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Kookoobura?

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Carl Brodbeck - 13 Feb 2008 15:11 GMT
I have been visiting the bird store accross the street now for over a year.
I spend about a half hour a week with a Kookoobura.
I've fallen. I love this bird.
I have been there for AM feedings - not a problem for me.

I am considering buying a aquarium/cage to see if I can live with 7
mice (thinking I'll buy 7 mice from the pet store down the street every
sunday).

My daughter (5) prefers the african grey parrot. I've been told it
makes a better family bird.

Any suggestions, caveats or concerns about Kookooburas as pets?

TIA
c
Dave Bugg - 13 Feb 2008 18:42 GMT
> I have been visiting the bird store accross the street now for over a
> year. I spend about a half hour a week with a Kookoobura.
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>
> Any suggestions, caveats or concerns about Kookooburas as pets?

Here are my concerns.

1. Birds are not pets for a 5 year old. Your daughter should not be left
alone to handle the bird; heck, she shouldn't be left alone with a bird,
period. Birds are NOT cuddly puppies, and 5 year olds tend to think of pets
as stuffed toys. African Greys (any parrot) and Kooks can seriously injure a
child.

So, here's a cople of questions: Will your daughter be content to simply
watch the bird and be content with just that?  Can you assure that your
daughter, or any pet that you already own, will not act in a manner that
will frighten the bird and make its life miserable.

Birds can be a wonderful instructional experience for a child, but a bird is
not a child's toy.

2. Can you provide a large enough aviary for flight? And no, the typical
cage in a pet store is not adequate for a Kook. Kooks require a LOT of space
in order to live a health life. If all you can do, or are willing to do, is
provide a cage, then don't get a Kook.

3. Kooks CAN make affectionate (in a birdy sort of way) pets IF they have
been pulled and handled at a very early age, AND if you can provide enough
social interaction. Buy a Kook, or a parrot, and you will need to provide a
good deal of DAILY attention.

4. Kooks and parrots can and do cause serious injuries. A Kooks beak is
meant for tearing and rendering flesh; a parrots beak is meant for scraping,
tearing, and extreme levels of crushing.

5. Kooks and parrots can and will be LOUD. In an enclosed structure -- like
a house or apartment -- the loudness is amplified even more. Kooks and
parrots have their own schedule and will be LOUD when they feel it is
appropriate to be LOUD. If you are not consistent with your socializing with
them, they will be LOUD. If you are not awake when they think you should be
awake, they will be LOUD. If they are bored, they will be LOUD. If they want
to talk to you, they will be LOUD. If they are frightened -- and anything
from the sound of running water to sombody's or something's shadow can
frighten them -- they will be LOUD. If they feel good, they will be LOUD. If
they are horny and wanting to mate, they will be LOUD. If they hate your
choice of feathers (clothes), they will be LOUD.

It is normal for parrots and Kooks to be loud. So, expect LOUDNESS
punctuated by periods of quiet.

6(a). Parrots and Kooks are messy. They fling food. They poo. They poo in
their water. They poo wherever they land. They poo on surfaces that it would
seem impossible for a bird to have poo'd on (now how did that poo get up
there?) Because they poo and fling and leave uneaten food everywhere, they
require daily clean up.

6(b). Parrots and Kooks are destructive. They think of it as play and
exercise and tension release. You think of it as "OH MY GOD, LOOK WHAT THEY
DID TO MY ANTIQUE CHAIR". To them chairs, desks, window trim, etc, as just
weird-shaped branches.

7. Kooks and parrots could care less that you want to take a 3 day weekend
away or go on that 10 day camping trip. They require the same level of care.

8. Kooks and parrots can become ill, and require veterinary care. And not
just ANY veterinary care, but care by vets who have been specially trained
in avian medicine. This care is generally expensive. Kooks and parrots also
need to be periodically seen just to be sure they are maintaining health.

7. You already know about the dietary needs of a Kook. These dietary needs
will remain the same; the Kook will never become a vegetarian. In addition,
both Kooks and parrots (who generally don't eat mice and road kill) will
have other nutritional needs to which you MUST pay attention.

8. Kooks and parrots are NOT disposable. They a social creatures who develop
attachments to their environment and their owners. They require committment.
They don't believe in divorce.

9. Kooks and parrots are smart and use their intelligence to evaluate their
pecking order in the environment. To them, you are worth challenging and
establishing dominance over. You know how important it is to be consistent
in training a child in proper behavior? Well, you will be taking on a
continually willful two-year old. You need to read up on and encourage their
healthy behavioral needs, and work at limiting their negative and
destructive tendencies.

10. Visiting a pet shop and visiting a bird that you enjoy, is similar to
visiting your grandchildren or nephew and niece: you get to enjoy the short
term interaction but get to leave them to the responsibility of others.

Just some things to consider.
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Starlight - 13 Feb 2008 23:52 GMT
>Here are my concerns.

>10. Visiting a pet shop and visiting a bird that you enjoy, is similar to
>visiting your grandchildren or nephew and niece: you get to enjoy the short
>term interaction but get to leave them to the responsibility of others.
>
>Just some things to consider.

