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Pet Forum / Birds / Parrots / March 2004Pet birds and ceiling fans
If you do a google you'll come up with tons of web pages telling of the danger of these 'games'. A cockatiel can be startled easily and if the fan is whirring above, they could easily fly up and be seriously injured or killed. Just because you read about, or see some moron on the animal planet doing, doesn't mean it's safe or smart. If PG sticks around, we'll eventually be reading her post about her maimed bird who was riding on her ceiling fan. I personally will have no sympathy for her...just her poor birds Laurie Please read (you can read it seems, when you want to) my post in another thread explaining why my many birds that liked to perform this ride over the last 15 years have never had an accident yet. (the other ones I buried quietly...LOL j/k) I know animals tend to mimic their owners, but I hope you don't run into moving cars very oftern. This may teach your birds to run into ceiling fans also. > If you do a google you'll come up with tons of web pages telling of the > danger of these 'games'. A cockatiel can be startled easily and if the fan [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Laurie Are you so stupid that you *still* think you are doing nothing wrong? I've never seen such negligant behaviour. You are endangering your birds lives! Snap out of it!!! There's always a first time, PG. It amazes me how you have not killed or injured you're birds yet, and I draw the conclusion that you are lying about something. Either the amount of time you've been doing this, or the fact that you haven't killed or hurt any birds yet... You'll get no sympathy from anyone here when your birds go splat, and it will serve you right. I feel so sorry for those poor birds. I hope they escape from you before you kill them. > Please read (you can read it seems, when you want to) my post in another > thread explaining why my many birds that liked to perform this ride over the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > moving cars very oftern. This may teach your birds to run into ceiling fans > also. > Please read (you can read it seems, when you want to) my post in another > thread explaining why my many birds that liked to perform this ride over > the > last 15 years have never had an accident yet. (the other ones I buried > quietly...LOL j/k) You really are one sick individual. I wonder if you are for real or just one big joke... of maybe both.  Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo You really are missing the point (once again) My birds get startled every once in a while, and they just don't think 'hmmm, I better watch out for spinning blades before I take off'. They are not as intelligent as humans...and for you to give them that much credit just attests to *your* level of intelligence. You said your birds *liked* to ride on the ceiling fan blades, set on medium speed. My birds would like to taste chocolate and avocado too, but I'm smarter then they are and don't allow it. Do you see my point? Or are you enjoying being this obtuse? Laurie > Please read (you can read it seems, when you want to) my post in another > thread explaining why my many birds that liked to perform this ride over the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > Laurie Mine get startled very often but they never fly towards the ceiling fans. I have the fans on quite frequently, and although it makes me a little nervous it never seens to be a problem for them understanding they can get hit. As well they understand running into walls isn't good either. Mirrors and windows are another story. The birds just cannot understand them at first but get used to them also (after a few accidents). Luckily they learn while still young, lighter, and not have as much speed in a small room. I do have a few stick-on on my patio door now to try to avoid more hits. One guy of mine took off one day and bashed both panes of the patio door.... Wondering what the heck was going on I backed the TV recording up and noticed a hawk or some prey type bird way in the background of the scene with a man talking in the foreground. He must have seen this predator bird and freaked. The stick-ons went up then. Is this typical of your flock here to insult every chance you get? Not many people will tolerate that stuff for long. I have been chatting and groupoing for years so it doesn't make that much of a mark. Usally most, save the very young ones have stopped the hissy fits by now though. This group is exceptional with it's flock leaders trying to pick fights from every post. BTW: I see you got the security upgrades. Good move. Better safe than "WTF happenned?" > You really are missing the point (once again) My birds get startled every > once in a while, and they just don't think 'hmmm, I better watch out for [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > > > Laurie When mine get startled, I don't notice that they're paying any attention to which way they're going or even what they're doing. I just observe the fleeing instinct. It's like they just explode and off they go. Because I know using a ceiling fan in the room where the birds are can possibly be a danger, I just don't turn it on, especially when they're out. It's just common sense. I want to protect them from any and all harm, iwhen possible, simple as that. If you're willing to take that risk, fine, but do not advocate it here with