in coolers.
Dave Bugg - 20 Dec 2007 17:02 GMT
> Thanks for the ideas - I thought the wood on the playgym in your photo
> looked like it was taken from the outdoors directly - that's why I
> asked.

I see. As I had mentioned in my post it is a play tree branch which I pruned
off of one of my fruit trees. It isn't a playgym which I make out of wooden
dowels. I was just trying to point out that you don't need a 'gym' per se;
just any thing that budgies can perch and climb around on.

> The plastic strip curtains may be a good option - someone else
> suggested screen-like material that is like a flexible fabric, which
> can be hung, so may look into that.
>
> Again, thanks for suggestions - appreciate them all!

You're welcome.
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LindaA - 20 Dec 2007 23:04 GMT
> [snip]
> A clear, heavy-guage shower curtain will work. You can also go to a
> restauraunt supply store and purchase clear plastic strip curtains, the kind
> that are used for walk-in coolers.

~~~~~~~

Thea, it sounds like your budgies are going to have a great room once
you're finished.  

As far as a "door" goes, what I use in my birds' room is a wooden door
frame with top and bottom open spaces or inserts.  These open inserts
have a fine mesh screen over them so I can look into the room and see
the birds clearly.  I attached six small square magnets to the outside
door frame of the room.  On the back of the screen door, I also attached
magnets in the same locations as the other six magnets, so the door
snaps on and off easily.  This keeps the birds safely inside the room at
all times with no chance of escape.  The screen door is fairly
lightweight and I can easily remove it.  Most home-improvement or
hardware stores carry doors like the one I use for my birds' room.

A viynl see-through shower curtain is a good idea, too.  However, if you
prefer a fabric curtain of sorts, remember that lace is holey and if the
birds fly to it and attach themselves to the lace curtain, their toes or
toenails may get stuck in the small holes of the fabric and they may
injure their legs or feet trying to get free.  If you clip your budgies'
nails this might not prove to be a problem.  Also to deter birds from
perhaps escaping under the fabric curtain if they land on the floor, you
can sew weights into the bottom hem of the curtain to make the curtain
heavier and more escape-proof.

Anyway, I hope these ideas help.  Happy holidays to you and yours.
---
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Thea Barbato - 21 Dec 2007 15:43 GMT
Linda,
Thanks for the input - I was hoping to hear from you since I know you have
your own little flock.  Yes, the room should be bigger and nicer for them to
make it their own, so to speak instead of being in a bedroom upstairs.  I'm
looking forward to making it a safe, birdy haven for them!

The sunroom is 12x24 and there is no 'door' to speak of.  They will be
taking up half of the sunroom (my Congo Grey is in the other half) so I need
a safe, floor to ceiling barrier that will go 12' across making it a bit
challenging to find the right material with which to do it.  Shower
curtain(s) are not a feasible choice - we're thinking of hardware cloth or a
woven wire cloth that we pressure wash to remove the zinc and then put up
(it seems that they need to be scrubbed with vinegar first also to remove or
neutralize the zinc).  I'm an impatient sort so am seeking the best, safest,
and quickest manner to keep them in their part of the room, but have to
carefully consider all aspects of it - but I'm ready for it to be done!!

Quick question - do you use the dried grape vine wreaths that are found in
craft stores for your birds?  I've been told they're safe as long as they're
not varnished and I intend to use them as swings in the room.

BTW,. my budgies have been eating a veggie/grain mash diet and greens every
day, plus Volkmans (non-fortified) seed and seem to be doing very well.
I've found that Feeding Feathers yahoo group is invaluable in providing
healthy diet info for all birds!

Thea

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>> A clear, heavy-guage shower curtain will work. You can also go to a
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LindaA - 21 Dec 2007 23:57 GMT
> Linda,
> Thanks for the input - I was hoping to hear from you since I know you have
> your own little flock.

  Thea, the only drawback is that I have several species of birds
besides the budgies ... lovebirds, parrotlets, a quaker, and more
recently a Senegal parrot.  Once the lovebirds and quaker pass on (which
won't be for quite a while), I'll only keep budgies and parrotlets.  The
Senegal I expect to have for many years since he's still a youngster and
will be a year old at the end of February.  Most of my birds were
"rescues", so that's why I have a mixed aviary.  But to be very honest
with you, if I was starting all over, I wouldn't keep more than a couple
of species, as it makes it so much easier to house them and to have them
live peacefully with one another.  As you can imagine, I'm always
"policing" the room when one gang is out while the others are in their
cages.  It gets tiresome, to say the least, and I have to have eyes at
the back of my head at all times making sure no one lands on the wrong
cage or starts battling with someone bigger and stronger.    

  For the most part, I'm extremely careful with the birds, but just a
few weeks ago I had a terrible mishap in the birds' room.  My sweet
little spectacled parrotlet, Boo-Boo, flew on top of my quaker's cage
and the quaker grabbed his leg through the bars and broke my parrotlet's
leg.  I was (still am) in total shock and very upset about this.  
Boo-Boo's leg isn't healing as it should, and it appears that it might
be crooked for the rest of his life.  Still, in spite of this the little
guy manages very well to get around his cage, he eats well, plays with
his toys.  Still, I feel just horrible about this.  One option, as per
