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Pet Forum / Birds / Birds / June 2004Wing Clipping
What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 > What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 Lots of debate on this one for many moons. Biggest benefit IMHO: avoidance of ceiling fans. >What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 Not getting injured or lost. > What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 Thos ewho clip will tell you that it won't escape. However wing clipped birds *do* escape and if they do, they are unable to fly away from traffic or predators and have less chance of escaping alive to be recovered IMO. Wing clipping is convenient to people because the bird stays where it is put . However there are many people who like having happy flighted birds doing what nature designed them to do. I for one. It simply means that you have to make a real effort to make your home safe for your bird.It *is* possible to have flighted birds kept safe in your home. It simply means that some effort is required to keep them safe. > > What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 > Thos ewho clip will tell you that it won't escape. However wing clipped > birds *do* escape ... Very true. Last time I clipped my sun conure Soleil's wings (both of them), the bugger flew back to his cage from across the room where we were at the time. Was surprising because all the times before when I had clipped him, he was never able to fly until then. OTOH, both quakers I have now--both have fully flighted wings, but neither can fly. One had a wing injury & the other is the new quaker I inherited the other day...not sure why he can't fly, but it might have something to do with his plucking. John > . However there are many people who like having happy flighted birds doing > what nature designed them to do. Ah, yes. A bird flying around a 12'X15' living room dodging light fixtures, then gliding through a 3' wide door into the 10'X10' dining room and then around the corner and down the stairway to the laundry room. Just as nature intended. How they managed to avoid natures plan for so many millennia is a mystery.  SignatureSteve > > . However there are many people who like having happy flighted birds doing > > what nature designed them to do. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > intended. How they managed to avoid natures plan for so many millennia is a > mystery. Sounds like my place, except they have a 25 foot hallway to fly down and back. > > What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 > Thos ewho clip will tell you that it won't escape. However wing clipped [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > have flighted birds kept safe in your home. It simply means that some effort > is required to keep them safe. Ditto > > > What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 > > Thos ewho clip will tell you that it won't escape. However wing clipped [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ditto Hmm that is an excellent name for a parrot.If I ever get my greenwinged macaw, I might name him 'Ditto' lol. > > Ditto > > > Hmm that is an excellent name for a parrot.If I ever get my greenwinged > macaw, I might name him 'Ditto' lol. > > Hi Pam, hope you and your birds are well. Ray > > > Ditto > > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > hope you and your birds are well. > Ray All well here Ray. Hoping the same with you and Toni. :0) > > > > Ditto > > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Just got out of hospital, had my second disc removed and about 4 inches of my height!! I've been handrearing a Spreo starling, its father wouldnt feed it while the hen was incubating her second clutch. It's eating on its own and only getting 2 feeds a day from me. It's 2 nest mates are well weaned now and I'm waiting for the next round to hatch. Costing me £40 a week on live food! Mousebirds have laid again, 4 chicks from them so far and my wood doves are incubating 2 eggs. I havent given any of my parrots a nest box this year, too many on the market and nobody wants parent reared birds. Got my new Basset hound called Doug, he came from Scotland. Toni takes him for a walk every night, until I'm back on my feet then I'll take him too. Cant do much at the moment but at least I can type LOL. Take care Pam, Ray. > > All well here Ray. Hoping the same with you and Toni. :0) > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Take care Pam, > Ray. Heck if you have any more discs removed, you will be on a level with your Basset hound heehee. Not only parent reared birds hard to home at the moment but anything that isn't an african grey and there are plenty of those secondhand on the market now too. I personally think that the bird market is saturated in regards to parrots. I am very lucky inasmuch as I have the space to keep anything that I happen to allow to breed if I don't find homes to my high standards. Presently my lutino and green split ringnecks are on eggs again, but they lay clear eggs so I'm not too worried. My wfa is on 2 eggs and I have 2 eggs from her in the incubator which although fertile, don't seem to be progressing and I have a feeling that when she left the nest and allwed them to go cold, they died. Other than that, the timneh male is in and out of the nestbox but the female isn't interested and I haven't put nestboxes in with anything else. > > > > What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 > > > Thos ewho clip will tell you that it won't escape. However wing clipped [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Hmm that is an excellent name for a parrot.If I ever get my greenwinged > macaw, I might name him 'Ditto' lol. Yes it could, I have to remember that as well, we just named a new tiel, Lancer, Ditto would have fitted him. > What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 The first day(hour) I had my two sun conures, one of them flew into the TV screen and knocked himself out. I thought he had died. Since then my birds always have clipped wings. > > What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 > > The first day(hour) I had my two sun conures, one of them flew