all the newbies, or we'll be seeing an abundance of "my bird is dead" posts. What's typical of this 'flock' is to point out dangerous advice being given, and people putting their birds in dangerous situations. Most of us like birds *way* better than many people. You are the one who started the nasty stuff and name calling, and general craziness. We responded to that. If you think about it, you came here virtually unknown, and started blasting and trying to discredit our regular posters. If you know so much about Usenet, then you'ld know that the best way to join a group is to lurk first and learn the 'culture' of a ng before plowing in. We don't know you or your level of bird knowledge, so why should we listen to you without being properly informed of your expertise? You're the one who started being extremely insulting to Marco, Old Molly, and anyone else who has pointed out what a danger you're putting your birds in. I see no flock leaders here. Just more prolific posters than others, and there's some established friendships here. That's all. I did take your advice to update security, thank you. You made me realize that there are some crazies out there. Laurie > Mine get startled very often but they never fly towards the ceiling fans. I > have the fans on quite frequently, and although it makes me a little nervous [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > > > > > > > Laurie Gees - she's starting to piss me off with this BS. Like you said Laurie, she's spreading s**t that is only going to be dangerous to newbies and their Tiels. TO NEWBIES READING THIS: do ***NOT*** let your birds ride on ceiling fans - even @ low speeds. This is D-A-N-G-E-R-O-U-S. Even on low, you are teaching your bird not to be cautious of the fan and when it is flying around in a panic (which happens) it can fly straight into the blades and even if it doesn't kill them it can seriously injure them. Ignoramus. No other word for you. > Mine get startled very often but they never fly towards the ceiling fans. I > have the fans on quite frequently, and although it makes me a little nervous [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > young ones have stopped the hissy fits by now though. This group is > exceptional with it's flock leaders trying to pick fights from every post. > <snipped the BS> > BTW: I see you got the security upgrades. Good move. Better safe than "WTF > happenned?" Why are you so concerned about Laurie's security holes and upgrades? If I were you, I'd be more concerned about turning off the damn ceiling fans while the birds were out of their cages! > > You really are missing the point (once again) My birds get startled every > > once in a while, and they just don't think 'hmmm, I better watch out for [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > > > > > > > Laurie >> <snipped the BS> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If I were you, I'd be more concerned about turning off the damn > ceiling fans while the birds were out of their cages! LOL Hey Kathy... do you think I should also get a security upgrade? I mean... if Laurie's newsreader was not safe, and since we all know that Laurie and I are the same person... I better upgrade mine. LOL Oh.. and Steve's and Oldmolly's. Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo > >> <snipped the BS> > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I are the same person... I better upgrade mine. LOL Oh.. and Steve's and > Oldmolly's. *LMAO*! Yeah, you all better do it now!! I'm really scared for you all!! After all, you are the same person in two different countries!! NOT!! See the headers!! *ROTFLMAO*!! :-p And don't forget Marco's! lol > LOL > > Hey Kathy... do you think I should also get a security upgrade? I mean... > if Laurie's newsreader was not safe, and since we all know that Laurie and > I are the same person... I better upgrade mine. LOL Oh.. and Steve's and > Oldmolly's. WHO? Oh yeah... him too... thanks Kathy... I mean Mark... I mean Andy. LOL > And don't forget Marco's! lol > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> I are the same person... I better upgrade mine. LOL Oh.. and Steve's and >> Oldmolly's. Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo *LOL* As far as I can tell, I think PG is in Texas.... I was reading the header *LOL* Marco, you don't need an upgrade *LOL* > WHO? Oh yeah... him too... thanks Kathy... I mean Mark... I mean Andy. LOL > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >> I are the same person... I better upgrade mine. LOL Oh.. and Steve's and > >> Oldmolly's. > *LOL* > > As far as I can tell, I think PG is in Texas.... I was reading the > header *LOL* You go girl! LOL > Marco, you don't need an upgrade *LOL* :) Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo > > *LOL* > > > > As far as I can tell, I think PG is in Texas.... I was reading the > > header *LOL* > > You go girl! LOL *LMAO*!! > > Marco, you don't need an upgrade *LOL* > > :) Laurie wrote in message: > They are not as intelligent as humans... Correction: They are not as intelligent as **some** humans... As for *most* humans, cockatiels are smarter....they don't pay taxes!! <G> -- Bob R POVrookie -- MinGW (GNU compiler): http://www.mingw.com/ Dev-C++ IDE: http://www.bloodshed.net/ V IDE & V GUI: http://www.objectcentral.com/ POVray: http://www.povray.org/ Good C++ book: http://www.mindview.net/Books alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++: ftp://snurse-l.org/pub/acllc-c++/faq