How fast can a cockatiel fly ?
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Pizza Girl - 28 Feb 2004 23:41 GMT I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast 'tiels have been recorded at?
Marco - 29 Feb 2004 00:24 GMT > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast > 'tiels have been recorded at? It all depends if the ceiling fan is on high speed.
And just so you don't say I'm just making fun of you, dopey, here's a link to the National Science Foundation (first hit on google, hint hint)...: top speed for a cockatiel, about 30 mph.
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Mark Wilson - 29 Feb 2004 00:35 GMT Hehehe....my thought exactly :-D
> It all depends if the ceiling fan is on high speed. tiels_r_cool - 29 Feb 2004 15:17 GMT > > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast > > 'tiels have been recorded at? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to the National Science Foundation (first hit on google, hint hint)...: > top speed for a cockatiel, about 30 mph. I think there is a mild plonk going on somewhere in there, or maybe even a little flinch of the cheeks. hehe
Pizza Girl - 29 Feb 2004 18:23 GMT I have killfiltered most of the trolls anyway. I wouldn't see the garbage, or their helpful responses if nobody repeated it...LOL
> > > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast > > > 'tiels have been recorded at? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I think there is a mild plonk going on somewhere in there, or maybe even a > little flinch of the cheeks. hehe *Marco* - 29 Feb 2004 21:47 GMT > I have killfiltered most of the trolls anyway. I wouldn't see the > garbage, > or their helpful responses if nobody repeated it...LOL Really?
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Mark Wilson - 29 Feb 2004 22:28 GMT Can you see this one?
> I have killfiltered most of the trolls anyway. I wouldn't see the garbage, > or their helpful responses if nobody repeated it...LOL Pizza Girl - 01 Mar 2004 01:49 GMT According to the researchers published at this website cockatiels can fly an approximate maximum of 15 metres per second. This equates to 54 kph.
http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/content/abstract/205/10/1389
Now for you disbelieving bone heads out there, I will do a little math for you. My ceiling fan has a diameter of 42 inches and rotates, on medium speed about 1 revolution per second.
Calculating lineal travel in kph goes like this.
42 (in.dia.) x 3.141592 (pi) x 3600 (sec./hr.) / 39.37 (in./m.) = 12.1 kph at the very outside tips. (fastest points)
Putting this in perspective makes this congruent to a human walking across a street at 5 kph with cars coming at the human at a speed of (are you ready for it?) 1.1 kph. (Americans and elderly people this is a little more than 1/2 mph)
Do you think you could get across the street without having a car hit you? Do you think anybody more than a complete moron would worry about it?
My (and your) cockatiel, could not only fly off this ceiling fan safely, if so desired, at over four times the speed of the fan tips, but could also navigate from the other side of the room, quite easily catch the tip of the fan blade, and land on any one of them he or she so chooses. This is not to mention fly between the blades up and down and probably pass the blades in doing so.
At the rear of my property I have a forest and have often observed mallard ducks flying full speed and dodging trees to come out the other side of the thicket. This always amazed me because a cockatiel, while only weighing in at 50-80 grams, always seemed much more agile than a adult mallard duck weighing in at 700-1700 grams. This may not be the case after seeing these amazing aeronautical stunts of these mallards dodging dense tree trunks in this small forest, coming out the other side to land in the swamp.
Anybody requiring help with this math, just ask, and I will try to clarify further.
> I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast > 'tiels have been recorded at? Pizza Girl - 01 Mar 2004 02:42 GMT Marco's comments will surely follow. he will not, I repeat, he will ***NOT** dispute the mathematics (he can't unless he takes double his Ritalin) but will try to twist facts around to meet his retarded thinking. He knows most have him on ignore (poor Marco) so he will probably do the changeling thing again so he can be seen by the multitude with him killfilterred.
What's worse than a troll? A lamer, upchucked troll...LOL
Remember, most of us do not run into the sides of moving cars and our birds do not fly into moving objects either. We maintain a higher intelligence level than some here.
Best of luck with trying to get somebody to listen again.
