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How fast can a cockatiel fly ?

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Pizza Girl - 28 Feb 2004 23:41 GMT
I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast
'tiels have been recorded at?
Marco - 29 Feb 2004 00:24 GMT
> I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast
> 'tiels have been recorded at?

It all depends if the ceiling fan is on high speed.

And just so you don't say I'm just making fun of you, dopey, here's a link
to the National Science Foundation (first hit on google, hint hint)...:
top speed for a cockatiel, about 30 mph.

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Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry
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Mark Wilson - 29 Feb 2004 00:35 GMT
Hehehe....my thought exactly :-D

> It all depends if the ceiling fan is on high speed.
tiels_r_cool - 29 Feb 2004 15:17 GMT
> > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast
> > 'tiels have been recorded at?
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> to the National Science Foundation (first hit on google, hint hint)...:
> top speed for a cockatiel, about 30 mph.

I think there is a mild plonk going on somewhere in there, or maybe even a
little flinch of the cheeks. hehe
Pizza Girl - 29 Feb 2004 18:23 GMT
I have killfiltered most of the trolls anyway. I wouldn't see the garbage,
or their helpful responses if nobody repeated it...LOL

> > > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast
> > > 'tiels have been recorded at?
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> I think there is a mild plonk going on somewhere in there, or maybe even a
> little flinch of the cheeks. hehe
*Marco* - 29 Feb 2004 21:47 GMT
> I have killfiltered most of the trolls anyway. I wouldn't see the
> garbage,
> or their helpful responses if nobody repeated it...LOL

Really?

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"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day.
Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry
Pratchett, Jingo

Mark Wilson - 29 Feb 2004 22:28 GMT
Can you see this one?

> I have killfiltered most of the trolls anyway. I wouldn't see the garbage,
> or their helpful responses if nobody repeated it...LOL
Pizza Girl - 01 Mar 2004 01:49 GMT
According to the researchers published at this website cockatiels can fly an
approximate maximum of 15 metres per second. This equates to 54 kph.

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/content/abstract/205/10/1389

Now for you disbelieving bone heads out there, I will do a little math for
you.
My ceiling fan has a diameter of 42 inches and rotates, on medium speed
about 1 revolution per second.

Calculating lineal travel in kph goes like this.

42 (in.dia.) x  3.141592 (pi) x 3600 (sec./hr.) / 39.37 (in./m.)  = 12.1 kph
at the very outside tips. (fastest points)

Putting this in perspective makes this congruent to a human walking across a
street at 5 kph with cars coming at the human at a speed of (are you ready
for it?) 1.1 kph. (Americans and elderly people this is a little more than
1/2 mph)

Do you think you could get across the street without having a car hit you?
Do you think anybody more than a complete moron would worry about it?

My (and your) cockatiel, could not only fly off this ceiling fan safely, if
so desired, at over four times the speed of the fan tips, but could also
navigate from the other side of the room, quite easily catch the tip of the
fan blade, and land on any one of them he or she so chooses. This is not to
mention fly between the blades  up and down and probably pass the blades in
doing so.

At the rear of my property I have a forest and have often observed mallard
ducks flying full speed and dodging trees to come out the other side of the
thicket. This always amazed me because a cockatiel, while only weighing in
at 50-80 grams, always seemed much more agile than a adult mallard duck
weighing in at 700-1700 grams.  This may not be the case after seeing these
amazing aeronautical stunts of these mallards dodging dense tree trunks in
this small forest, coming out the other side to land in the swamp.

Anybody requiring help with this math, just ask, and I will try to clarify
further.

> I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast
> 'tiels have been recorded at?
Pizza Girl - 01 Mar 2004 02:42 GMT
Marco's comments will surely follow. he will not, I repeat, he will
***NOT** dispute the mathematics (he can't unless he takes double his
Ritalin)  but will try to twist facts around to meet his retarded thinking.
He knows most have him on ignore (poor Marco) so he will probably do the
changeling thing again so he can be seen by the multitude with him
killfilterred.

What's worse than a troll?     A lamer,  upchucked troll...LOL

Remember, most of us  do not run into the sides of moving cars and our birds
do not fly into moving objects either. We maintain a higher intelligence
level than some here.

Best of luck with trying to get somebody to listen again.

> According to the researchers published at this website cockatiels can fly an
> approximate maximum of 15 metres per second. This equates to 54 kph.
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> > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast
> > 'tiels have been recorded at?
Mark Wilson - 01 Mar 2004 03:15 GMT
> Remember, most of us  do not run into the sides of moving cars and our birds
> do not fly into moving objects either. We maintain a higher intelligence
> level than some here.

We can judge distances better also. As humans, we have two forward facing
eyes. Birds do not.
And that's not even the point. Accidents happen, and it only needs to happen
one time and it doesn't matter if you've been doing it for 50 years!!!!! It
only takes ONCE. SPLAT. Oops!

