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Bigger Cage for birds?

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Rene Lariviere - 24 Nov 2003 17:13 GMT
Hey everyone,

still havnt determined the sex of the birds yet but I have a stupid
question. Are tiels supposed to have bent feathers all the time? Could it be
I need a bigger cage so they dont bend them? Or are they not getting enough
of something in their diet? These are my first tiels and basically know
nothing except how to care for them "BASICS"

Beth
oldmolly - 24 Nov 2003 22:11 GMT
> Hey everyone,
>
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> of something in their diet? These are my first tiels and basically know
> nothing except how to care for them "BASICS"

The cage should be large enough for them to stand on a perch and open both
wings to flap without touching sides, or toys.Both birds should be able to
do this. Do you allow them time out of the cage also? What size *is* the
cage?It is hard to say whether it is large enough, if you don't tell  us
what size it  is? Bent feathers are not normal.
Rene Lariviere - 25 Nov 2003 16:57 GMT
The cage is 3 feet high and two feet wide Plenty of room for two I would
think. I have a toy attached to the side of the cage and one hanging from
above. I also have two perches one is high up and the other one is in front
of the food and water dishes.

> > Hey everyone,
> >
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> cage?It is hard to say whether it is large enough, if you don't tell  us
> what size it  is? Bent feathers are not normal.
Steve - 26 Nov 2003 17:33 GMT
> The cage is 3 feet high and two feet wide Plenty of room for two I would
> think. I have a toy attached to the side of the cage and one hanging from
> above. I also have two perches one is high up and the other one is in front
> of the food and water dishes.

Are your birds being punished?  Why so few perches? and let me guess - the
two that you have are basically 1/2 inch dowels that span the width of the
cage and they are what came with the cage.

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Steve
oldmolly - 26 Nov 2003 21:47 GMT
> > The cage is 3 feet high and two feet wide Plenty of room for two I would
> > think. I have a toy attached to the side of the cage and one hanging from
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> two that you have are basically 1/2 inch dowels that span the width of the
> cage and they are what came with the cage.

You are being unfair now Jynxie mate. She said they had 2 perches and *2*
toys aswell. Obviously the woman spoils her tiels. Or not.
Rene Lariviere - 26 Nov 2003 22:35 GMT
> > The cage is 3 feet high and two feet wide Plenty of room for two I would
> > think. I have a toy attached to the side of the cage and one hanging from
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>
> Steve ,
no my birds ain't being punished. Besides the time they sleep at night my
birds are in that same cage only or basically the time we are away from the
house as a safety ...the rest of the day they spend  outside the cage in
living room  playing around. and yes there's only 2 perches in the cage ...
I would like to  see how much time your or your's stay outside their cage in
a 24 hour period... think about before jumpin' in the curtains the way you
did . I joined this group hoping to get constructive  hints or help, not  to
be stumped on by someone assuming things before they even have a clue .
now enough of that bull you are forgiven for this time ... Have a happy
thanksgiving.
                                           Rene
Ear Rings - 27 Nov 2003 00:10 GMT
Sorry...   but all the nice people are afraid to post here without fear of
reprisal from the 3rd reich element here.

> > > The cage is 3 feet high and two feet wide Plenty of room for two I would
> > > think. I have a toy attached to the side of the cage and one hanging
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> thanksgiving.
>                                             Rene
Steve - 27 Nov 2003 19:54 GMT
> > Steve ,

That's Mister Jynx to you.

> no my birds ain't being punished. Besides the time they sleep at night my
> birds are in that same cage only or basically the time we are away from the
> house as a safety ...the rest of the day they spend  outside the cage in
> living room  playing around.

Does that make you a saint?

> and yes there's only 2 perches in the cage ...

Then why describe it as though it's a birdy Disney Land?

> I would like to  see how much time your or your's stay outside their cage in
> a 24 hour period...

Why?  What would you benefit from that information?

> think about before jumpin' in the curtains the way you
> did .

Think about what? you left that part out of your statement.

> I joined this group hoping to get constructive  hints or help,

So you're an optimist.

> not  to
> be stumped on by someone assuming things before they even have a clue .

So you got even more than you expected and it's all still free.

