Cockatiels Cockatiel Egg cracking breeding?!?!
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Lawrence L. - 25 Feb 2004 06:11 GMT Hi. I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year old. One night I noticed an egg on the bottom of the cage, great. So I inserted a breeding box in a corner of the cage. The next day or so, I checked back in and the egg has been cracked (not naturally, but I assume by one of the cockatiels). Within about 48 hours, another egg has been laid. After that egg has been laid that egg was cracked as well! Ok, i'm getting upset here. Why do these cockatiels keep cracking their eggs??!! The next egg, the third egg, that gets laid I will remove it from the cage.
Someone, anyone, tell me what am I doing wrong
or why are the birds cracking/breaking the eggs??
Digital-Kitty - 25 Feb 2004 06:59 GMT Either the bird is not getting enough calcium making the egg too fragile, or I would suspect alot of playing going on in the cage. They can get quite active sometimes and end up breaking the eggs or its even likely that one of the other tiels mistake the eggs for fun toys. One wanna-be mother cant sit there and protect her eggs 24/7 and unless one of the other two are a mate, neither one of them are gunna care about the wellbeing of the eggs. Not to mention the cage floors arent that soft either.
Only thing I can suggest are giving a cuddlebone/mineral block if she doesnt already have one, and moving her to her own cage along with her mate if she has one. Sometimes you can move their eggs inside the box where theyre safer and theyll take care of them there.
>Hi. >I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Someone, anyone, tell me what am I doing wrong
or why are the birds >cracking/breaking the eggs?? THE Old Man - 25 Feb 2004 07:07 GMT >Hi. >I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Someone, anyone, tell me what am I doing wrong
or why are the birds >cracking/breaking the eggs?? Little OT humor:
Little Bobby, 5 years old, goes into the house and tells his mother that he and Susie, also 5, are going to get married. Mom decides to talk with him and not make fun of his declaration.
She says "Well, Bobby Susie is a nice girl but when you get married you have to have a place to live". Bobby tells her they have talked about it and have solved that problem. One week they will live in his room and the next they will live in her room.
Mom then says: "I see. But you have to have a job so you will have money for food and things." Bobby was prepared and said they would eat with his parents one week and with hers the next. Plus they would still be getting their 25 cents allowance.
Hmmm. Mom then says " you know there are more things to think of than just a place to live and food. What about babies?"
Bobby says: "We have that figured out too. When Susie lays an egg we'll crack it".
geoff watts - 25 Feb 2004 07:33 GMT With all the birds being so young they are probably not ready to be breeding yet. Are 2 of the birds bonded at all or have you seen them mating? If so then leave those 2 in the cage with the box and put the other one in another cage. The 3rd bird could be playing with t he egg and breaking it. Sharp claws will also break eggs if the parents are a little rough. Don't remove the third egg from the cage as if you keep removing them the hen will keep laying them. If she won't go in the box to lay them put it in a bowl with some pine shavings for bedding exactly where she laid the egg. When she has enough eggs she will sit on them and then after she tires of sitting on them...can take 3 weeks....then remove them if not hatched. You will still need to work out which male ...if any....is her mate and remove those birds that aren't. If neither bird shows any interest you may need to remove both and leave her to her own devices. Give the birds plenty of seed and fresh fruit and veges and a cuttlebone as well. That will help the hen while she is laying....and at all times to be honest. Hope this helps a little. Please let us know how it turns out. By the way they normally have clutches of 3-7 eggs ,each egg being laid on alternate days. Jo-Anne
> Hi. > I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Someone, anyone, tell me what am I doing wrong.or why are the birds > cracking/breaking the eggs?? Marco - 25 Feb 2004 12:33 GMT > Hi. > I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Someone, anyone, tell me what am I doing wrong…or why are the birds > cracking/breaking the eggs?? Lawrence, since you didn't give any background info, I just have to ask a few questions... Do you have any experience breeding cockatiels? If they manage to hatch a chick, and they abandon it, do you know how to handfeed the baby? With this young hen laying eggs, do you know what are the signs of egg binding? Are you providing enough nutritional support for the hen that's laying?
why are they cracking the eggs? Could be many reasons: improper breeding set up, calcium deficient diet, bad parenting, young birds who don't know what they're doing.
