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Pet Forum / Birds / Birds / February 2004Moving with birds
I'll be moving to Florida (from Minnesota) soon and would love to pick your brains about moving the birds. I've got two smallish cages that I plan to strap in the car, with Mel & Mollie in one and MacDaddy in the other. Any suggestions, ideas, advise on making it a safe trip with minimal trauma that you can offer will be greatly appreciated! . Laurie - (finally fed up with winters in the frozen tundra!) > I'll be moving to Florida (from Minnesota) soon and would love to pick your > brains about moving the birds. *happy voodoo nekkid dance* >I've got two smallish cages that I plan to > strap in the car, with Mel & Mollie in one and MacDaddy in the other. Any > suggestions, ideas, advise on making it a safe trip with minimal trauma that > you can offer will be greatly appreciated! . The only issue we had with the birds, actually with Chilli, was car sickness. But it stopped once I placed her carrier facing forward.. so she could see the road ahead.. odd, uh? And I already told you.... Red Roof Inns rock when it comes to staying with pets. Not a deposit, no nothing. > Laurie - (finally fed up with winters in the frozen tundra!) Hmmm, I thought you were moving down to be closer to your dearest friend, SFB. LOL *ducks*  Signature~Marco~ "Shoot'er Wardell, Shoot'er in the head!" -Brother Boy ---------------------- chuck-underscore-marco-at-bellsouth-dot-net > *happy voodoo nekkid dance* OK...those will have to stop once I'm there dearie! LOL > And I already told you.... Red Roof Inns rock when it comes to staying with > pets. Not a deposit, no nothing. I have to call them...the directory they sent me said one pet. I'm traveling with 5!!! > Hmmm, I thought you were moving down to be closer to your dearest friend, > SFB. LOL > *ducks* No, I'm coming down there to slap you upside the head boy! Can't wait to see you guys again!!! Laurie > > *happy voodoo nekkid dance* > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I have to call them...the directory they sent me said one pet. I'm > traveling with 5!!! That's weird.... yeah, call them because we traveled with 4 birds and a cat (and Chuck) and never had any problems. > > Hmmm, I thought you were moving down to be closer to your dearest friend, > > SFB. LOL > > *ducks* > > No, I'm coming down there to slap you upside the head boy! Can't wait to > see you guys again!!! I know! Chuck says that you better know that we're going deep sea fishing when you get here. He found a place to charter a boat for a few hours (and then we can toss him overboard LOL). Hurry the hell up, blondie! SignatureMarco ~~~~ I have kleptomania. When it gets bad, I take something for it. > Laurie > > I have to call them...the directory they sent me said one pet. I'm > > traveling with 5!!! > > That's weird.... yeah, call them because we traveled with 4 birds and a cat > (and Chuck) and never had any problems. LOL Well, if they let all those animals in then I should be fine. > I know! Chuck says that you better know that we're going deep sea fishing > when you get here. He found a place to charter a boat for a few hours (and > then we can toss him overboard LOL). Dammit, I'm already having enough trouble waiting for everything to get done and outta here, and you two keep throwing in more excitement. PR, stalking the wild parrots, hot Latino men, and now deep-sea fishing. That's it! I'll be taking entire bottle of happy pills today, thank you very much. > Hurry the hell up, blondie! I'm trying, I'm trying! Blondie > I'll be moving to Florida (from Minnesota) soon and would love to > pick your brains about moving the birds. I've got two smallish cages [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Laurie - (finally fed up with winters in the frozen tundra!) Ah, that brings back memories. My parents gave me my first 'keet when I was six and we were living in NJ. Then Dad was transferred to California. They didn't want to take my bird away from me, so my mom, brothers and I flew to CA and Dad drove across the country with the bird in the cage on the floorboard. The cage was, as you say, secured against toppling over. I don't think he made any special adjustments for the seed and water cups; you might want to consider some small heavy crock-type containers, again, for the potential topple factor. The 'keet liked the radio, and Dad said having the bird in the car made that lonnnnng drive quite pleasant. Good luck on the move and the transporting! Jill HI Laurie, First let me say that I am soooo jealous. Flordia was our vacation spot when I was younger. I just moved my 8 birds across Canada (to a bloody freezing province from a warm one!), and they were put into a specially made crate and flew here in the belly of the plane. I was very scared that something would happen to them, afterall, it is ~15 hour flight, including