"But I've been doing it for 15 years!"
"But <insert mathematical equation here>!!"
"But they enjoy it!!"
"But it was only for a second!!"
"But birds don't fly into moving objects!!!!!"
"But Marco is just a troll!!!"

All that is worth sh.t when you're bird is dead. Get a clue girl.
Mar*co - 01 Mar 2004 03:45 GMT
> Marco's comments will surely follow. he will not, I repeat, he will
> ***NOT** dispute the mathematics (he can't unless he takes double his
> Ritalin)  but will try to twist facts around to meet his retarded
> thinking.

This is not a matter of mathematics, idiot, this is a matter of you
putting your birds' lives in danger. Simple as that...

> He knows most have him on ignore (poor Marco) so he will probably do the
> changeling thing again so he can be seen by the multitude with him
> killfilterred.

Now you are desolutional. Who is 'most'? Who is the 'multitude' that has
me killfiled?
I've been here long enough that people know me and what I'm made of. You,
on the other hand, in just a few weeks have cemented yourself in this
group as a raving lunatic who endangers her birds' lives.

But do not try to shift the focus of this... this is not about me... this
is about you and your moronic ideas... the way you justify your
stupidity... the way you put your birds' lives in danger.

But surely, if you presented such solid proof that your birds will never
get hurt, there must be some people much more intelligent than me that
will back you up and say you're right and that what you are doing is
completely fine... so... where are they? (and the voices in your head do
not count)

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"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day.
Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry
Pratchett, Jingo

**M_a_r_c_o** - 01 Mar 2004 02:42 GMT
And you are spewing all this as an excuse, well, to justify the fact that
you put your birds in danger every time you let them play the 'fun game'
of playing with the ceiling fans. You are one sad individual who is taking
a gamble with these birds' life and safety. It doesn't matter how many
mathematical equations you can come up with, you will NOT be justified in
what you are doing.

> According to the researchers published at this website cockatiels can
> fly an
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>> I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast
>> 'tiels have been recorded at?

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~Marco~
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Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry
Pratchett, Jingo

Mark Wilson - 01 Mar 2004 03:05 GMT
And what if he got a fright, flew off and started flapping all around the
room (mine does this on occasion when something startles him) and flew right
into the blades?

I suppose you are stupid enough to believe that it would be able to land on
it too?

It's a stupid, reckless activity and it is not worth the risk just so you
can be entertained.

The fact is, you are an IDIOT and sooner or later your birds will be DEAD.
And don't come crying to us when it happens.

<propaganda snipped>
NaDeana - 01 Mar 2004 04:44 GMT
Some corrections:

Cockatiels weigh between ~90 and ~120 grams.
http://www.cockatiel.org/tips/weights.html
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww62e.htm
Plus many books that I am not about to list....

And...Mallards weigh about ~1050 to ~1300 grams depending on the age and the
sex, with males being the larger.
http://www.il-st-acad-sci.org/transactions/PDF/8917.pdf
http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/wat/wq/reference/foodandwater.html#table3
Plus, again, many books that I am not going to list...

You're probably thinking of a wood duck if you are seeing ducks dodging
trees, and they are much smaller than what you described (only around 700g)
and build nests in tree cavities so naturally they are able to fly through
forests.

Moose can **run** through dense coniferous forests at 45 mph that people can
not even navigate by walking, but they have hell of a time dodging cars
going at the same speed or less....... The same goes for the few hundred
birds that are brought to the wildlife rehabiliation center that have been
hit by cars.....

> According to the researchers published at this website cockatiels can fly an
> approximate maximum of 15 metres per second. This equates to 54 kph.
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> > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast
> > 'tiels have been recorded at?
Pizza Girl - 01 Mar 2004 05:29 GMT
I cannot find the reference I found previously for the mallard weights but
it was stated as 670-1700 grams. This is probably extremes. the references I
find now  agree approximately with your specs too anyway. The average seems
to be stated around 1200 grams either way.

The cockatiel weights are stated differently also but this was only used as
a comparison to the mallard.

Wood ducks are not very common in my area but mallards are plenty. The
difference is very obvious, especially in the male. A trio of them like to
sleep on my lawn every spring. A don't understand the family unit in these.
Two males and one female? I have managed to give them a little corn from a
distance but they are pretty wild and nervous. (The males must be a little
odd...LOL)

The error in the analogy is that maneuverability is not always relative to
capable speed. I feel a cockatiel has good maneuverability though, not as
good as a hawk but very good compared to some.