into the TV > screen and knocked himself out. I thought he had died. Since then my birds > always have clipped wings. And not one of my flighted birds has ever flown into anything.I am amazed that American birds seem to fly into things and be unable to avoid obstacles, yet here in UK and Europe where birds are *not* routinely clipped, this rarely happens. I wonder why this is. I wonder if, in the wild, trees are littered with little feathered bodies where they have flown crash into the tree trunk and killed themselves. > > > What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I wonder if, in the wild, trees are littered with little feathered bodies > where they have flown crash into the tree trunk and killed themselves. Perhaps it has to do with the driving on the wrong side of the road over there? :o) > > > > What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > :o) No no. *we* had roads before you did. Ergo, *we* drive on the correct side lol. ><(((*> And not one of my flighted birds has ever flown into anything.I am amazed ><(((*> that American birds seem to fly into things and be unable to avoid ><(((*> obstacles, yet here in UK and Europe where birds are *not* routinely ><(((*> clipped, this rarely happens. I wonder why this is. ><(((*> I wonder if, in the wild, trees are littered with little feathered bodies ><(((*> where they have flown crash into the tree trunk and killed themselves. Only over here in North America. ;))) Tara J. Ballance Montreal, Canada > > > What benefit does a bird get from having his wings clipped? Pepper1960 > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I wonder if, in the wild, trees are littered with little feathered bodies > where they have flown crash into the tree trunk and killed themselves. It can be difficult to see where your going when the sun is shining in your eyes. You UK people don't know much about sunhine. SignatureJames > It can be difficult to see where your going when the sun is shining in your > eyes. You UK people don't know much about sunhine. We don't? Shall I take some photos to prove you wrong again Jynxie? ><(((*> ><(((*> > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] ><(((*> > ><(((*> We don't? Shall I take some photos to prove you wrong again Jynxie? Don't bother, molly. It's so much fun to watch him saying asinine things like this. Kinda vindicates all the criticism I see in the media of the US school system. Tara J. Ballance Montreal, Canada > > It can be difficult to see where your going when the sun is shining in > your > > eyes. You UK people don't know much about sunhine. > > > We don't? Shall I take some photos to prove you wrong again Jynxie? That's right skank, the UK is known for being such a sunny place. > > > It can be difficult to see where your going when the sun is shining in > > your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That's right skank, the UK is known for being such a sunny place. Hmm so you prefer to believe what exactly rather than photographic evidence to the contrary of your silly twitterings?Why am I not surprised? I suppose you imagine that it rains every day and is always foggy here? I can't imagine why my region is one of the dryest in the country and the country in general often has droughts yearly. Wonder where all the rain goes to if not in the resevoirs? > > We don't? Shall I take some photos to prove you wrong again Jynxie? > > That's right skank, the UK is known for being such a sunny place. It really pees you off to be proved wrong yet again doesn't it jynxie? > > > We don't? Shall I take some photos to prove you wrong again Jynxie? > > > > That's right skank, the UK is known for being such a sunny place. > > > It really pees you off to be proved wrong yet again doesn't it jynxie? Actually no it doesn't. It happens so rarely that when it does occur, it's rather refreshing. I was merely having fun with the stereotypical weather of the UK and you got all those gray hairs on your big old c.nt in knots over it. Remember that the next time you want to lump all of us "yanks" together when speaking of how awful we are for whatever reason suits your needs at the moment. SignatureJames > > It really pees you off to be proved wrong yet again doesn't it jynxie? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I was merely having fun with the stereotypical weather of the UK and you got > all those gray hairs on your big old c.nt in knots over it. I do wish you had a different outlet for your sexual frustrations and obsession with me. Can you not find yourself a nice biy/girl friend to help you out? > Remember that > the next time you want to lump all of us "yanks" together when speaking of > how awful we are for whatever reason suits your needs at the moment. Not *all* yanks are awful, just some. <trying not to look pointedly at Jynx> > The first day(hour) I had my two sun conures, one of them flew into the TV > screen and knocked himself out. I thought he had died. Since then my birds > always have clipped wings. This is *exactly* the sort of thing I fear with my birds. I know that many people are strongly opposed to wing-clipping, and I can certainly understand their reasoning, but the problems associated with wing clips (when done properly) are quite insignificant when compared to what might happen if the bird flies into a hard object, a window, etc... For those who don't know, when clipping a bird's wings, it's *very* important to make sure the bird can still fly somewhat. I typically clip the first 3 to 5 primary flight feathers about 3/4 off. If the bird still flies easily, I clip one or two more feathers the same way. As long as the bird is able to fly well enough to avoid crashing, but not well enough to fly full-speed into a TV screen, you're OK. Also, the reason I take only 3/4 of the feather is to provide at least *some* support for new emerging blood feathers. It may or may not work as planned, but I've not had any problems yet. SignatureClaudia Engel (no emails please) Don't some breeders allow their birds to fly for a while, *then* clip their wings? I've heard that this helps them learn to balance and to (hopefully) have a controlled, safer, landing. ~Kimberlee > > The first day(hour) I had my two sun conures, one of them flew into the TV > > screen and knocked himself out. I thought he had died. Since then my birds [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > *some* support for new emerging blood feathers. It may or may not work > as planned, but I've not had any problems yet. > Don't some breeders allow their birds to fly for a while, *then* clip their > wings? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I breed birds of many species, there is no need to clip breeding birds wings at all and I never have. My birds are bred in spacious aviaries where they can fly. Do you think birds are bred indoors in pet type cages? I never clip wings and I never hand rear unless it is absolutely neccessary. Ray. www.BirdsUK.co.uk > Don't some breeders allow their birds to fly for a while, *then* clip their > wings? > I've heard that this helps them learn to balance and to (hopefully) have a > controlled, safer, landing. > ~Kimberlee Yes. They do need to build up the flight muscles and coordination, and it's best done when they're young. Also, the first clip of a young bird should be a "juvenile clip" (this is more or less what I *always* use) in which only 3/4 or so of the feather is cut. This allows them more ability to fly. I try to encourage my birds to fly a bit just to keep their muscles in shape. SignatureClaudia Engel (no emails please) Glad to hear that! We've always clipped our birds' wings, just enough to ensure a nice gentle glide downward. ~Kimberlee > > Don't some breeders allow their birds to fly for a while, *then* clip their > > wings? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > fly. I try to encourage my birds to fly a bit just to keep their muscles > in shape. > > Don't some breeders allow their birds to fly for a while, *then* clip their > > wings? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Yes. They do need to build up the flight muscles No, they don't, unless they are going to be allowed to remain flighted. Other than that you are just fooling yourself. SignatureJames >> > Don't some breeders allow their birds to fly for a while, *then* clip > their [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > No, they don't, unless they are going to be allowed to remain flighted. > Other than that you are just fooling yourself. I'm sorry, I must disagree. Read the data - it's out there. Exercise is important, balance and control are important. SignatureClaudia Engel (no emails please) > >> > Don't some breeders allow their birds to fly for a while, *then* clip > their [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I'm sorry, I must disagree. Read the data - it's out there. Exercise is > important, balance and control are important. I have a cockatiel, and I have tried clipping her wings, (which REALLY pisses her off!) and she can still fly. After clipping her wings (6 months ago) she has gotten aggressive and moody. She used to sit on me for hours and now she won't come out of her cage. I will even just hold the door open and she will chirp at me and talk and repeat things (she talks and is very vocally responsive) but she won't come out, and if I try to reach in even slowly, she gets upset and tries to bite me and then pants like she is very afraid. The odd thing is, through the bars of the cage she will seek my attention--I can come up to her and she will make kissy sounds and chirp for me to talk to her, but only if the bars are between us. In regards to exercise and keeping wings long, a bird rescue friend of mine has said that their needs in the wild are different than their needs in captivity. If you can provide an aviary for them to fly around in, thats good exercise and allows them to exercise their natural flight abilities. But a house is not their natural environment, and many birds will fly into windows and break their necks or land in places where they are dangerous. My aunt had a budgie that fell behind the refrigerator and got stuck in the coils on the back. So unfortunately my tiel is in her cage way more than I would like because she is such a good flier. She got out once and was 30 feet up in the neighbors tree. Its a good thing she allowed my husband to catch her with a pillow case of she would have been hawk or eagle food! I would like to build an aviary so that she could fly safely be be safe from predation. I think IMO, that is optimal. jem > I have a cockatiel, and I have tried clipping her wings, (which REALLY > pisses her off!) and she can still fly. After clipping her wings (6 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > she will make kissy sounds and chirp for me to talk to her, but only > if the bars are between us. Did you originally have a vet show you how to properly clip the wings? It's true that some birds don't take kindly to it, but the procedure I use to minimize the trauma to the bird is the same one every vet I've ever seen uses: a towel. Take the bird someplace they usually aren't allowed (bathroom, whatever), sit him down on the towel, and GENTLY wrap the towel up and around the bird's body. A little bit of wiggling and you can get his wings into the right position for trimming. Same thing works for trimming nails. The idea here is that the bird feels it's being held down by the *towel* and not by *you*. A couple things to remember: 1. Hold the bird the way you normally would restrain a bird - gently, and don't place any pressure on his chest! They can't breathe if you do that. 2. Try to use a towel that is the same colour as the bird (if possible). I cannot say for certain, but I've heard this gives the bird a more comfortable feeling. > In regards to exercise and keeping wings long, a bird rescue friend of > mine has said that their needs in the wild are different than their > needs in captivity. Very true. > natural flight abilities. But a house is not their natural > environment, and many birds will fly into windows and break their > necks or land in places where they are dangerous. Very true again. Whatever the case, it's good to clip the bird in such a way that he can still fly to some extent. It prevents accidents SignatureClaudia Engel (no emails please) aka: Engelchen |
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