the 3 stops and one change over. They all did fine, and surprised the hell out of me. I was on the same flight and made sure that they were checked on every time we stopped. The staff were wonderful! If my birds can make it flying in the belly of the plane, I'm sure your's will be fine in the car with you! I would suggest covering their cage so that they can't see the world whizzing by, maybe they won't get car sick. Gonna go wash the green off my face.......jealous...... > I'll be moving to Florida (from Minnesota) soon and would love to pick your > brains about moving the birds. I've got two smallish cages that I plan to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Laurie - (finally fed up with winters in the frozen tundra!) > HI Laurie, > > First let me say that I am soooo jealous. Flordia was our vacation spot > when I was younger. Well, there's always room for more!!! I just moved my 8 birds across Canada (to a bloody > freezing province from a warm one!), and they were put into a specially made > crate and flew here in the belly of the plane. I was very scared that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > world whizzing by, maybe they won't get car sick. Gonna go wash the green > off my face.......jealous...... LOL Sorry Nadeana. I'm not trying to make anyone jealous - that's just an added bonus ;^) Since I'm starting my life over, why not do it in the sub tropics??? Thanks for the advice. Laurie love to pick > your > > brains about moving the birds. I've got two smallish cages that I plan to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Laurie - (finally fed up with winters in the frozen tundra!) > > HI Laurie, > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Laurie I totally agree! Good luck with your move. Wish Canada had a sub-tropic area...... ;) > love to pick > > your [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > > > Laurie - (finally fed up with winters in the frozen tundra!) Laurie, We took a 10 week roadtrip with: 2 cockatiels (1 cage), a malamute/wolf mix and a cocker spaniel puppy. Aside from the cocker spaniel chowin' down on a pound of fresh jerky <burp!>, all went well. We started out by taking the birds on short rides. Quincy was already well-traveled (having done a road trip from Alaska to California, then a flight to Hawaii, then camping on the beach with us for 4 months)... Murph was about 7 months old, and a little less well-traveled. Most important: We were cautious about drafts. We ensured we had bottled, filtered water for everyone, and plenty of the birds' food (hard to buy the good stuff on the road). We fed them as usual, took them out to visit during pit stops (keeping their wings trimmed, of course) and ensured that they didn't get chilled. During this time (April), we camped out, in high elevations where it was between 32 and 40 at night. The van stayed warm; the birds were wrapped in a fleece blanket, wrapped in a wool-blend blanket. They stayed toasty warm (I kept tabs on them). I also ensured that I had a high power flash light, in case of night frights, and I kept the toys to a minimum inside the cage (swinging things get pretty scary to birds who are stressed). I put them on stress food about 3 weeks before we took off, got them good health check-ups, and throttle on~away we went! Also, be sure to very closely check your cages for anything "pokey" and carry along a good first-aid kit (keep flour for bleeding and GSE as a disinfectant with you). In spite of your best efforts, when brakes are applied quickly, it's easy for little birds to go sailing...and easy for them to get hurt. Be sure you have a way to strap your cage into the vehicle (just in case) and that the inside of your cage is safe. If you plan on traveling at night, you may want to bring a blanket that will block out light. And, you may want to ensure that your bird cage doors are secured with plastic ties or something...for those restaurant stops. We thoroughly enjoyed our trip~and will always remember those warm sunny days when the birds were sitting outside with us in the sun, just tweeeeeeeedling away. What a blast~wish I could do it again! ~Kimberlee : I'll be moving to Florida (from Minnesota) soon and would love to pick your : brains about moving the birds. I've got two smallish cages that I plan to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : : Laurie - (finally fed up with winters in the frozen tundra!) > Laurie, > We took a 10 week roadtrip with: 2 cockatiels (1 cage), a malamute/wolf mix [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > well-traveled (having done a road trip from Alaska to California, then a > flight to Hawaii, then camping on the beach with us for 4 months)... Kimberlee, was Quincy inside the airplane cabin on his flight? If so, which airline was this? We have an upcoming move from Calif. to Hawaii and we're trying to figure out the best way of