Searching the internet I have only found one person ever having a bird
injured by a ceiling fan. I guess this all depends on their habitat as they
develop their skills like a child growing up in the country and suddenly
finds himself confronted with a busy street. I have always left my ceiling
fans on with my birds (not on high speed though!) Many time I found a pair
of budgies landed on the blades while it was turning. If the speed is
increased to medium they lay back like little jets and get all streamlined.
Scared the crap out of me the first time they did it. An earlier cockatiel
loved the ride too. One of my current cockatiels will land on the blades but
is a little fearsome when it starts to turn even at low speed and just flies
away. He flies in the house all the time with the fans on and has never
touched one in flight yet. But then he could pluck your eyebrows off your
face on his way past without stopping, his accuracy is so good. The bugger
is whistling up a storm right now trying to get my attention from his cage.
he knows its late and bedtime....LOL

This is not recommended for birds without training for sure same as young
birds smash into windows and mirrors until they get used to the human
environment.

Thanks for the references.

> Some corrections:
>
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> > > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast
> > > 'tiels have been recorded at?
Mark Wilson - 01 Mar 2004 06:05 GMT
<snipped>

> Searching the internet I have only found one person ever having a bird
> injured by a ceiling fan. I guess this all depends on their habitat as they
> develop their skills like a child growing up in the country and suddenly
> finds himself confronted with a busy street.

No - it means most people are smart enough to turn their fans OFF whilst
their birds are out of their cage. Idiot.

>I have always left my ceiling fans on with my birds (not on high speed
though!) Many time I found a pair
> of budgies landed on the blades while it was turning.

Bull sh.t.

>One of my current cockatiels will land on the blades but
> is a little fearsome when it starts to turn even at low speed and just flies
> away. He flies in the house all the time with the fans on and has never
> touched one in flight yet.

There'll be a first time. And it you'll be sorry.

>But then he could pluck your eyebrows off your
> face on his way past without stopping, his accuracy is so good.

Don't be so complacent!!
I don't beleive you haven't killed something yet. You're lack of caution can
only spell danger for your birds. Like I said before - I hope they escape
from you, because you are eventually going to kill them.

> This is not recommended for birds without training for sure same as young
> birds smash into windows and mirrors until they get used to the human
> environment.

To any newbies reading this thread:
THIS IS NOT RECOMMENDED ****AT ALL****.

PG, You are being extremely negligent by attempting to convince newbies that
this practice is safe. Don't be so IGNORANT!!!
Kathy - 01 Mar 2004 21:53 GMT
Strange that you think this is okay to do.... I told my teen daughter
about the ceiling fan trick you do with your birds and she totally
freaked out! So if a teen knows better, wouldn't you think a grown
adult with common sense would know any better? It's just crazy PG...

> Searching the internet I have only found one person ever having a bird
> injured by a ceiling fan. I guess this all depends on their habitat as they
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Thanks for the references.
Pizza Girl - 05 Mar 2004 02:06 GMT
I guess the emotions in this group are very high but not the intelligence to
present a logical argument. I bet home lives are pretty wild too with all
the PMS outbursts etc. I wonder what Marco's problem is? Hurts when your
a.shole mends finally?

> I cannot find the reference I found previously for the mallard weights but
> it was stated as 670-1700 grams. This is probably extremes. the references I
[quoted text clipped - 127 lines]
> fast
> > > > 'tiels have been recorded at?
Marco - 05 Mar 2004 03:10 GMT
> I guess the emotions in this group are very high but not the
> intelligence to
> present a logical argument.

It doesn't matter what you say, you have been branded as an idiot who
cares very little about her birds. You put your birds' lives in danger and
you don't care.
Regardless of how many excuses or fake mathematical equations you use to
justify your negligent actions, the fact remains that your "games" will
one day cost your birds' lives... and the sad part is that you don't give
a damn. People like you shouldn't own animals of any kind.

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Laurie - 05 Mar 2004 03:14 GMT
> > I guess the emotions in this group are very high but not the
> > intelligence to
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> --
> =-Marco-=

What kills me is she thinks she's this huge intellectual and the rest of us
are dimwits.  But yet, us dimwits know better than to spin our birds.  For
some reason, I picture her this big, fat, ugly bus with moles and whiskers,
and she's so lonely that she trolls for attention in usenet.  Sad really.

L
Kathy - 05 Mar 2004 20:41 GMT
> > > I guess the emotions in this group are very high but not the
> > > intelligence to
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> L

This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after
making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this
intelligent human being! Then she says these remarks about Marco....
*pssst* hey Marco, I think she trys to get your attention! *LOL* Yes
it is sad...
Marc0 - 05 Mar 2004 21:09 GMT
> This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after
> making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this
> intelligent human being! Then she says these remarks about Marco....
> *pssst* hey Marco, I think she trys to get your attention! *LOL* Yes
> it is sad...

