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My parakeet's afraid of me

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Sparrow 13 - 25 Jan 2008 06:10 GMT
Thur 0124008  22.10
SF,CA,USA

We got Oliver from a good pet store in San Francisco several months
ago; he still looked pretty young. Ever since then I've been trying to
work with him to make him feel at home and tame him. I have had
budgies before and usually managed to have them finger tame, unafraid
and feeling friendly within a month or less by using the gradual
introduction method: getting them used to my hands and then getting
them to perch on my finger, taking them out and letting them try to
fly away before gravity and their clipped wing feathers brought them
to the floor, then getting them back onto my finger or a perch. This,
along with talking a blue streak to them and lots of millet treat
bribery, worked really well with the other two parakeets and two
cockateils I tamed.

Oliver, on the other hand, is still very leery of my hands at the best
of times. If I go up close to his cage and talk to him he looks very
nervous and gets on the highest perch in the cage and often turns his
back on me. He'll only take millet sprays from me once in a while and
won't get on
my finger or a perch I offer him without a whole lot of fuss and
flapping around the cage like hke thinks I'm going to geek him or
something.

And he won't hardly ever come out of his cage unless I practically
chase him out. Once he's out it takes a whole lot of coaxing on my
part to get him to perch on my finger or a perch, and this always
involves him taking off and trying his best to fly away and going all
over the apartment so I have to go after him and coax him onto the
finger or stick. All the while, I'm speaking to him very softly and
gently and patiently. He'll sit on the perch I've offered him but
usually he's fairly obviously looking for an opportunity to bolt (NB:
his wings ARE clipped of course, so he can't really take to the air
very well, but he can put the whole of our apartment between us very
quick) .

I've tried taking him into another room. While sometimes a change of
scenery appears to calm him down for a while it doesn't always. I've
also tried covering up his cage so he wouldn 't just fly back to it,
but he still doesn't want to hang around me or my partner. Bribes and
sweet talk and ignoring him for a little bit don't work; at the first
possible moment he will try to high tail it.

And he's frustratingly unpredictable --sometimes he will stay with me
for a while and seemingly enjoy having me talk to him (doing that
listen-close thing with his little head tilted so he's looking at me
with one eye very closely). Occasionally he even lets me nuzzle him
with my nose and face; he seems to enjoy this at times, to the extent
of bowing his little head so I can nose at his neck, but at others he
tries to dodge and acts scared or annoyed, and *never* lets me stroke
or scratch him with a finger.

What really maddens me is that twice (I remember these times very well
because they were so uncommon and made me think we might be having a
breakthrough) he's actually reached out and given my nose a
friendly-seeming little peck or poke with his beak. In between those
times however he has remained heartbreakingly skittish acting and
cage-stuck. I leave the door to his cage open a lot in the hopes that
he'll at least check out the outside world on his own but he doesn't
venture out on his own except under duress.

I've even, out of sheer desperation, tried the "drastic approach" a
few times and held him cupped in my hands for a while, talking gently
to him and letting him bite the heck out of me until he gets it that
I'm not going to do anything awful to him; this hasn't done our
relationship any good at all. The only times I've had any occasion to
be coercive with him at all were one time trimming his wings.

What can I do? I really want to make friends with Oliver, and I'm sure
he's smart enough to have figured out that I won't hurt him by now.
But he acts like I am the scariest, awfullest thing in the world or at
best a major annoyance in his life, and sometimes it makes me real
sad.

One last thing: he seems pretty happy in his cage most of the time,
for whatever that's worth: always chattering away in the morning after
he has his breakfast and singing along to the radio or CD player a lot
of the time. He has toys -- a ball, and a bell with beads hanging from
it -- but he never seems to play with them.

So does anyone have any suggestions or advice or bird-befriending
spells to give me?
Starlight - 25 Jan 2008 07:04 GMT
>won't get on
>my finger or a perch I offer him without a whole lot of fuss and
>flapping around the cage like hke thinks I'm going to geek him or
>something.

He knows you're going to "geek" him because you've done it.  He's been
in the safety of his cage and you've reached in and grabbed him out
like a big old mean predator.  

>And he won't hardly ever come out of his cage unless I practically
>chase him out.

Aww   Poor Oliver. :(   There's that mean old predator again.

>I've tried taking him into another room. While sometimes a change of
>scenery appears to calm him down for a while it doesn't always. I've
>also tried covering up his cage so he wouldn 't just fly back to it,

Oh my gosh..that really is terrible.  Honestly..it's his safe haven.

>And he's frustratingly unpredictable --sometimes he will stay with me
>for a while and seemingly enjoy having me talk to him (doing that
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>tries to dodge and acts scared or annoyed, and *never* lets me stroke
>or scratch him with a finger.

Oliver is setting his limits.  He wants to be friendly and he has a
lot of potential to be a great buddy.  But he can't trust you because
you reach into his safe haven and chase him around.  And you force him
into an unfamiliar environment and take away his home base.  Each bird
has its own personality and demeanor. Your forcing yourself on him
isn't going to endear you to him.  From my experience, because of your
unpredictable behaviour, it's going to take a long time for Oliver to
trust you, and as long as you are reaching into his cage and
tormenting him, he's not going to trust you.  It took a couple of my
budgies literally years to feel comfortable enough to give me kisses
through the bars of their cage.  Others were landing on me the first
day.