temp: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~ajo/docs/FAQ-acllc.html Hey, I found the perfect parrot for you... take the ones you have right now and give them to someone with 2 brain cells and get yourself a few of these: http://circleofwings.com/luvmybirds/fanpulls.htm Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo > If you do a google you'll come up with tons of web pages telling of the > danger of these 'games'. A cockatiel can be startled easily and if the fan [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Laurie Am I correct in thinking PG is in the UK? If so, whats she doing with a ceiling fan on in the winter? do you think she is just succeding in winding us all up? > pressing return will take you to a spam trap.to contact me, use sheila21uk@yahoo.com No, I don't think she's in the UK. She could be in the southern US if she's using ceiling fans now. Who knows, but she's trying to justify her dangerous actions with all her bs. Laurie > -- > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > pressing return will take you to a spam trap.to contact me, use > sheila21uk@yahoo.com > No, I don't think she's in the UK. She could be in the southern US if > she's > using ceiling fans now. I might have to contact PI Joe... remember him? ;) Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo > > No, I don't think she's in the UK. She could be in the southern US if > > she's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > ~Marco~ How could I forget??? Actually I wasn't trying to wind anybody up. Just stating that I don't think ceiling fans are so dangerous. Even if a bird did hit them they are usually travelling a less than quarter the speed the bird is travelling and doesn't add much to them piling into a glass door or wall. The trouble only started when the name calling started for the flock based crowd here that loves so dearly to belittle all strangers that do not bow down to them. Instead of presenting logical arguments or statistics they attack on a personal level because things are different than their ways permit. I don't go for that and never will. They get back what they dish out and then some. I find it funny to watch them turn into little jets as they ride the fan blades and seeming love it. They always come back for more and chirp to get the fan on. BTW: do you know why people install ceiling fans? They use them in the winter and summer depending on their needs for heating/cooling/bird entertainment. Don't secomd guess things into a frenzy. We have Marco for that....LOL > Am I correct in thinking PG is in the UK? If so, whats she doing with a > ceiling fan on in the winter? do you think she is just succeding in winding > us all up? > > > pressing return will take you to a spam trap.to contact me, use > sheila21uk@yahoo.com > Actually I wasn't trying to wind anybody up. Just stating that I don't think > ceiling fans are so dangerous. Even if a bird did hit them they are usually > travelling a less than quarter the speed the bird is travelling and doesn't > add much to them piling into a glass door or wall. Them piling into a glass wall or door causes injury as well, idiot. My little guy had a bleeding nose once from going into the wall. And the wall is a FLAT surface that isn't moving. Ceiling fans are BLADES, and if they are moving, they can do MORE damage. >The trouble only started when the name calling started for the flock based crowd here that loves so > dearly to belittle all strangers that do not bow down to them. Instead of > presenting logical arguments or statistics they attack on a personal level > because things are different than their ways permit. I don't go for that and > never will. The trouble only started because you are so ignorant that you persist in posting messages about how your birds love to ride the ceiling fans. You got pissed off because nobody else agrees with you and we all think you are an idiot because you persist in this dangerous behaviour. Not to mention the fact that you could be giving newbies dangerous ideas. It has nothing to do with the flock based crowd that exists in your head. When this first started I was fighting with Marco, Laurie, Steve etc. But I still agreed with them on this whole fan thing. Does this make me part of your so called flock as well? > They get back what they dish out and then some. See now that's just wrong. By dishing out what they give you, I can see why you think you're justified. But "and then some" ?? Why do you think you have the right to give out extra? By doing that, you are turning yourself into something worse than you think they are. You become the troll.... It's not healthy to obsess, PG. > I find it funny to watch them turn into little jets as they ride the fan > blades and seeming love it. They always come back for more and chirp to get > the fan on. "Seeming" to love it. I would say that is fear you're witnessing. But even if you're right, and they like it, it doesn't mean you should do it. I'm sure birds would LOVE chocolate, but make no mistake, it can kill them. Just because your bird likes something doesn't make it right or safe. Don't be so ignorant. > BTW: do you know why people install ceiling fans? They use them in the > winter and summer depending on their needs for heating/cooling/bird > entertainment. Don't secomd guess things into a frenzy. We have Marco for > that....LOL I'm curious, how does a ceiling fan heat? And I doubt there is anyone else