the avian vet, would be to break his leg again and reset it, but the
risks were too great ... paralysis or neurological damage.  To me, this
wasn't an option whatsoever.  So, as you can see from my own experience,
it's really so much easier and less worrisome to keep one type of bird.  
Stick with your budgies and you'll be very happy.

> Yes, the room should be bigger and nicer for them to
> make it their own, so to speak instead of being in a bedroom upstairs.  I'm
> looking forward to making it a safe, birdy haven for them!

  You're doing it the right way .... having them closer to your own
living quarters instead of an upstairs room.  My bird room is on the
same floor as our main living area, but it's closed off with the door
that I described in my earlier post.  I have quick access to them at all
times.

> The sunroom is 12x24 and there is no 'door' to speak of.  They will be
> taking up half of the sunroom (my Congo Grey is in the other half) so I need
> a safe, floor to ceiling barrier that will go 12' across making it a bit
> challenging to find the right material with which to do it.

  Twelve feet across is a very large opening.  I didn't realize that
you had that much space to block off with a door of sorts.  I'm hoping
someone can give you other ideas on how to go about doing this.

>Showercurtain(s) are not a feasible choice - we're thinking of hardware
>cloth or a
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> and quickest manner to keep them in their part of the room, but have to
> carefully consider all aspects of it - but I'm ready for it to be done!!

  This sounds like it might work.  Your best bet would be to scout the
hardware and home-improvement stores and see what they have that maybe
you could utilize.  Of course, you'd have to make sure that whatever
fabrics, or metals, or materials you use are free of toxic materials,
ie., that they're bird-safe in every way.

> Quick question - do you use the dried grape vine wreaths that are found in
> craft stores for your birds?  I've been told they're safe as long as they're
> not varnished and I intend to use them as swings in the room.

  I don't use grapevine wreaths, but I would think they're safe if not
coated with varnish.  I don't have any trees or plants (natural or
fabric) in my birds' room.  I just don't want to take the chance of any
of the birds chewing on something that could be poisonous or cause a
blockage.  Also, I'm not much of a 'plant person' to begin with (my cats
cured me of this), and because I have so many birds to care for, the
idea of looking after and maintaining plants is not something I'm really
interested in.  

  At my local pet store, they have wonderful rope toys that can be
suspended from the ceiling.  These come in all shapes and sizes (some in
the shape of huge cubes, etc.) and many of them have wooden beads
intertwined with the cotton ropes.  Perhaps you can consider a toy like
this but scaled to budgie size.  Budgies also love boings.  If you can
find these types of twisty hanging toys, I'd suggest you get a few of
them and attach them to your ceiling.  I'm sure your budgies would adore
swinging from them and flying from one to the other.  

> BTW,. my budgies have been eating a veggie/grain mash diet and greens every
> day, plus Volkmans (non-fortified) seed and seem to be doing very well.
> I've found that Feeding Feathers yahoo group is invaluable in providing
> healthy diet info for all birds!

  Yes, it's a very interesting and helpful newsgroup.  I keep on saying
that I'll start cooking/baking for my birds, but I haven't done this
yet.  You can also offer your budgies dried egg granules, oat groats,
and millet in addition to what you're feeding them now.

  Good luck with your lovely new home for the budgies.  I'm sure it's
going to be a wonderful space for your babies.

  Best wishes for a festive holiday season to you and yours.
  ---
  LindaA

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Townsend)
Thea Barbato - 22 Dec 2007 06:55 GMT
Thanks, Linda.  Actually, I do plan to stick with my budgies, but the Congo
Grey was here even before they were. He's hand raised and is essentially my
husband's bird (I gave it to him about four years or so ago).  The divider
in the sunroom should adequately separate both birds and when we're home,
the Congo is usually with us anyway, in the living room or upstairs in the
office area.  Also, should a keet inadvertently escape from its side of the
sunroom, they are very adept fliers and I suspect can easily get away from
the Congo if needed, since he's pretty lumbering.  Still, I'm not planning
on any other larger parrots - only the budgies and the Grey.

I'll probably look into the boings for parakeets, but my DH suspended an 18"
long natural branch swing in their upstairs room which will be transferred
downstairs along with the (large) grapevine wreath, another natural swing
and two round circles that actually came from a parrot's toy, which will be
used as swings too, so they will have plenty of swing opportunities, plus we
will probably create a natural wood play gym of sorts also to keep them
occupied.  I think they'll end up being so busy playing and swinging and
all, that they'll have no interest in trying to pursue an escape route!!  If
I get a pic done of their environs afterward, I'll send it to you.

I made some birdie bread for everyone just tonight, from the Feeding
Feathers group!  It's been on my list to do for weeks now, so I'm glad it's
finally done!!  Now, it's off to bed!

Thanks for the holiday greetings - I wish the same for you and your family
and the other 'regulars' in this group!

T.

>> Linda,
>> Thanks for the input - I was hoping to hear from you since I know you
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> understanding the necessary plan." (From: "Separate Lifetimes" by Irving
> Townsend)
 
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