Damn... it seems like I have magnet for these morons. At least this one
didn't threaten to call the FBI on me! LOL

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=-Marco-=
Parrots are Loud
Parrots are Messy
Parrots are Expensive
Parrots are Needy
Parrots are Wild Animals
*************
Parrots are NOT toys
Parrots are NOT decorations
Parrots are NOT easy to keep
Parrots can be a pain in the a.s!

Kathy - 05 Mar 2004 21:39 GMT
> > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after
> > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Damn... it seems like I have magnet for these morons. At least this one
> didn't threaten to call the FBI on me! LOL

Give her time.... she probably will! She's nutty enough! *LOL*
Marc0 - 05 Mar 2004 21:44 GMT
>> > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after
>> > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Give her time.... she probably will! She's nutty enough! *LOL*

LOL that's true enough.... if you want to have a chuckle check out:
http://geocities.com/igotmbd/phonytony.html

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=-Marco-=
Parrots are Loud
Parrots are Messy
Parrots are Expensive
Parrots are Needy
Parrots are Wild Animals
*************
Parrots are NOT toys
Parrots are NOT decorations
Parrots are NOT easy to keep
Parrots can be a pain in the a.s!

Kathy - 06 Mar 2004 01:19 GMT
> >> > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after
> >> > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> LOL that's true enough.... if you want to have a chuckle check out:
> http://geocities.com/igotmbd/phonytony.html

*LMAO*!! Thanks for that Marco :-)
sweetmolly - 07 Mar 2004 17:04 GMT
> >> > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after
> >> > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> LOL that's true enough.... if you want to have a chuckle check out:
> http://geocities.com/igotmbd/phonytony.html

You know, I recon Tony and pizzaface are simply made for each other.
A match made in heaven surely. Just like you and I Marco :0)
Pizza Girl - 07 Mar 2004 17:25 GMT
You and Marko are probably the same person anyway. You troll the same, try
to pick fights almost the same, support each other's insanities,  and have
to change your nicks regularly to avoid the killfilter lists of most of us
here. Would it make any difference S&M?

> > >> > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after
> > >> > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> You know, I recon Tony and pizzaface are simply made for each other.
> A match made in heaven surely. Just like you and I Marco :0)
Marco - 07 Mar 2004 18:05 GMT
> You and Marko are probably the same person anyway.

There you go again... they really need to up your dosage. Yeah,
absolutely... oldmolly and i ARE in fact the same person... since you are
a techie, I'm sure you can decipher the headers and tell for a fact that
we ARE indeed one and the same. Moron.

> You troll the same, try
> to pick fights almost the same, support each other's insanities,  and
> have
> to change your nicks regularly to avoid the killfilter lists of most of
> us
> here. Would it make any difference S&M?

Haven't you heard of "Great Minds Think Alike"? Oh, I'm sure you haven't.

Hmmm... it's Sunday... Orderlies day off?

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=-Marco-=
Parrots are Loud
Parrots are Messy
Parrots are Expensive
Parrots are Needy
Parrots are Wild Animals
*************
Parrots are NOT toys
Parrots are NOT decorations
Parrots are NOT easy to keep
Parrots can be a pain in the a.s!

Mark Wilson - 07 Mar 2004 21:57 GMT
***ROFLWT***
Not *again* lol

How dumb are you? I thought you'd realise how stupid that was after the last
time you made up such tripe and we all laughed at you. You certainly are
entertaining :-D

> You and Marko are probably the same person anyway. You troll the same, try
> to pick fights almost the same, support each other's insanities,  and have
> to change your nicks regularly to avoid the killfilter lists of most of us
> here. Would it make any difference S&M?
Marco - 07 Mar 2004 18:06 GMT
>> >> > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after
>> >> > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> You know, I recon Tony and pizzaface are simply made for each other.
> A match made in heaven surely. Just like you and I Marco :0)

X-cuze me madam, but you better start calling my name the right way... or
this will not last. LOL

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=-Marco-=
Parrots are Loud
Parrots are Messy
Parrots are Expensive
Parrots are Needy
Parrots are Wild Animals
*************
Parrots are NOT toys
Parrots are NOT decorations
Parrots are NOT easy to keep
Parrots can be a pain in the a.s!

Kathy - 01 Mar 2004 21:43 GMT
> According to the researchers published at this website cockatiels can fly an
> approximate maximum of 15 metres per second. This equates to 54 kph.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> 42 (in.dia.) x  3.141592 (pi) x 3600 (sec./hr.) / 39.37 (in./m.)  = 12.1 kph
> at the very outside tips. (fastest points)

I really don't think we need to get the math involved here.... we are
talking about putting your birds lives in danger.... no matter what
the rotation speed of the fan. I know that the speed of my ceiling
fans on low speed spins quite fast and in my opinion that is very
dangerous!

> Putting this in perspective makes this congruent to a human walking across a
> street at 5 kph with cars coming at the human at a speed of (are you ready
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast
> > 'tiels have been recorded at?
 
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