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Cockatiels Cockatiel Egg cracking breeding?!?!

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Lawrence L. - 25 Feb 2004 06:11 GMT
Hi.
I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year
old. One night I noticed an egg on the bottom of the cage, great. So I
inserted a breeding box in a corner of the cage. The next day or so, I
checked back in and the egg has been cracked (not naturally, but I
assume by one of the cockatiels). Within about 48 hours, another egg
has been laid. After that egg has been laid that egg was cracked as
well! Ok, i'm getting upset here. Why do these cockatiels keep
cracking their eggs??!!
The next egg, the third egg, that gets laid I will remove it from the
cage.

Someone, anyone, tell me what am I doing wrong…or why are the birds
cracking/breaking the eggs??
Digital-Kitty - 25 Feb 2004 06:59 GMT
Either the bird is not getting enough calcium making the egg too
fragile, or I would suspect alot of playing going on in the cage.
They can get quite active sometimes and end up breaking the eggs or
its even likely that one of the other tiels mistake the eggs for fun
toys.  One wanna-be mother cant sit there and protect her eggs 24/7
and unless one of the other two are a mate, neither one of them are
gunna care about the wellbeing of the eggs.  Not to mention the cage
floors arent that soft either.

Only thing I can suggest are giving a cuddlebone/mineral block if she
doesnt already have one, and moving her to her own cage along with her
mate if she has one.  Sometimes you can move their eggs inside the box
where theyre safer and theyll take care of them there.

>Hi.
>I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year
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>Someone, anyone, tell me what am I doing wrong…or why are the birds
>cracking/breaking the eggs??
THE Old Man - 25 Feb 2004 07:07 GMT
>Hi.
>I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Someone, anyone, tell me what am I doing wrong…or why are the birds
>cracking/breaking the eggs??

Little OT humor:

Little Bobby, 5 years old, goes into the house and tells his mother
that he and Susie, also 5, are going to get married.  Mom decides to
talk with him and not make fun of his declaration.

She says "Well, Bobby Susie is a nice girl but when you get married
you have to have a place to live".  Bobby tells her they have talked
about it and have solved that problem.  One week they will live in his
room and the next they will live in her room.

Mom then says: "I see.  But you have to have a job so you will have
money for food and things."  Bobby was prepared and said they would
eat with his parents one week and with hers the next.  Plus they would
still be getting their 25 cents allowance.

Hmmm.  Mom then says " you know there are more things to think of than
just a place to live and food.  What about babies?"  

Bobby says:  "We have that figured out too.  When Susie lays an egg
we'll crack it".
geoff watts - 25 Feb 2004 07:33 GMT
With all the birds being so young they are probably not ready to be
breeding yet. Are 2 of the birds bonded at all or have you seen them mating?
If so then leave those 2 in the cage with the box and put the other one in
another cage. The 3rd bird could be playing with t he egg and breaking it.
Sharp claws will also break eggs if the parents are a little rough.
Don't remove the third egg from the cage as if you keep removing them the
hen will keep laying them. If she won't go in the box to lay them put it in
a bowl with some pine shavings for bedding exactly where she laid the egg.
When she has enough eggs she will sit on them and then after she tires of
sitting on them...can take 3 weeks....then remove them if not hatched. You
will still need to work out which male ...if any....is her mate and remove
those birds that aren't. If neither bird shows any interest you may need to
remove both and leave her to her own devices. Give the birds plenty of seed
and fresh fruit and veges and a cuttlebone as well. That will help the hen
while she is laying....and at all times to be honest. Hope this helps a
little. Please let us know how it turns out. By the way they normally have
clutches of 3-7 eggs ,each egg being laid on alternate days.
Jo-Anne

> Hi.
> I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year
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> Someone, anyone, tell me what am I doing wrong.or why are the birds
> cracking/breaking the eggs??
Marco - 25 Feb 2004 12:33 GMT
> Hi.
> I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Someone, anyone, tell me what am I doing wrong…or why are the birds
> cracking/breaking the eggs??

