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Deformed lovebird chicks. Whats happening here?

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drleedvm - 27 Apr 2004 14:46 GMT
Hi Dave, Heather et al:

I am a parrot breeder for over 15 years now and just pass along things
that have worked for me and breeders I work with.  Although I am a
member of the Avian Veterinarian association I am not a certified
"Avian Vet"  However, my experience has been that you are often better
off taking advice from experienced breeders than so called "Avian
Vets" who have never raised a baby parrot in their lives.  (When I was
learning the ropes Howard Voren was a big help to me and walked me
thru assisted hatches at 3:00 a.m. by phone, I have tried to pass that
along by sharing info with people asking for help.)

As for being a "cohort" to the completely nutzoid HY breeder that
makes me laugh til my sides ache.  Although that person does live in
my town I have not seen or spoken to it in over 10 years.......and do
not plan to in future so kindly stifle that false allegation.

As for deformed chicks I have found that over 50% of the time it is a
selenium deficiency and that they respond within a couple of days if
thats the problem.  I see little to lose by trying it as its totally
non toxic in the minute dose suggested.  The last time I used it was
on a whole clutch of Bourkes Keets which could not raise their heads.
Within 2 days they were running around eating normally.  The owner had
spent $800 on failed "Avian Vet" therapy prior to that and spent $2.00
on the selenium.   So take your pick folks......is it worth trying?
If not then spend your money on the "Avian Vets" they will be happy to
see you!!!!!  LOL

We sure miss Doug Cook on RPB as he had a way of dealing with folks
who look a gift horse in the mouth and make personal attacks on people
who are offering sound advice.  Sigh............

drlee
Steve - 27 Apr 2004 21:34 GMT
> We sure miss Doug Cook on RPB as he had a way of dealing with folks
> who look a gift horse in the mouth and make personal attacks on people
> who are offering sound advice.  Sigh............
>
> drlee

Who's "we"?  Who are you speaking for?

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drleedvm - 28 Apr 2004 20:18 GMT
Hi Steve:

I am speaking for those of us who have enjoyed the exchange of useful
information for many years on RPB from Doug Cook and many others who
were serious about parrot breeding and did not post nonsense and word
plays.  These people know who they are and probably no longer post
much as I don't.

Since you don't seem to have known Doug he was one of the few people I
knew who could sex 100 CAGs at an import station by sight alone and
almost never be wrong.  He published the method on a CAG newsletter we
were doing at the time.  Probably about 1998 as near as I can
remember.  Unfortunately Doug passed away last year and that was a
great loss.

RPB can be a place where serious parrot information is exchanged as it
has been at times in the past.

I am working on a presentation on Iron and Infection which I will post
on our web sites for the serious people in a week or so.  People who
are interested in keeping their birds healthy will be able to utilize
the information to their advantage.  From Dr. E. D. Weinberg's
research I leave you with a quote:

"Nearly all bacteria, fungi and protozoa require iron in order to
multiply in hosts (humans, animals, plants).  Hosts attempt to starve
pathogens of their iron."

The mentally alert can envision how this concept can be utilized in
nutritional husbandry of almost any animal.  Chlamydia
(Psitticosis)needs a lot of iron to maintain a strong infection so
maintaining ideal iron balance will help discourage that problem.

drlee

> Who's "we"?  Who are you speaking for?
Toucanldy - 28 Apr 2004 22:37 GMT
>From: drleedvm@mindspring.com  (drleedvm)

>I am working on a presentation on Iron and Infection which I will post
>on our web sites for the serious people in a week or so

You may have already read this article.
http://www.newhope.com/nutritionsciencenews/NSN_backs/Jun_00/iron.cfm

Regards
drleedvm - 29 Apr 2004 14:31 GMT
Hi Toucanldy:

Thanks, thats an excellent article and I had not seen it.  I had seen
some of its refs.  I am really glad to see them make the point that
IOD can be acquired via diet.....most vets seem to believe that its
unimportant because of its chronic nature. (It may take up to 4 years
to show up as clinical disease.) Lories seem to be the most
susceptible of the parrots which I think may be because of their very
high metabolism rate (takes a lot of energy to race around all day.)
which causes them to eat much more food than most parrots.

www.loryworld.com

gives more diet and disease info

and

www.macawworld.com

gives diet info for larger parrots.........

A pair of Orange phase dusky lories I have eats about the same amount
per day as a pair of scarlet macaws I have.  Since they weigh about
200 grams each as opposed to over 1,000 gms each  of the scarlets the
food vs body weight ratios are striking.  This results in the lories
taking in more than twice the amount of iron on a daily basis.  They
can handle this if the iron is bound in natural foods but run into
trouble with powders and pellets that have easily available ferrous
sulfate added.......(One HF formula we tested had 485 PPM of iron.)
For ref our standard fresh food diet would run about 45 PPM.  We also
give all parrots PD (Parrot Deli) which contains alfalfa powder.  This
contains a high % of tannin which slows iron absorbtion.

People can donate blood and drink green tea to keep iron in check.

drlee

toucanldy@aol.com (Toucanldy) wrote

> You may have already read this article.
> http://www.newhope.com/nutritionsciencenews/NSN_backs/Jun_00/iron.cfm
>
> Regards
Toucanldy - 29 Apr 2004 21:46 GMT
>From: drleedvm@mindspring.com  (drleedvm)

>A pair of Orange phase dusky lories I have eats about the same amount
>per day as a pair of scarlet macaws I have.  Since they weigh about
>200 grams each as opposed to over 1,000 gms each  of the scarlets the
>food vs body weight ratios are striking.  This results in the lories
>taking in more than twice the amount of iron on a daily basis.

I believe that some birds have evolved, in their natural environment, to use
iron more efficiently. In captivity, we have yet to duplicate the perfect diet.

Regards
 
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