stupid enough to use their fans for "bird entertainment". If there is, I feel very sorry for their poor birds. It makes me sad to think there are dangerous morons out there who have animals. It's heartbreaking. "Mark Wilson" <theninja@bigpond.com> wrote... > Them piling into a glass wall or door causes injury as well, idiot. Do you think you're achieving much with this abuse? > My little guy had a bleeding nose once from going into the wall. Hmm, it sounds as though your birds have been injured more than those belonging to the "idiot". I don't know much about birds playing with ceiling fans, and I wouldn't encourage it, but I can imagine that they can judge them fairly well. Remember that when flying they have to take a lot of unexpected circumstances into account. If they seem to enjoy playng on th3e fans - they probably do. > I'm curious, how does a ceiling fan heat? It doesn't, but it can circulate warm air from where it is trapped at the ceiling, around the walls into the room. > dangerous morons out there who have animals. It's heartbreaking. Yep, there certainly are, and it certainly is. I don't think you can quite classify Pizza Girl in that way though. Anyway, I know I'll be lambasted for this post, so I'll just slip away quietly now... -- Stephen Oakes Cockatiels adapt to their surrounding just like any other animal. If you train them to be stupid, they will be. Ceiling fans, walls and mirrors and window pane handling are no different. I wouldn't recommend your child be pushed off a 30 metre diving board the first time he or she learns to swim or that you place your bird on a fan blade and turn it on high, but with practice and training they do just fine. One 'tiel I have now just doesn't like the ride and flies off as soon as the blades turn a few times every time. It just isn't his thing. It scares him yet. He has no problem exiting from the turning blades though. The pair of budgies that liked the fan so much couldn't be shaken off the blades even on high speed. But then they were much lighter and smaller than a cockatiel, for sure. > "Mark Wilson" <theninja@bigpond.com> wrote... > > Them piling into a glass wall or door causes injury as well, idiot. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > -- > Stephen Oakes > I wouldn't recommend your child be pushed off a 30 metre diving board the > first time he or she learns to swim or that you place your bird on a fan > blade and turn it on high, but with practice and training they do just fine. Why risk it? It's just unneccesary. Are you just too lazy to turn the fans off while your birds are out? Stephen, Mark is only telling the truth....You weren't here a few nights ago when some of us had to deal with Pizza Girl and her moronic actions.... Also I wouldn't encourage anyone to agree with the birds playing on the ceiling fan.... this is VERY dangerous! > "Mark Wilson" <theninja@bigpond.com> wrote... > > Them piling into a glass wall or door causes injury as well, idiot. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > -- > Stephen Oakes > Do you think you're achieving much with this abuse? Obviously not as it looks like we've turned up another ignormaus that thinks it is ok to let birds play on ceiling fans. Clearly you don't know the first thing about Tiels or you wouldn't be defending PG. > Hmm, it sounds as though your birds have been injured more than those > belonging to the "idiot". I doubt it. It only happened once and I was smart enough to not let it happen again. But I was meerly stating how that can happen - just from flying into the wall after a fright. It happens. But can you imagine if it would have been a moving ceiling fan? > I don't know much about birds playing with ceiling fans, That's quite obvious. >and I wouldn't encourage it, but I can imagine that they can judge them fairly well. Well you should never assume.... > Remember that when flying they have to take a lot of unexpected circumstances into account. And as responsible pet owners, it is our duty to minimise, if not elimate those unexpected circumstances. Eg. Turn off all ceiling fans. > If they seem to enjoy playng on th3e fans - they probably do. It appears you too have also missed the point. It is irrelevant if they "enjoy" it or not. It is dangerous and should not be done. Im sure they would enjoy chocolate as well - but it would kill them. > > I'm curious, how does a ceiling fan heat? > > It doesn't, but it can circulate warm air from where it is trapped at the > ceiling, around the walls into the room. Fine. > > dangerous morons out there who have animals. It's heartbreaking. > > Yep, there certainly are, and it certainly is. I don't think you can quite > classify Pizza Girl in that way though. Well I'm not interested in what you think, as you obviously have no idea. > Anyway, I know I'll be lambasted for this post, so I'll just slip away > quietly now... I think that would be best. Off you go now. "Mark Wilson" <theninja@bigpond.com> wrote... > > Do you think you're achieving much with this abuse? > > Obviously not as it looks like we've turned up another ignormaus that thinks > it is ok to let birds play on ceiling fans. Suit yourself. -- Stephen Oakes Look mate, I'm sorry if I came across a little harsh, but I just can't beleive how PG thinks this is acceptable and responsible pet ownership. I'm sorry if I was rude to you, but it looked like you thought it was okay to do this also. I apologise if I offended you. > Suit yourself. Forget it