getting our four "kids" from point A to point B. There's no way we're going to put them in an airplane cargo hold, so our options are to either take a chartered flight, a boat or find a commercial airline who allows pet birds in their cabins. Any info appreciated! Rick Hi, Rick, I believe it was United, Delta or Hawaiian (we've flown back and forth a few times). Most airlines allow birds on board, provided you have a recent health certificate and pay a few extra bucks. Some airlines only allow one pet in the cabin, so be sure to get your tickets early. You will have to have a health inspection once you get there, and then home-quarantine your birds for 30 days. Let me know how it goes. ~Kimberlee Do you know if your "kids" will be put in quarantine once in Hawaii, or do they just do that with dogs and cats? > > Laurie, > > We took a 10 week roadtrip with: 2 cockatiels (1 cage), a malamute/wolf mix [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Rick The info I've read agrees with Kimberlee's info -- pet birds imported into Hawaii are subject to a 30-day house quarantine (one's own house, not a government facility). There are a few other requirements as well: http://www.hawaiiag.org/hdoa/ai_ldc_import_birds.htm What we're confused about is how Hawaii differentiates between domestic and non-domestic birds. For example, our blackheaded caique is on their "prohibited species" list: http://www.hawaiiag.org/hdoa/adminrules/AR-71P.pdf But this list is for "non-domestic" animals. They define "domesticated" as "animals bred for the purpose of living near or about the habitations of humans" (see: http://www.hawaiiag.org/hdoa/pi_pq_animal.htm), which our caique definitely was/is. So at this point we're totally confused. Rick > Do you know if your "kids" will be put in quarantine once in Hawaii, or do > they just do that with dogs and cats? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > > Rick Sheesh! Talk about confusing. To *you* it's a domesticated bird...to that quarantine guy in Hawaii...he may not be. Your best bet is to contact the State of Hawaii, ask them, then document *everything* about your call; date/time/name of person you talked with/title, etc. Just in case. If there is an issue at least you have something to fall back on. Does your bird have a band? That was something they were interested in with my birds. Also, you may want to keep up-to-date on the whole bird flu thing. This was from another group: Avian Health Network, Inc. has now started a newsletter group for those who want to be up to date on all the new happening with AHN and the Stop PDD campaign. Hope you all will join the group so that you will get the newsletter delivered right to your inbox once a month. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoppddnews ~Kimberlee : The info I've read agrees with Kimberlee's info -- pet birds imported : into Hawaii are subject to a 30-day house quarantine (one's own [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] : > > : > > Rick > Sheesh! > Talk about confusing. To *you* it's a domesticated bird...to that > quarantine guy in Hawaii...he may not be. We sent an email to the HDOA asking our question, and the lady had to refer it to someone else in the department because even SHE was confused! We're still waiting for a final answer. > Your best bet is to contact the State of Hawaii, ask them, then document > *everything* about your call; date/time/name of person you talked > with/title, etc. Just in case. If there is an issue at least you have > something to fall back on. Does your bird have a band? That was something > they were interested in with my birds. The caique isn't banded, although he was when we bought him (closed band = not a wild-caught bird), and we had it removed. But if that's all it takes to get him into Hawaii we will definitely put another band on him. > Also, you may want to keep up-to-date on the whole bird flu thing. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > will get the newsletter delivered right to your inbox once a month. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoppddnews Thanks again. Rick > : The info I've read agrees with Kimberlee's info -- pet birds imported > : into Hawaii are subject to a 30-day house quarantine (one's own [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > : > > > : > > Rick Ok, here's the final word. "Please ensure that a suitable home on the mainland be found for your blackheaded caique prior to your relocation here." Gotta love it. Maybe we should give our children up for adoption, too. Rick ----------- Aloha, Your inquiry was referred to me by Janelle Saneishi, Information Officer to the Chairperson of the Board of Agriculture. Pursuant to Hawaii Administrative Rules, Chapter 4-71, the introduction into Hawaii of all non-domestic animals including your pet birds require a permit for import that is issued by the Plant Quarantine