> According to the researchers published at this website cockatiels can fly an > approximate maximum of 15 metres per second. This equates to 54 kph. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast > > 'tiels have been recorded at? Mark Wilson - 01 Mar 2004 03:15 GMT > Remember, most of us do not run into the sides of moving cars and our birds > do not fly into moving objects either. We maintain a higher intelligence > level than some here. We can judge distances better also. As humans, we have two forward facing eyes. Birds do not. And that's not even the point. Accidents happen, and it only needs to happen one time and it doesn't matter if you've been doing it for 50 years!!!!! It only takes ONCE. SPLAT. Oops!
"But I've been doing it for 15 years!" "But <insert mathematical equation here>!!" "But they enjoy it!!" "But it was only for a second!!" "But birds don't fly into moving objects!!!!!" "But Marco is just a troll!!!"
All that is worth sh.t when you're bird is dead. Get a clue girl.
Mar*co - 01 Mar 2004 03:45 GMT > Marco's comments will surely follow. he will not, I repeat, he will > ***NOT** dispute the mathematics (he can't unless he takes double his > Ritalin) but will try to twist facts around to meet his retarded > thinking. This is not a matter of mathematics, idiot, this is a matter of you putting your birds' lives in danger. Simple as that...
> He knows most have him on ignore (poor Marco) so he will probably do the > changeling thing again so he can be seen by the multitude with him > killfilterred. Now you are desolutional. Who is 'most'? Who is the 'multitude' that has me killfiled? I've been here long enough that people know me and what I'm made of. You, on the other hand, in just a few weeks have cemented yourself in this group as a raving lunatic who endangers her birds' lives.
But do not try to shift the focus of this... this is not about me... this is about you and your moronic ideas... the way you justify your stupidity... the way you put your birds' lives in danger.
But surely, if you presented such solid proof that your birds will never get hurt, there must be some people much more intelligent than me that will back you up and say you're right and that what you are doing is completely fine... so... where are they? (and the voices in your head do not count)
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**M_a_r_c_o** - 01 Mar 2004 02:42 GMT And you are spewing all this as an excuse, well, to justify the fact that you put your birds in danger every time you let them play the 'fun game' of playing with the ceiling fans. You are one sad individual who is taking a gamble with these birds' life and safety. It doesn't matter how many mathematical equations you can come up with, you will NOT be justified in what you are doing.
> According to the researchers published at this website cockatiels can > fly an [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >> I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast >> 'tiels have been recorded at?
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Mark Wilson - 01 Mar 2004 03:05 GMT And what if he got a fright, flew off and started flapping all around the room (mine does this on occasion when something startles him) and flew right into the blades?
I suppose you are stupid enough to believe that it would be able to land on it too?
It's a stupid, reckless activity and it is not worth the risk just so you can be entertained.
The fact is, you are an IDIOT and sooner or later your birds will be DEAD. And don't come crying to us when it happens.
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NaDeana - 01 Mar 2004 04:44 GMT Some corrections:
Cockatiels weigh between ~90 and ~120 grams. http://www.cockatiel.org/tips/weights.html http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww62e.htm Plus many books that I am not about to list....
And...Mallards weigh about ~1050 to ~1300 grams depending on the age and the sex, with males being the larger. http://www.il-st-acad-sci.org/transactions/PDF/8917.pdf http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/wat/wq/reference/foodandwater.html#table3 Plus, again, many books that I am not going to list...
You're probably thinking of a wood duck if you are seeing ducks dodging trees, and they are much smaller than what you described (only around 700g) and build nests in tree cavities so naturally they are able to fly through forests.
Moose can **run** through dense coniferous forests at 45 mph that people can not even navigate by walking, but they have hell of a time dodging cars going at the same speed or less....... The same goes for the few hundred birds that are brought to the wildlife rehabiliation center that have been hit by cars.....
> According to the researchers published at this website cockatiels can fly an > approximate maximum of 15 metres per second. This equates to 54 kph. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast > > 'tiels have been recorded at? Pizza Girl - 01 Mar 2004 05:29 GMT I cannot find the reference I found previously for the mallard weights but it was stated as 670-1700 grams. This is probably extremes. the references I find now agree approximately with your specs too anyway. The average seems to be stated around 1200 grams either way.
The cockatiel weights are stated differently also but this was only used as a comparison to the mallard.
Wood ducks are not very common in my area but mallards are plenty. The difference is very obvious, especially in the male. A trio of them like to sleep on my lawn every spring. A don't understand the family unit in these. Two males and one female? I have managed to give them a little corn from a distance but they are pretty wild and nervous. (The males must be a little odd...LOL)
The error in the analogy is that maneuverability is not always relative to capable speed. I feel a cockatiel has good maneuverability though, not as good as a hawk but very good compared to some.