What would I do if I were you? I'd remove the nestbox, make sure the hen is getting enough calcium in her diet, cut down the daylight hours to prevent any more egg laying, if she lays anymore eggs just leave them there, removing them will only cause the hen to lay some more, cut down on their rich diet to bring the hen off breeding condition. These birds are too young to be bred... if you are serious about breeding them, give them about 6 more months to mature. And in the meantime read, read, read as much as you can, talk/visit other breeders, try to learn how to handfeed, etc.
One last question... what are the sexes of the birds? We know at least ONE is a hen... what are the other two? males? females? unknown?
Here are some links you might want to check out:
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww60e.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww61e.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww62e.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww63e.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww64e.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww65e.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww66e.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww67e.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww68e.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww69e.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww61ev.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww68eiv.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww69eiv.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww59eiii.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww22eiv.htm
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NaDeana - 26 Feb 2004 23:57 GMT Yeah, what he said!
> > Hi. > > I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww59eiii.htm > http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww22eiv.htm oldmolly - 25 Feb 2004 14:31 GMT > Hi. > I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Someone, anyone, tell me what am I doing wrong
You are trying to breed cockatiels even though you have not the foggiest clue how to go about it properly. Too many birds in a cage, birds too young to breed. Do some research before inflicting you desires to produce more cockatiels than there are good homes for.
Ray - 25 Feb 2004 16:30 GMT > You are trying to breed cockatiels even though you have not the > foggiest clue how to go about it properly. Too many birds in a cage, > birds too young to breed. Do some research before inflicting you desires > to produce more cockatiels than there are good homes for. The majority of cockatiels bred arent for the pet trade. They are bred for the pleasure of having them flying around an aviary like I do. And the exhibition side of cockatiel breeding has really taken off in the UK in the last few years. There are many more parent reared birds than handreared and most are sold or exchanged with other breeders as breeding stock. Ray
oldmolly - 25 Feb 2004 21:07 GMT > > You are trying to breed cockatiels even though you have not the > > foggiest clue how to go about it properly. Too many birds in a cage, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and most are sold or exchanged with other breeders as breeding stock. > Ray Ray I am the recipient of many tiels every year. I get offered more than I can possibly take. Only a couple of weeks ago took in 2 lovely ones, bought from a garden centre, hand reared, only had them a week before deciding that they made too much noise/mess and brought them to me. I am afraid that I believe that more tiels are hand reared, than responsible homes exist. Not just here in UK but all over the world as they breed so freely. I get offered whole aviaries of cockatiels every year from people who bought a couple which bred and bred and bred. I manage to place most but it is getting more difficult every year and I am about to build a new huge aviary *just* for all the unwanted cockatiels I get offered :0(
Ray - 26 Feb 2004 00:13 GMT > Ray I am the recipient of many tiels every year. I get offered more than > I can possibly take. Only a couple of weeks ago took in 2 lovely ones, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > it is getting more difficult every year and I am about to build a new > huge aviary *just* for all the unwanted cockatiels I get offered :0( I agree with you about handreared birds, too many birds than there are homes. Garden centres are one of the worst places to buy birds, they give very little advice as they are only trying to make money. Ray
Lawrence L. - 27 Feb 2004 20:01 GMT > > Ray I am the recipient of many tiels every year. I get offered more than > > I can possibly take. Only a couple of weeks ago took in 2 lovely ones, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > money. > Ray Hi. Lawrence L. here again. I have 2 grey females, and a yellow male. It appears my hen has only a 2 egg clutch...if that's even possible. Based on what I know, egg laid every 48 hours, it's been 5 days now...and no sign of the 3'rd egg. My birds are weird. Oh, well. If the egg breeding thing don't work out, i'm ok with it. i'm content with taking care of 3 cockatiels. their diets are complete and fresh. my cage size is the typical breeding cage, that's about a rectangle size. i'd roughly say 2 feet wide, by 17" by 17" i'm still a bit concerned about why the hen's 2 egg clutch eggs both were cracked by the other tiels. isn't it unusual that there's only 2 eggs?