Branch. Presently, your cockatiels (Nymphicus hollandicus) and green-cheeked conure (Pyrrhura molinae) are allowed into the State under permit for the pet/resale trade. If you wish to bring the above mentioned birds to Hawaii, please complete the attached permit application. There is a $5.00 user fee (cashier's check or money order made out to the "Hawaii Department of Agriculture"), which needs to be included with your application for the processing and issuance of the permit. As for your blackheaded caique (Pionites melanocephala), this species is on the List of Prohibited Animals as found under HAR Section 4-71-6, which further states that, "No person shall introduce into Hawaii any animal from the list of prohibited animals." If you do decide to move to Hawaii, please ensure that a suitable home on the mainland be found for your blackheaded caique prior to your relocation here. For your information, "non-domestic animal" is defined under HAR Section 4-71-2 in part as, "means any animal, including..... birds,....other than.....domesticated races of chicken (Gallus gallus), domesticated races of turkeys (Meleagris gallopavo), domesticated races of pigeons (Columba domestica and Columba livia), domesticated races of muscovy ducks (Cairina moschata), domesticated races of greylag geese (Anser anser) and swan geese (Anser cygnoides)...... As used in this chapter, the term or word, "animal," shall mean "non-domestic animal"." I hope I have been able to address your concerns. If I can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me. Mahalo, Domingo Cravalho, Jr. Invertebrate and Aquatic Biota Specialist / Interim Land Vertebrates Specialist Hawaii Department of Agriculture Plant Quarantine Branch ----------- > > Sheesh! > > Talk about confusing. To *you* it's a domesticated bird...to that [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > : > > > > : > > Rick > Ok, here's the final word. "Please ensure that a suitable home on > the mainland be found for your blackheaded caique prior to your > relocation here." Ouch! I wonder why the caique's banned in Hawaii. Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo > > Ok, here's the final word. "Please ensure that a suitable home on > > the mainland be found for your blackheaded caique prior to your > > relocation here." > > Ouch! > I wonder why the caique's banned in Hawaii. Our question exactly. Their answer is copied below. Incredible that they prohibit caiques but allow cockatiels, who are also foragers and a far greater potential agricultural pest (they already are a major pest in Australia and elsewhere around the world). Rick ----- Aloha, Thank you for your prompt reply and thoughtful comments. The reason for this species as well as related species that are designated as prohibited from entry into the State of Hawaii is because of their ability to forage on a wide range of fruit crops, including corn. Hawaii, being an island state with a moderate climate and abundant tropical fruits and vegetables, would be a safe haven for this species where it could pose as an agricultural pest. Additionally, it could affect our natural resources by foraging on weed crops and spreading noxious weed seeds into undisturbed and pristine native forests. At this point in time, I am unaware of any legislation that are being proposed to lessen the restrictions on animal imports, however to the contrary, there are some proposals that may make importations even more stringent or stricter. I thank you in advance for your continued understanding. Mahalo, Domingo Cravalho, Jr. Invertebrate and Aquatic Biota Specialist / Interim Land Vertebrates Specialist Hawaii Department of Agriculture Plant Quarantine Branch >> > Ok, here's the final word. "Please ensure that a suitable home on >> > the mainland be found for your blackheaded caique prior to your [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > foragers and a far greater potential agricultural pest (they already > are a major pest in Australia and elsewhere around the world). I read their explanation... it's really odd... I mean, I understand the state wanting to protect it's natural resources, but it doesn't make sense they'll ban a caique and not a conure,you know, since most of the feral parrots out there are conures (and quakers). What are you guys going to do? :( Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo > >> > Ok, here's the final word. "Please ensure that a suitable home on > >> > the mainland be found for your blackheaded caique prior to your [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > parrots out there are conures (and quakers). > What are you guys going to do? :( We don't know at this point. We weren't planning on moving for another year or two, hopefully between now and then we can get caiques added to Hawaii's list of permitted birds. It really is ridiculous that caiques are banned, when other species who are