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Pet Forum / Aquaria / Cichlids / October 2004new LFS not good.
Hi All, Please forgive the cross post. I thought it relevant to the cichlid group but more people are on misc... What do you think about this... I anticipated the grand opening of a new LFS in my tiny town. The other LFS is 20 miles away. So with a feeling of adventure, I went into the store yesterday. They have lots of snakes, 4 birds, several lizards. For a store that has the word "aquatics" in the name, I was surprised to see only one fish tank. It was a 30 or 40 gallon. I could not see through to the back of the tank because it was so cloudy. I went closer. It was a white milky cloudiness - the kind you get if you use pH-down. In this tank he had cichlids. He had rainbow cichlids, jack dempsys, green terrors, oscars, convicts, frontosas and fire mouths. The tank had blue gravel on the bottom, but nothing else except the heater, and an aqua clear filter. All the fire-mouths were dead. I noticed these cichlids were from different lakes and had different requirements. When I asked about the cloudy water and pointed out the 5 dead firemouths, the owner said, "Oh, it is just this ***** water" (name of town removed). I said I had several fish tanks that have no water cloudiness problems and that I live down the street. I asked if he used any products to change the pH in the water. He looked at the girl co-owner, but didn't say that he had. He said the firemouths died the day before and he thought they were sick from the breeder. I mentioned that the cichlids in the tank were from different lakes and "are you sure that is ok?" and he said, "a cichlid is a cichlid". The water in this town is perfect for most cichlids untreated. It has a pH a bit above 8 and is hard. Not sure why he used pH down. Then I asked him when he got the fish. Three days ago. And I asked if the tank was cycled and he looked at me like he didn't know what I was saying and said sure. I asked when the tank was set up and he said "at least a week ago". The girl-owner then said, that they planned on having three more tanks set up with fish by the end of the week. What should I do? These folks obviously have no fishkeeping knowledge beyond knowing that fish need water. I feel sorry for the fish - they are going to lose them all and that is saying something because they had at least 50 fish in there. Yes, 50 mixed cichlids in an uncycled 30 or 40 gallon tank without hiding places and dead fish that had set at least overnight. What would you do? -Jen > Hi All, > What would you do? > > -Jen Short answer, GET INVOLVED :) Offer your services to them on a part time basis to get them up and started. They probably won't be able to pay you but the odd tub of food or treatment would do. Once you are sure they can do it themselves leave them to it and only call in to make sure it stays that way. You will be their friend for life, maybe :) - Don`t Worry, Be Happy Sandy  SignatureE-Mail:- news@ftscotland.co.uk Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk Looking for a webhost? Try http://www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=2966019 >> Hi All, >> What would you do? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >only call in to make sure it stays that way. You will be their friend for >life, maybe :) best way to do it: write a letter. If you go in to the shop to do it they will be caught unawares and on the defensive which will almost certainly make them cross. A friendly letter offering your help and giving your experience is likely to get a better response... Signaturesophie > What would you do? If that store was in the UK I'd get the RSPCA round to do a complete inspection of the whole place. If they're clueless about the fish, they're going to be clueless about the rest of their animals. Nikki >> What would you do? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Nikki Unfortunately the RSPCA itself may not have that many clues about fish! An article from Aquarium Fishkeeping magazine says that as long as the inspector sees the fish gets food regularly and has enough space to swim around, that'll pass the grade. It's not surprising considering that you'd need to know about dissolved oxygen and wastes and relatively few people know their water chemistry. Seb LOL, I would have to say, this is pretty funny. Feel bad that they are going to waste all of their money on buying fish but eventually they will probably throw out the idea of keeping fish. I would almost ask the feller if you could be a part-owner and keep up the fish-side of the store or request discounts on stuff that you need in exchange for getting stuff setup for him. Sounds kind of harsh, but they are gonna go bankrupt with the fish mess if they aren't careful... Brian S. > Hi All, > Please forgive the cross post. I thought it relevant to the cichlid group [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > -Jen Please take a bit of advice, and "Walk Away" What ever you try and do, at the end of the day will be wrong. He will go broke, and when he does he will be looking at someone to blame for his stupidity. While I have no doubt that you want to do the right thing, Unfortunately, you can't communicate with a moron. If you go in there and tell him what he should be doing, He will brand you a crank. If you offer to help him and something else dies, It will be your fault, the attitude will be "It was OK before you did anything" At the moment he is buying stock, When he can't sell the stock, he will not buy any more, Would you buy Fish or anything else when there was dead stock still in the tank. Personnel if I see dirty tanks, never mind dead fish, I,m out of the place without a second look, and I don,t go back. But if you feel that strongly about it, Post his name and address here and on any forums you visit, That way you will be saving fish and he will go broke all the quicker. bassett > LOL, > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > > > -Jen | But if you feel that strongly about it, Post his name and address here and | on any forums you visit, That way you will be saving fish and he will go | broke all the quicker. | bassett Bad idea. He could sue for slander. This does happen. So if I write "Fred's Doe's Fish Shop" on the net, every Fred who owns a fish shop, be it tropical of fried can sue me...Don,t think so.. Have you any idea just how complex it is to sue someone for slander on the internet. Firstly you have to locate the ISP posting the "slander", world wide, then you will need to serve papers on every ISP that carried the slander, at exactly the same time, world wide. It's not just a matter of suing the writer, as the writer can't commit slander without someone conveying the slander.. But lets say that, "Fred" does all the above and more, and after 12 months work and a considerable amount of money, It finally gets to court, Fred then has to prove that , what was written was in fact slander, Did he in fact have dead fish in a tank, was his management crap, etc,etc. Some how I don't think it;s going to happen, Do you. Perhaps you could quote some cases where someone has sued for slander via the internet. bassett "Billy" <gordygord2003@yahoo.uknow> wrote in message Bad idea. He could sue for slander. This does happen > "bassett" <bassett@bassettskennell.com> wrote in message > | But if you feel that strongly about it, Post his name and address [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > | broke all the quicker. > | bassett "bassett" wrote... > So if I write "Fred's Doe's Fish Shop" on the net, every Fred who owns a > fish shop, be it tropical of fried can sue me...Don,t think so.. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Perhaps you could quote some cases where someone has sued for slander via > the internet. bored with your fish? > Perhaps you could quote some cases where someone has sued for slander via > the internet. http://www.send2press.com/PRnetwire/pr04_100502-petswarehouse.shtml. Look 10 posts below the OP in this thread. > | But if you feel that strongly about it, Post his name and address > here and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 10/8/2004 Yeah, that's why I didn't mention any names in my original post. I've seen the petswarehouse story. I think I have decided to walk away. I hate that the fish will die, but I thought about offering help and came up with the same idea as Brian S. Also, the rest of the store did not look well run. I could put something better together in a weekend. Then I thought about my impressions when I was talking to them. Nothing really against rednecks, but I cannot imagine wanting to hang out with these people. That would take more beer than is good for me (or the fish). So, sorry poor cichlids. -Jen |
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