That is a GREAT post, Dave.  :)
Becky
Dave Bugg - 14 Feb 2008 00:29 GMT
>> Here are my concerns.
>
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> That is a GREAT post, Dave.  :)
> Becky

Thanks, Becky.
toucanldy@aol.com - 14 Feb 2008 13:32 GMT
> > I have been visiting the bird store accross the street now for over a
> > year. I spend about a half hour a week with a Kookoobura.
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> --
> Davewww.davebbq.com

Well said, Dave! :>)

Regards
Dave Bugg - 14 Feb 2008 20:38 GMT
> Well said, Dave! :>)
>
> Regards

Why, thank you, Ma'am.  :-)

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Carl Brodbeck - 15 Feb 2008 15:20 GMT
Thanks for your time and the comprehensiveness of your reply.
Your contribution is most appreciated.

I've addressed most of your concerns in conversations with my fiancée,
my daughter and with bird shop employees.  The Kook is in a very small
cage now. NO room for flight. I have a large loft space - ceilings are
11.5' high - My fiancée is a sculptor and a "mount-maker" - we are
designing a custom aviary in and around our living/work space. Some of
it might be above our heads (which might be problematic to clean...).  
I work at home - so I'd spend a lot of time with the Kook. I would also
like it to fly about our home - any special considerations for the
bird? I can provide some damage control to our precious items and
collector furniture. I  have a cat. I'm aware of the dangers of cat and
bird co-habitation (among them: pasteurella multicocida). Does this
rule out any feline/avian interaction? The Kook is currently living
with 6 cats (33rd and Bird - Bruckner Blvd in the South Bonx).

What about trips? I have a large community of people in my building and
neighborhood who take care of each other's plants and pets when owners
are away. I'm not a dog owner, but I walk dogs almost weekly. I know
these dogs, and they trust me enough to obey my commands. This bird has
already met several of my friends, and will be around them every week.
Is it reasonable to think that the bird will be relatively unstressed
if I have a trusted friend visit every day during my vacations to feed,
clean and spend time around it?

I'm sorry about the syntopical nature of my post. Each question should
probably be a separate thread. But I am very interested in
Kook-specific responses. Does anyone out there have experience (current
or past) with Kookooburas? Can you point me towards Kook-centric sites
or literature?

Thanks again (Dave) for your generous post. Curious coincidence of BBQ
(more than a casual pastime of yours?): It seems Australians are
advised to not indulge/exploit Kooks apparent passion for barbie scraps
- warning that a diet void of requisite bones and other bits found in
whole animals can promote disease.

> Just some things to consider.
Dave Bugg - 15 Feb 2008 17:00 GMT
> Thanks for your time and the comprehensiveness of your reply.
> Your contribution is most appreciated.

You are welcome, Carl.

> I've addressed most of your concerns in conversations with my fiancée,
> my daughter and with bird shop employees.  The Kook is in a very small
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> also like it to fly about our home - any special considerations for
> the bird?

That sounds great!! Just look at things from the Kook's point-of-view. If
there is a weakness in your bird-proofing, it will find it.

> I can provide some damage control to our precious items and
> collector furniture. I  have a cat. I'm aware of the dangers of cat
> and bird co-habitation (among them: pasteurella multicocida). Does
> this rule out any feline/avian interaction?

Should interaction between polar bears and people be limited? Cats are a
predator, birds are prey. I would limit any interaction until the cat dies,
then it will serve as food for the Kook. <BEG>

> The Kook is currently
> living with 6 cats (33rd and Bird - Bruckner Blvd in the South Bonx).

I keep thinking about all the dog-maulings that occur between people and
their pet dogs. Never assume that a predator will not act on instinct. If it
were me, I would assume that the cat will always view the Kook as potential
view (and vice-versa), at a minimum, keep the two animals apart when you are
not present

> What about trips? I have a large community of people in my building
> and neighborhood who take care of each other's plants and pets when
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> relatively unstressed if I have a trusted friend visit every day
> during my vacations to feed, clean and spend time around it?

Sure. The best thing would be to have the Kook get to spend some time around
those friends from time-to-time prior to leaving the Kook in their care. I
would wait for a while until the Kook gets settled a bit before bringing a
friends around.

> I'm sorry about the syntopical nature of my post. Each question should
> probably be a separate thread.

Don't worry about it, this works just fine.

> But I am very interested in
> Kook-specific responses. Does anyone out there have experience
> (current or past) with Kookooburas? Can you point me towards
> Kook-centric sites or literature?

Kooks are not common in America. My experience came from time I spent in Oz
on several R&Rs during my tours of Vietnam with a couple of mates families.
I would do a Google and Yahoo search, then go from there.

Also, keep in mind that many times Kooks will take their hunks of meat up to
a branch and bash the snot out of it before eating. It will spray fragments
of meat around quite nicely.  :-)

> Thanks again (Dave) for your generous post. Curious coincidence of BBQ
> (more than a casual pastime of yours?): It seems Australians are
> advised to not indulge/exploit Kooks apparent passion for barbie
> scraps - warning that a diet void of requisite bones and other bits
> found in whole animals can promote disease.

I don't know about disease, but it sure could cause illness. After all,
Kooks don't cook in the wild  :-)

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