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Pet Forum / Birds / Parrots / December 2003HELP!!! situation develpoing
Here is the Situaiton: When a friend of mine moved, he (and his wife) gave my wife thier two tiels (one Grey, one latino) and a large flight cage (4foot tall, 4 foot wide, 2 foot deep) The said the pair was about 8 yrs old or so. they claimed they had the grey as a female, and got the latino as a male, but turned out to be a female as they had both laid eggs. Both were quiet, keeping to themselves, and not hand fed. That was about 6 months ago. In that time we have never seen the latino lay. we have, however seen her run and sit on the grey's eggs. a couple of days ago, the grey died. The latino went into mourning. We went to the pet shop and bought a white-faced. not exactly a baby, but not near mature either. The story was that it was a hand-fed that had not been handled since the shop got the bird in, and had gone wild. The guy had no idea if it was male or female. The wild didn't bother us as the latino is wild. (although the white-faced is taming down again very nicely) and we figured that two females would live well together, or if he was male, they might breed, or at least would live okay together. We currantly have the white in a tiel cage next to the latino's large cage so they can get to know each other before putting them together. Here is the problem: The latino is now doing a thing where he bobbs his head up and down. My wife looked it up on the net and said it is a mating dance done by males. The white-faced also is looking to be a male as there is no banding under the tail or wings (niether does the latino) and his head is almost all white, and white racing stripes onthe wings. Wife said that is male (according to stuff found on the net) Also, since bringing home the white, both birds have started wolf-whistling and generally chirping and whistleing around louder than ever. The books we have say that two males should not be kept together as they will probably fight. you need to keep three or more to have them be okay. Without spending a couple hundred bucks for blood tests, does anyone have any suggestions? Or, will two males work okay anyway? Thanks In advance.... dave email: dallyn_spam at yahoo dot com please respond in this NG so others can share your wisdom as well! > Here is the Situaiton: When a friend of mine moved, he (and his wife) > gave my wife thier two tiels (one Grey, one latino) and a large flight [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > does anyone have any suggestions? Or, will two males work okay > anyway? For a start there is no such thing as a latino cockatiel. ITYM Lutino which is a colour. Did you have a necropsy done on the bird which died to find out *why* it died before bringing a new bird into the home? If your books say 2 males will fight, I suggest you toss the books and buy some more up to date. Also look online at some of the good cockatiel websites, and blood tests for sexing don't cost a lot at all. Where did you come up with the figure of several hundreds of dollars?? A book I can recommend is called 'cockatiels for dummies', which by the title, might have been written just for you. > For a start there is no such thing as a latino cockatiel. ITYM Lutino Yes.. sorry... spelling isn't my strong point..... email: dallyn_spam at yahoo dot com please respond in this NG so others can share your wisdom as well! >A book I can recommend is called 'cockatiels for dummies', which by the >title, might have been written just for you. How charming you are. Such a nice welcome to the board type of post. You were overbearing but not simply rude until your last sentence. I suppose that in light of your thinking, they also have a book out called "Cockatiels for Self-proclaimed Perfect People"? Give them a break, at least they READ a book. Not everyone was born knowing WHICH are the best books, nor were they born knowing which books are crap even when newly printed. Thank goodness there are other groups out there without people like yourself, ready to pounce on newbies who are trying to learn. I am sure he didn't realize that this was a cliche society where if you didn't know the answers, you didn't have the right to ask the questions. > >A book I can recommend is called 'cockatiels for dummies', which by the > >title, might have been written just for you. > > How charming you are. Such a nice welcome to the board type of post. You were > overbearing but not simply rude until your last sentence. Excuse me, but the post was not even directed at you. The book was indeed published for people such as the OP who know nothing about their cockatiels, not even that he has a Lutino coloured one, not a Latino coloured one.I recommend it to everyone in fact as it contains loads of really good info. > > >A book I can recommend is called 'cockatiels for dummies', which by the > > >title, might have been written just for you. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > not even that he has a Lutino coloured one, not a Latino coloured one.I > recommend it to everyone in fact as it contains loads of really good info. Forget trying with the old witch. She is the largest troll on this group. Use your killfilters and forget it! > >A book I can recommend is called 'cockatiels for dummies', which by the > >title, might have been written just for you. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > that this was a cliche society where if you didn't know the answers, you didn't > have the right to ask the questions. > >A book I can recommend is called 'cockatiels for dummies', which by the > >title, might have been written just for you. > How charming you are. Such a nice welcome to the board type of post. You were > overbearing but not simply rude until your last sentence. > > I suppose that in light of your thinking, they also have a book out called > "Cockatiels for Self-proclaimed Perfect People"? ...