known pests (such as tiels mentioned earlier, and also Sulphur-crested cockatoos in Western Australia) are not only allowed, you'll see them in Hawaii unclipped, and in some cases uncaged and unattended. Visit the Hilton Waikoloa on the Big Island for just one example. Rick > > I read their explanation... it's really odd... I mean, I understand the > > state wanting to protect it's natural resources, but it doesn't make sense [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Rick Well Rick, since I've wanted a Caique since the first time I saw one, I'd be more than happy to take care of yours while you're in Hawaii!!! ;^) Laurie - who's hoping you're planning a verrrrry long stay > > > I read their explanation... it's really odd... I mean, I understand the > > > state wanting to protect it's natural resources, but it doesn't make [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Laurie - who's hoping you're planning a verrrrry long stay Well to be honest, despite his charm I'm not all that attached to him (my own little darlin' is the green cheek conure). But it's a different story with my other half, who said we won't be moving to Hawaii at all if we can't take the caique with us. Oh well, I hear Florida is pretty nice too. Rick >> > > I read their explanation... it's really odd... I mean, I understand >> the [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Rick Funny, there's a migration of rec.pets.birds people moving to Florida. :) Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo > > Rick > > Funny, there's a migration of rec.pets.birds people moving to Florida. :) <getting passport photos taken, ordering travel cages for all the animals, booking a flight> Hang on Maaaarrrrrco, I'm on me way mate :0) >> > Rick >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > <getting passport photos taken, ordering travel cages for all the > animals, booking a flight> Hang on Maaaarrrrrco, I'm on me way mate :0) Booking a flight? You're gonna have to charter a whole fleet to bring all the critters. :) Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo > >> > Rick > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Booking a flight? You're gonna have to charter a whole fleet to bring all > the critters. :) Perhaps I should come by sea? I wonder if the navy have a spare boat going thataway?? Hmmm, all those lovely sailors uniforms <drools>. >> >> > Rick >> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Perhaps I should come by sea? I wonder if the navy have a spare boat > going thataway?? Hmmm, all those lovely sailors uniforms <drools>. <channeling Blanche Deveraux> Hmmm... in that case I should fly over and help you pack up the critters, and we can sail back together, 'cuz a single womyn should not be traveling alone with all those rugged, muscular, sweaty sailors in their tight uniforms that..... wait... what were we talking about?? </channeling Blanche Deveraux> Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo I'll tell ya' first-hand, I totally agree with the 'tiels! They're smart, foraging little dudes... Doesn't make a bit of sense. ~Kimberlee : > > Ok, here's the final word. "Please ensure that a suitable home on : > > the mainland be found for your blackheaded caique prior to your [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] : Hawaii Department of Agriculture : Plant Quarantine Branch You must be banging your head on the keyboard over this! How totally frustrating. But, that's government for ya'! ~Kimberlee : > Sheesh! : > Talk about confusing. To *you* it's a domesticated bird...to that [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] : > : > > : > : > > Rick > > Sheesh! > > Talk about confusing. To *you* it's a domesticated bird...to that [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > But if that's all it takes to get him into Hawaii we will definitely > put another band on him. You cannot close band an adult bird. Dear laurie.We moved with30odd assorted birds, cockatiels,mixed finches,rosellas kakorikies,doves etc,moved 600 miles in a van to Orkney isles Scotland,Birds in 5 cages12"X15"x30",best kept in the dark, covered with a cloth, best of luck with move, we have snow at moment, cheers > I'll be moving to Florida (from Minnesota) soon and would love to pick your > brains about moving the birds. I've got two smallish cages that I plan to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Laurie - (finally fed up with winters in the frozen tundra!) > Dear laurie.We moved with30odd assorted birds, cockatiels,mixed > finches,rosellas kakorikies,doves etc,moved 600 miles in a van to Orkney > isles Scotland,Birds in 5 cages12"X15"x30",best kept in the dark, covered > with a cloth, best of luck with move, we have snow at moment, cheers Thanks for the info. If you can move 30 birds, I'm sure I can cope with just three!!! Laurie |
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