Searching the internet I have only found one person ever having a bird injured by a ceiling fan. I guess this all depends on their habitat as they develop their skills like a child growing up in the country and suddenly finds himself confronted with a busy street. I have always left my ceiling fans on with my birds (not on high speed though!) Many time I found a pair of budgies landed on the blades while it was turning. If the speed is increased to medium they lay back like little jets and get all streamlined. Scared the crap out of me the first time they did it. An earlier cockatiel loved the ride too. One of my current cockatiels will land on the blades but is a little fearsome when it starts to turn even at low speed and just flies away. He flies in the house all the time with the fans on and has never touched one in flight yet. But then he could pluck your eyebrows off your face on his way past without stopping, his accuracy is so good. The bugger is whistling up a storm right now trying to get my attention from his cage. he knows its late and bedtime....LOL
This is not recommended for birds without training for sure same as young birds smash into windows and mirrors until they get used to the human environment.
Thanks for the references.
> Some corrections: > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast > > > 'tiels have been recorded at? Mark Wilson - 01 Mar 2004 06:05 GMT <snipped>
> Searching the internet I have only found one person ever having a bird > injured by a ceiling fan. I guess this all depends on their habitat as they > develop their skills like a child growing up in the country and suddenly > finds himself confronted with a busy street. No - it means most people are smart enough to turn their fans OFF whilst their birds are out of their cage. Idiot.
>I have always left my ceiling fans on with my birds (not on high speed though!) Many time I found a pair
> of budgies landed on the blades while it was turning. Bull sh.t.
>One of my current cockatiels will land on the blades but > is a little fearsome when it starts to turn even at low speed and just flies > away. He flies in the house all the time with the fans on and has never > touched one in flight yet. There'll be a first time. And it you'll be sorry.
>But then he could pluck your eyebrows off your > face on his way past without stopping, his accuracy is so good. Don't be so complacent!! I don't beleive you haven't killed something yet. You're lack of caution can only spell danger for your birds. Like I said before - I hope they escape from you, because you are eventually going to kill them.
> This is not recommended for birds without training for sure same as young > birds smash into windows and mirrors until they get used to the human > environment. To any newbies reading this thread: THIS IS NOT RECOMMENDED ****AT ALL****.
PG, You are being extremely negligent by attempting to convince newbies that this practice is safe. Don't be so IGNORANT!!!
Kathy - 01 Mar 2004 21:53 GMT Strange that you think this is okay to do.... I told my teen daughter about the ceiling fan trick you do with your birds and she totally freaked out! So if a teen knows better, wouldn't you think a grown adult with common sense would know any better? It's just crazy PG...
> Searching the internet I have only found one person ever having a bird > injured by a ceiling fan. I guess this all depends on their habitat as they [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Thanks for the references. Pizza Girl - 05 Mar 2004 02:06 GMT I guess the emotions in this group are very high but not the intelligence to present a logical argument. I bet home lives are pretty wild too with all the PMS outbursts etc. I wonder what Marco's problem is? Hurts when your a.shole mends finally?
> I cannot find the reference I found previously for the mallard weights but > it was stated as 670-1700 grams. This is probably extremes. the references I [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] > fast > > > > 'tiels have been recorded at? Marco - 05 Mar 2004 03:10 GMT > I guess the emotions in this group are very high but not the > intelligence to > present a logical argument. It doesn't matter what you say, you have been branded as an idiot who cares very little about her birds. You put your birds' lives in danger and you don't care. Regardless of how many excuses or fake mathematical equations you use to justify your negligent actions, the fact remains that your "games" will one day cost your birds' lives... and the sad part is that you don't give a damn. People like you shouldn't own animals of any kind.
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Laurie - 05 Mar 2004 03:14 GMT > > I guess the emotions in this group are very high but not the > > intelligence to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > =-Marco-= What kills me is she thinks she's this huge intellectual and the rest of us are dimwits. But yet, us dimwits know better than to spin our birds. For some reason, I picture her this big, fat, ugly bus with moles and whiskers, and she's so lonely that she trolls for attention in usenet. Sad really.