<blessedly snipped> Blah Blah Blah....There is a multitude of information out there that this person could have and still should look into. The 'dummies' books are very good. Ranging from Getting your realator's licence to cockatiels to learning C++ Suggesting it and comparing the title to the person is just making a point. I didn't find that offensive at all. I find the dummies books VERY popular and not at all insulting. Besides he typed LATINO like 6 times! (though it's been mentioned) a LATINO is a male HUMAN of hispanic decent. A LUTINO cockatiels is a bird with the darker color pigments in the feathers missing. You people are WAY too sensitive! Get over your selves. It's Christmas (or what ever holiday you made up to feel included). Josh "hispanic" is not a recognized word in the rest of the world. It was defined by the USanian government to satisfy the Latino USanians from being lumped into "other" on their census. Be very careful when talking to the rest of the world. Most if us do not speak USanish. > Besides he typed LATINO like 6 times! (though it's been mentioned) a > LATINO is a male HUMAN of hispanic decent. A LUTINO cockatiels is a bird [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Josh > "hispanic" is not a recognized word in the rest of the world. It was defined > by the USanian government to satisfy the Latino USanians from being lumped > into "other" on their census. > > Be very careful when talking to the rest of the world. Most if us do not > speak USanish. Bite me. That recognizable enough for you jerk? Josh "Blah Blah Blah....There is a multitude of information out there that this person could have and still should look into." "You people are WAY too sensitive! Get over your selves. It's Christmas (or what ever holiday you made up to feel included)." You just took one foot out and put both in....ROLMFAO > Bite me. That recognizable enough for you jerk? > > Josh Hi Dave, 2 males won't necessarily fight if kept together, if there's no hen around, and if there is sufficient food and other amenities, especially space. Any birds can fight if there isn't. I'm not really into sexing cockatiels (I called my hen "he" for years - lol!) so I won't comment on sexing lutinos. I will say, however, that you can order a simple test and have both of your birds sexed for WELL under $100 (probably less than half that, from what I've read). http://www.avianbiotech.com/ is one such source, I'm sure there are others. Once you find out for sure what you have, gender-wise, then you can figure out what to do with them :). I'm a little concerned that you don't know the cause of your original bird's death. Just for future reference, you may want to consider a necropsy if a flock member dies, especially before bringing in any new birds and potentially exposing them to disease. In addition, new birds can bring in disease, so a quarantine period (of at least 30 days, usually) is often recommended; you should check with your avian vet about specifics of disease control. Of course, in reality plenty of people don't do either and their flocks thrive...but I'd feel remiss if I didn't at least mention it. :) If nothing else, they sound lively - lol! And if they're both chirping and singing all day, that's a nice sign of a couple of content birdies :). I hope they're both males so you don't have to deal with breeding and eggie problems...but either way, I'm confident you and your wife will work it out. We all had to start somewhere, when I got my first cockatiel - indeed, he was my first bird - I made lots of mistakes and the information we had then we now know wasn't very accurate...but he'll be 24 in the spring, so I guess I didn't do too badly - lol. Anyway, my suggestion is to get them sexed first, if it's a major concern to you. Otherwise, as long as they seem happy together, don't sweat it. Best of luck and please keep us posted on how they do together ok?  Signatureowly http://www.ittybittybirdiebites.com - for seedjunkies and MORE! SPECIALS & NEWS FOR DECEMBER! (click on Special) +Seedjunkies Anon - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seedjunkies+ => Awesome bird toys and parts at www.chopperstoys.com ... ...and pick up some Itty Bitty Birdie Bites while you're there! <= > Here is the Situaiton: When a friend of mine moved, he (and his wife) > gave my wife thier two tiels (one Grey, one latino) and a large flight [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > please respond in this NG so others > can share your wisdom as well! > We all had to start somewhere, when I got my first cockatiel - indeed, he > was my first bird - I made lots of mistakes and the information we had then > we now know wasn't very accurate...but he'll be 24 in the spring, so I guess > I didn't do too badly - lol. As you've had your cockatiel for 24 years, I'm interested in how you've managed this impressive feat. {:O> Any tips? Thanking you in advance. Sue LOL, well when I was in college (Music Ed was my major) one of my professors told me that when she was young, she directed a children's choir at church. At their first performance she had them singing in 4-part harmony. Afterward, someone much more experienced that her told her, "But children that young can't sing in 4-part harmony, it's simply not possible at that age!" and never again could my professor get her choir to learn 4-part harmony. So, maybe it's something like that? :) Actually, he's always eaten seeds, never touched a pellet, occasionally will eat a treat stick or a millet spray or a potato chip; it's only the last couple of years that he's eaten anything that's healthy besides seeds, and is one of the main reasons I created the foods I now manufacture and sell. He's also been flighted almost his whole life so has had good natural exercise to keep his chest muscles and lungs in good shape. Until the last year or so he's been a graceful and excellent flyer, and for most of his life has had the "run of the house". He's a wonderful old guy and I will be devastated when his time finally comes. If there are any tips you can glean from my experience, you're welcome :). Signatureowly http://www.ittybittybirdiebites.com - for seedjunkies and MORE! SPECIALS & NEWS FOR DECEMBER! (click on Special) +Seedjunkies Anon - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seedjunkies+ => Awesome bird toys and parts at www.chopperstoys.com ... ...and pick up some Itty Bitty Birdie Bites while you're there! <= > As you've had your cockatiel for 24 years, I'm interested in how you've > managed this impressive feat. {:O> > > Any tips? > > Thanking you in advance. |
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