Lawrence, since you didn't give any background info, I just have to ask a
few questions...
Do you have any experience breeding cockatiels? If they manage to hatch a
chick, and they abandon it, do you know how to handfeed the baby? With
this young hen laying eggs, do you know what are the signs of egg binding?
Are you providing enough nutritional support for the hen that's laying?

why are they cracking the eggs? Could be many reasons: improper breeding
set up, calcium deficient diet, bad parenting, young birds who don't know
what they're doing.

What would I do if I were you? I'd remove the nestbox, make sure the hen
is getting enough calcium in her diet, cut down the daylight hours to
prevent any more egg laying, if she lays anymore eggs just leave them
there, removing them will only cause the hen to lay some more, cut down on
their rich diet to bring the hen off breeding condition.
These birds are too young to be bred... if you are serious about breeding
them, give them about 6 more months to mature. And in the meantime read,
read, read as much as you can, talk/visit other breeders, try to learn how
to handfeed, etc.

One last question... what are the sexes of the birds? We know at least ONE
is a hen... what are the other two? males? females? unknown?

Here are some links you might want to check out:

http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww60e.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww61e.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww62e.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww63e.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww64e.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww65e.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww66e.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww67e.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww68e.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww69e.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww61ev.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww68eiv.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww69eiv.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww59eiii.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww22eiv.htm

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NaDeana - 26 Feb 2004 23:57 GMT
Yeah, what he said!

> > Hi.
> > I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year
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> http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww59eiii.htm
> http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww22eiv.htm
oldmolly - 25 Feb 2004 14:31 GMT
> Hi.
> I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year
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>
> Someone, anyone, tell me what am I doing wrong…

You are trying to breed cockatiels even though you have not the
foggiest clue how to go about it properly. Too many birds in a cage,
birds too young to breed. Do some research before inflicting you desires
to produce more cockatiels than there are good homes for.
Ray - 25 Feb 2004 16:30 GMT
>  You are trying to breed cockatiels even though you have not the
> foggiest clue how to go about it properly. Too many birds in a cage,
> birds too young to breed. Do some research before inflicting you desires
> to produce more cockatiels than there are good homes for.

The majority of cockatiels bred arent for the pet trade. They are bred for the pleasure of having
them flying around an aviary like I do. And the exhibition side of cockatiel breeding has really
taken off in the UK in the last few years. There are many more parent reared birds than handreared
and most are sold or exchanged with other breeders as breeding stock.
Ray
oldmolly - 25 Feb 2004 21:07 GMT
> >  You are trying to breed cockatiels even though you have not the
> > foggiest clue how to go about it properly. Too many birds in a cage,
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> and most are sold or exchanged with other breeders as breeding stock.
> Ray

Ray I am the recipient of many tiels every year. I get offered more than
I can possibly take. Only a couple of weeks ago took in 2 lovely ones,
bought from a garden centre, hand reared, only had them a week before
deciding that they made too much noise/mess and brought them to me.
I am afraid that I believe that  more tiels are hand reared, than
responsible homes exist. Not just here in UK but all over the world as
they breed so freely.
I get offered whole aviaries of cockatiels every year from people who
bought a couple which bred and bred and bred. I manage to place most but
it is getting more difficult every year and I am about to build a new
huge aviary *just* for all the unwanted cockatiels I get offered :0(
Ray - 26 Feb 2004 00:13 GMT
> Ray I am the recipient of many tiels every year. I get offered more than
> I can possibly take. Only a couple of weeks ago took in 2 lovely ones,
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> it is getting more difficult every year and I am about to build a new
> huge aviary *just* for all the unwanted cockatiels I get offered :0(

I agree with you about handreared birds, too many birds than there are homes. Garden centres are one
of the worst places to buy birds, they give very little advice as they are only trying to make
money.
Ray
Lawrence L. - 27 Feb 2004 20:01 GMT
> > Ray I am the recipient of many tiels every year. I get offered more than
> > I can possibly take. Only a couple of weeks ago took in 2 lovely ones,
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> money.
> Ray

Hi.
Lawrence L. here again.
I have 2 grey females, and a yellow male. It appears my hen has only a
2 egg clutch...if that's even possible. Based on what I know, egg laid
every 48 hours, it's been 5 days now...and no sign of the 3'rd egg. My
birds are weird. Oh, well. If the egg breeding thing don't work out,
i'm ok with it. i'm content with taking care of 3 cockatiels. their
diets are complete and fresh. my cage size is the typical breeding
cage, that's about a rectangle size. i'd roughly say 2 feet wide, by
17" by 17"
i'm still a bit concerned about why the hen's 2 egg clutch eggs both
were cracked by the other tiels. isn't it unusual that there's only 2
eggs?
Ray - 28 Feb 2004 02:10 GMT
> Hi.
> Lawrence L. here again.
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> were cracked by the other tiels. isn't it unusual that there's only 2
> eggs?