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Kathy - 05 Mar 2004 20:41 GMT > > > I guess the emotions in this group are very high but not the > > > intelligence to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > L This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this intelligent human being! Then she says these remarks about Marco.... *pssst* hey Marco, I think she trys to get your attention! *LOL* Yes it is sad...
Marc0 - 05 Mar 2004 21:09 GMT > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this > intelligent human being! Then she says these remarks about Marco.... > *pssst* hey Marco, I think she trys to get your attention! *LOL* Yes > it is sad... Damn... it seems like I have magnet for these morons. At least this one didn't threaten to call the FBI on me! LOL
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Kathy - 05 Mar 2004 21:39 GMT > > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after > > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Damn... it seems like I have magnet for these morons. At least this one > didn't threaten to call the FBI on me! LOL Give her time.... she probably will! She's nutty enough! *LOL*
Marc0 - 05 Mar 2004 21:44 GMT >> > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after >> > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Give her time.... she probably will! She's nutty enough! *LOL* LOL that's true enough.... if you want to have a chuckle check out: http://geocities.com/igotmbd/phonytony.html
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Kathy - 06 Mar 2004 01:19 GMT > >> > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after > >> > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > LOL that's true enough.... if you want to have a chuckle check out: > http://geocities.com/igotmbd/phonytony.html *LMAO*!! Thanks for that Marco :-)
sweetmolly - 07 Mar 2004 17:04 GMT > >> > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after > >> > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > LOL that's true enough.... if you want to have a chuckle check out: > http://geocities.com/igotmbd/phonytony.html You know, I recon Tony and pizzaface are simply made for each other. A match made in heaven surely. Just like you and I Marco :0)
Pizza Girl - 07 Mar 2004 17:25 GMT You and Marko are probably the same person anyway. You troll the same, try to pick fights almost the same, support each other's insanities, and have to change your nicks regularly to avoid the killfilter lists of most of us here. Would it make any difference S&M?
> > >> > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after > > >> > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > You know, I recon Tony and pizzaface are simply made for each other. > A match made in heaven surely. Just like you and I Marco :0) Marco - 07 Mar 2004 18:05 GMT > You and Marko are probably the same person anyway. There you go again... they really need to up your dosage. Yeah, absolutely... oldmolly and i ARE in fact the same person... since you are a techie, I'm sure you can decipher the headers and tell for a fact that we ARE indeed one and the same. Moron.
> You troll the same, try > to pick fights almost the same, support each other's insanities, and > have > to change your nicks regularly to avoid the killfilter lists of most of > us > here. Would it make any difference S&M? Haven't you heard of "Great Minds Think Alike"? Oh, I'm sure you haven't.
Hmmm... it's Sunday... Orderlies day off?
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Mark Wilson - 07 Mar 2004 21:57 GMT ***ROFLWT*** Not *again* lol
How dumb are you? I thought you'd realise how stupid that was after the last time you made up such tripe and we all laughed at you. You certainly are entertaining :-D
> You and Marko are probably the same person anyway. You troll the same, try > to pick fights almost the same, support each other's insanities, and have > to change your nicks regularly to avoid the killfilter lists of most of us > here. Would it make any difference S&M? Marco - 07 Mar 2004 18:06 GMT >> >> > This is exactly what I think of her as well! She comes here after >> >> > making an "a.s" of herself then comes back posting like she's this [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > You know, I recon Tony and pizzaface are simply made for each other. > A match made in heaven surely. Just like you and I Marco :0) X-cuze me madam, but you better start calling my name the right way... or this will not last. LOL
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Kathy - 01 Mar 2004 21:43 GMT > According to the researchers published at this website cockatiels can fly an > approximate maximum of 15 metres per second. This equates to 54 kph. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 42 (in.dia.) x 3.141592 (pi) x 3600 (sec./hr.) / 39.37 (in./m.) = 12.1 kph > at the very outside tips. (fastest points) I really don't think we need to get the math involved here.... we are talking about putting your birds lives in danger.... no matter what the rotation speed of the fan. I know that the speed of my ceiling fans on low speed spins quite fast and in my opinion that is very dangerous!
> Putting this in perspective makes this congruent to a human walking across a > street at 5 kph with cars coming at the human at a speed of (are you ready [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > I know some hawks can top 100 mph (166 kph). Does anybody know how fast > > 'tiels have been recorded at?
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