Ray - 28 Feb 2004 02:10 GMT > Hi. > Lawrence L. here again. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > were cracked by the other tiels. isn't it unusual that there's only 2 > eggs? My typical breeding aviary is 6ft long 4ft wide and 6ft high. I breed outside though. Ray
Mark Wilson - 28 Feb 2004 02:16 GMT Hey what you do in your own time is none of our business ;-)
lol j/k :-)
> I breed outside though. Laurie (again) - 28 Feb 2004 02:57 GMT Isn't that against the law in the UK?
> Hey what you do in your own time is none of our business ;-) > > lol j/k :-) > > > I breed outside though. Mark Wilson - 28 Feb 2004 05:19 GMT Probably ;-)
> Isn't that against the law in the UK? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > > I breed outside though. Ray - 28 Feb 2004 16:37 GMT Only if you get caught!!! .
> Isn't that against the law in the UK? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > > I breed outside though. Ray - 28 Feb 2004 16:37 GMT Nothing to worry about at this time of year. Its too damn cold Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Ray .
> Hey what you do in your own time is none of our business ;-) > > lol j/k :-) > > > I breed outside though. Pizza Girl - 28 Feb 2004 17:19 GMT That makes all the more exciting Randy....oops! Ray
LOL
> Nothing to worry about at this time of year. Its too damn cold Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr > Ray [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > > I breed outside though. Digital_Cowboy - 26 Feb 2004 20:10 GMT | > Hi. | > I have 3 cockatiels in a cage. They are all about or around a year [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] | birds too young to breed. Do some research before inflicting you desires | to produce more cockatiels than there are good homes for. Way to go Pam, start out by attacking the person who is asking for advice, instead of trying to help. You haven't changed a bit, I see.
I saw no indication that Lawrence L. was TRYING to breed his 'tiels, just that he discovered an egg had been laid, and that that prompted him to add a nestbox in the hopes that it might help protect any future eggs.
Why is it that you almost always attack a person seeking advice from the get go???
How do you know that he has "too many" birds in a cage he did not give the size of the cage. Again you've "assumed" that he was attempting to breed them, rather then that maybe THEY were "exploring" their world and gave in to the urge to mate/breed. Is that NOT possible??? I mean look at all of the children around the world who play "doctor" in their early teens. . .
Using your "assumption" that because he had three birds together and that at least one that we know of is a female one could presume that when we put children in a co-ed situation that we are trying to get them to "mate/breed. . ." Again Pam why is it that you have to attack someone instead of trying to help them?
DC
Pizza Girl - 28 Feb 2004 22:28 GMT OldMolly is a dangerous person. Sometimes her knowledge is good and sometimes it is way off. This makes her very dangerous, when supported by her flock, to newbies.
She is partially insane and newbies ned to know this.
Take the information for what it is worth.
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > =jRkB > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Marco - 28 Feb 2004 22:44 GMT > OldMolly is a dangerous person. That's rich! This coming from a dimwit who spins her birds around on the ceiling fans, and said that if they ever get hurt it'll be 'cuz they're stupid.
 Signature ~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo
Mark Wilson - 28 Feb 2004 23:27 GMT > OldMolly is a dangerous person. I'm sorry - didn't you say you spin your birds around on ceiling fans? You think *that* is safe?
> <snipped>....makes her very dangerous, when supported by her flock, to newbies.
Oh will you give up on the flock thing? It's getting boring.
> She is partially insane and newbies ned to know this. It appears *you* are the insane one around here, girl.
Ray - 29 Feb 2004 16:42 GMT Pam is dangerous, I've met her!! She is dangerous to people who mistreat birds and animals and devotes her life to caring for them. Ray .
> > OldMolly is a dangerous person. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It appears *you* are the insane one around here, girl.
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