> now enough of that bull you are forgiven for this time

Why bother?

> ... Have a happy
> thanksgiving.

What's that?

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Steve
Big Mama Bird - 29 Nov 2003 00:32 GMT
> Hey everyone,
>
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>
> Beth

Beth,

  I haven't been here in some time -- own two 'tiels myself,
a ten-year-old and one half that age (boy and girl, though we
only found out for sure that the older lutino was a boy fairly
recently!)

  No need to put yourself down for asking a question! I assume
your birds are still fairly young? My own female which I got as
a young bird (probably about 6 months old) tended to be quite
"scraggly" when she was that young, and for quite a while, actu-
ally! It seemed as if she needed quite a bit of time to learn
how to preen herself! Occasionally, a feather on one of the birds
gets bent or broken, usually when flapping in the cage (which the
older one, cagebound for the most part before I got him, prefers
over coming out to fly around!) or coming in for a crash landing!
Generally, though, if you're concerned, a visit to an experienced
avian vet for a checkup would not be remiss!

  In addition to a mixture of fresh seeds (and many, including
my avian vet, say pellets), there are powdered meals that you can
sprinkle on your 'tiels' food (such as Harrison's Adult Lifetime
Mash). I'm not sure where you live, but here in Canada, we get a
prescription vitamin (only available from an avian vet) called
Vivi 13+ as well -- just a pinch on each bowl of food. If your
'tiels will eat fresh greens and fruits, that's all to the good,
and the vitamins probably less necessary! (Only my younger one will,
and then only tiny broccoli flowerets, pinches of lettuce leaf and
parsley, and when I think to get them, small alfalfa sprouts,
and nibbles of citrus fruits. I think that they have to have the
chance to develop the taste when they are still quite young.)

  Only recently did I find out about the new "rope perches", which
have a wire inside. You can bend and shape the perch inside the cage.
There are other interesting types, too -- the cacti perches, certain
natural branches like arbutus (it must be from a tree that has not
been sprayed, of course), and there's one made of an artifical mater-
ial that's supposed to be good -- I think we have one or two now,
but will have to check out what the material is called.

  When the birds are young, wooden and harder perches are okay, but
apparently, it's good to vary the sizes. You can add a swing or ladder
-- again, there are wooden ladders in different sizes, and rope lad-
ders, and plastic ladders, often with toys on them! Once your bird(s)
get older, like my ten-year-old, it's better to use soft perches, esp.
the rope ones, our avian vet says, because the birds' feet become more
sensitive -- my older bird actually developed a sore! Well, it's not
that surprising -- as I've aged, like my own mother, I'm developing
more and more sensitive feet, too, only the solution for humans is that
we have to have our feet treated/pampered, and wear better shoes and
soft insoles, eh?!

  You can have fun, choosing perches, ladders, and toys for your
bird(s)!
I have a hard time resisting buying toys when I go into a pet store!
Some-
times, though, as with little kids, the simplest may be the best, what
they most prefer -- my younger 'tiel has preferred a toy with one of
those chains like the ones for sink and bathtub plugs above all other
playthings (it's her "comfort toy"), and the older one prefers his two
bells, one of which (his "comfort toy") has pieces of leather and wood
strung above the bell!

  Enjoy setting up their cage, taking it slowly, trying out what
appeals
to you (and may appeal to them) and is affordable. You can even get
spec-
ials treated wooden beads that you can string yourself, with a mirror,
bells, whatever -- and try creating your own bird toys! ;-)

"Big Mama Bird"
Canada

P. S.    My partner and I have as well an aging budgie who's still pretty
    feisty, and two wonderful little conures! The latter pair are a
    South American bird that loves to play, is unendingly curious,
    chews up a lot of toys, ladders, and so on, and likes best of all
    all kinds of household and personal things that YOU, the human
    owner, are involved with!

    I've discovered my younger 'tiel has a preference for covered spaces,
    like closets, or a "tent" made from her blanket across a couple of
    cages, which she can explore! Mirrors leave both 'tiels cold, but
    apparently, some 'tiels like having a "mirror friend" as much as all
    budgies (in my experience) inevitably do! ;-)
 
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