>What can I do? I really want to make friends with Oliver, and I'm sure
>he's smart enough to have figured out that I won't hurt him by now.
>But he acts like I am the scariest, awfullest thing in the world or at
>best a major annoyance in his life, and sometimes it makes me real
>sad.

He's smart enough to know that at any minute, you might reach in and
grab him or chase him around like the most scary predator in the
world.   He's smart enough (and has enough instinct) to know that he
can't trust you with his life.
If you can show him that you can be in the same room with him, that
you are willing to meet him on his terms, that you can be trusted,
that you provide food and treats and music and love, he'll come around
with very gentle encouragement (bringing food up to the front of his
cage to share with him, offering millet from your hand and slowly
moving your hand outside the cage while he sits on it, giving kisses
through the bars of his cage).  Oliver may not be like your other
birds; he may never be the cuddle bug you want.  But it sounds as
though he would like to be a friendly bird, if only you'd stop scaring
him.  
Becky
Sparrow 13 - 25 Jan 2008 09:17 GMT
>>won't get on
>>my finger or a perch I offer him without a whole lot of fuss and
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
>him.  
>Becky

Okay, fair enough...but how do I go about making friends other than
stopping doing what he doesn't like? Believe me, I've been trying all
the other less-coercive tactics I could think of.
Alan Williams - 25 Jan 2008 21:25 GMT
[snip]
> Okay, fair enough...but how do I go about making friends other than
> stopping doing what he doesn't like? Believe me, I've been trying all
> the other less-coercive tactics I could think of.

As Starlight said, you should stop mixing the "less-coercive tactics"
with being, from his point of view, really nasty.  To give an analogy,
imagine you knew a dog that most of the time was playful and loved being
stroked and petted.  But on occasions that dog turned round, bared its
teeth, snarled and tried to bite you.  Would you trust that dog?  You
are acting like that unpredictable dog towards Oliver.

It may help if you stop using "tactics" with Oliver and just start being
very nice to him.  Never do anything that makes him unhappy.  Don't put
your hands in his cage, don't prevent him from going "home" to his cage,
and never never grab him.  Have a break from trying to tame him and try
to make friends with him.

Alan
Dr. Strangemonde - 31 Jan 2008 09:14 GMT
Our beloved Yumi would practically climb into my mouth to get at
whatever I was eating, and would often take his afternoon nap perched
on the frames of my glasses, but he NEVER got into the "hand thing".

Out of our 3 current relatively friendly birds, only one, Lt.
Blueberry, will reluctantly accept occasional handling without raising
a ruckus (One exception came when a miscommunication led to them going
without food for most of a day; they all shoved right past my hand
that evening when I reached in to dump fresh seed in the bowl -- not
that I'm RECOMMENDING that in any way!!!)

 - Dr Strangemonde
r d - 08 Feb 2008 03:31 GMT
Some birds for what ever reason will never be the friend to you that you
want them to be.  I had finches who would eat seed out of my
outstretched hand and couldn't wait for me to fill a bathtub for them.
And I've had finches who wanted nothing to do with me except to have me
keep their water and seed dishes filled.

http://community.webtv.net/Dalesdomain/CatchMyFancy
Dave Bugg - 08 Feb 2008 19:53 GMT
> Some birds for what ever reason will never be the friend to you that
> you want them to be.  I had finches who would eat seed out of my
> outstretched hand and couldn't wait for me to fill a bathtub for them.
> And I've had finches who wanted nothing to do with me except to have
> me keep their water and seed dishes filled.

To whom or what are you responding?  You need to leave a bit of the text
from the message that you are replying to.

> http://community.webtv.net/Dalesdomain/CatchMyFancy

WebTV. <shaking head and rolling eyes>  That explains it.
r d - 12 Feb 2008 04:09 GMT
Shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it was a response
to Subject: Re: My parakeet's afraid of me since it's part of that
thread..

Obviously, the other computer users in the newsgroup got it.  Maybe one
has the time to help you with your comprehension skills.  

http://community.webtv.net/Dalesdomain/CatchMyFancy
Dave Bugg - 12 Feb 2008 04:42 GMT
> Shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it was a response
> to Subject: Re: My parakeet's afraid of me since it's part of that
> thread..
>
> Obviously, the other computer users in the newsgroup got it.  Maybe
> one has the time to help you with your comprehension skills.

Yup, typical WebTv tertiary syphillitic loser. Try not to allow your
chancres to ooze all over the floor.
writerm25@gmail.com - 01 Mar 2008 23:26 GMT
On Jan 25, 12:10 am, Sparrow 13 <sparrow...@SPAMLESScomcast.net>
wrote:
> Thur 0124008  22.10
> SF,CA,USA
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> So does anyone have any suggestions or advice or bird-befriending
> spells to give me?

no spells but one suggestion,

as you may know birds can pick on your hesitation or fear, try to calm
down. one more thing i have found that out of the cage time is vital
to your bond
 
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