My typical breeding aviary is 6ft long 4ft wide and 6ft high. I breed outside though.
Ray
Mark Wilson - 28 Feb 2004 02:16 GMT
Hey what you do in your own time is none of our business ;-)

lol j/k :-)

> I breed outside though.
Laurie (again) - 28 Feb 2004 02:57 GMT
Isn't that against the law in the UK?

> Hey what you do in your own time is none of our business ;-)
>
> lol j/k :-)
>
> > I breed outside though.
Mark Wilson - 28 Feb 2004 05:19 GMT
Probably ;-)

> Isn't that against the law in the UK?
>
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> >
> > > I breed outside though.
Ray - 28 Feb 2004 16:37 GMT
Only if you get caught!!!
.

> Isn't that against the law in the UK?
>
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> >
> > > I breed outside though.
Ray - 28 Feb 2004 16:37 GMT
Nothing to worry about at this time of year. Its too damn cold Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Ray
.
> Hey what you do in your own time is none of our business ;-)
>
> lol j/k :-)
>
> > I breed outside though.
Pizza Girl - 28 Feb 2004 17:19 GMT
That makes all the more exciting Randy....oops! Ray

LOL
> Nothing to worry about at this time of year. Its too damn cold Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
> Ray
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> >
> > > I breed outside though.
Digital_Cowboy - 26 Feb 2004 20:10 GMT
| > Hi.
| > I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year
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| birds too young to breed. Do some research before inflicting you desires
| to produce more cockatiels than there are good homes for.

Way to go Pam, start out by attacking the person who is asking for advice,
instead of trying to help.  You haven't changed a bit, I see.

I saw no indication that Lawrence L. was TRYING to breed his 'tiels, just that
he discovered an egg had been laid, and that that prompted him to add a nestbox
in the hopes that it might help protect any future eggs.

Why is it that you almost always attack a person seeking advice from the get
go???

How do you know that he has "too many" birds in a cage he did not give the size
of the cage.  Again you've "assumed" that he was attempting to breed them,
rather then that maybe THEY were "exploring" their world and gave in to the urge
to mate/breed.  Is that NOT possible???   I mean look at all of the children
around the world who play "doctor" in their early teens. . .

Using your "assumption" that because he had three birds together and that at
least one that we know of is a female one could presume that when we put
children in a co-ed situation that we are trying to get them to "mate/breed. .
."  Again Pam why is it that you have to attack someone instead of trying to
help them?

DC
Pizza Girl - 28 Feb 2004 22:28 GMT
OldMolly is a dangerous person. Sometimes her knowledge is good and
sometimes it is way off. This makes her very dangerous, when supported by
her flock, to newbies.

She is partially insane and newbies ned to know this.

Take the information for what it is worth.

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Marco - 28 Feb 2004 22:44 GMT
> OldMolly is a dangerous person.

That's rich! This coming from a dimwit who spins her birds around on the
ceiling fans, and said that if they ever get hurt it'll be 'cuz they're
stupid.

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Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry
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Mark Wilson - 28 Feb 2004 23:27 GMT
> OldMolly is a dangerous person.

I'm sorry - didn't you say you spin your birds around on ceiling fans? You
think *that* is safe?

> <snipped>....makes her very dangerous, when supported by her flock, to
newbies.

Oh will you give up on the flock thing? It's getting boring.

> She is partially insane and newbies ned to know this.

It appears *you* are the insane one around here, girl.
Ray - 29 Feb 2004 16:42 GMT
Pam is dangerous, I've met her!!
She is dangerous to people who mistreat birds and animals and devotes her life to caring for them.
Ray
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> > OldMolly is a dangerous person.
>
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>
> It appears *you* are the insane one around here, girl.
 
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