Mark.... He is obviously one of PG's friends... maybe if he sticks around long enough he too will learn that you can't let the birds play with the fans. > Look mate, I'm sorry if I came across a little harsh, but I just can't > beleive how PG thinks this is acceptable and responsible pet ownership. I'm [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > Suit yourself. > Actually I wasn't trying to wind anybody up. Just stating that I don't > think > ceiling fans are so dangerous. Yeah... the operative word here being "SO". What would you say the chances are of a bird getting hurt or killed by a ceiling fan? One in a million? One in a trillion? Well, I got you beat. Turn the damn things off and the chances of your bird getting killed or harmed by a spinning ceiling fan will be.... <drumroll> "0", zip, nada, none. Try to beat that with one of those mathematical equations you pulled out of your a.s. Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo > > Actually I wasn't trying to wind anybody up. Just stating that I don't > > think [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > <drumroll> "0", zip, nada, none. Try to beat that with one of those > mathematical equations you pulled out of your a.s. That was a good one! *LMAO*!! Let's see what other people, people outside our much biased 'flock', have to say about ceiling fans: http://www.parrot-breeder.com/parrothazards.htm http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww55eii.htm http://www.avesint.com/dangerous.html http://www.quakerparrots.com/mattiesue/preventing_biting_behavior.htm http://www.featheredfriendsforever.org/homesafety.html http://www.geocities.com/healthybirds/dangers/harms.html http://www.cockatiel.org/articles/hazards.html http://www.vetcentric.com/magazine/magazineArticle.cfm?ARTICLEID=1163 http://www.cockatielcottage.net/hazards.html http://www.cockatielsociety.org.au/articles/health%20and%20diet.htm etc. etc. etc. Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo > Let's see what other people, people outside our much biased 'flock', have > to say about ceiling fans: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://www.cockatielcottage.net/hazards.html > http://www.cockatielsociety.org.au/articles/health%20and%20diet.htm Marco, that was an excelent post. Good research. And for PG if she continues to read these. None of us know if your birds will ever get hurt by the fan. No one knows. However, the fact is having a moving fan increases the chances that they can get hurt. Kids might not get hurt roller skating. As they start to do more and more skating, and more and more tricks, chances increase that they will get hurt. Doesn't mean that they will. However, they have thought about it (I hope) and know the dangers. I doubt your birds know the dangers and part or being a good pet owner is providing a safe environment for your pets. Brad All fear mongering opinions based on conjecture and no hard eveidence. Show me evidence that a cockatiel over six months old has ever been injured by a ceiling fan. Specific cases. Some of these links are just junk opinions, some do not contain any mention of fans, most are just copycat sites parrotting the other have told them, with what many think is "common sense" Part of being a good pet owner is providing some good exercise and thrills to relieve their boredom tit for tat. > > http://www.parrot-breeder.com/parrothazards.htm > > http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww55eii.htm [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Brad Do people actually read this crap down here or just ignore it? > All fear mongering opinions based on conjecture and no hard eveidence. > Show > me evidence that a cockatiel over six months old has ever been injured > by a > ceiling fan. Specific cases. What about a veterinarian doctor who has treated birds that had accidents with ceiling fans? Would that do? http://www.cockatiel.org/articles/hazards.html > Some of these links are just junk opinions, some do not contain any > mention > of fans, Bullshit... all of them mention ceiling fans. > most are just copycat sites parrotting the other have told them, > with what many think is "common sense" Hmm... maybe what they say sounds alike because the massage is one and the same: your bird can get hurt or killed if it has access to a ceiling fan. > Part of being a good pet owner is providing some good exercise and > thrills > to relieve their boredom Yeah, it is also the pet owner responsibility to provide a SAFE environment to live, exercise and play in. The reason you will not find pages devoted exclusively to this issue is because any responsible owner, heck, any person with an IQ over 2 knows that letting your birds play with turned on ceiling fans is stupid and dangerous. Signature~Marco~ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry Pratchett, Jingo Marco she's trying to justify her stupidity, and she's now just boring the hell out of me. When her birds get maimed and mangled, we'll never know, unless she's moronic enough to post about it here. The enigma here is that she actually *seems* intelligent at times so it makes it harder for me to understand why she would put her birds in such danger. <shrugs> Maybe the clarity comes when she's highly medicated. Laurie > > All fear mongering opinions based on conjecture and no hard eveidence. > > Show [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry > Pratchett, Jingo She is boring me as well.... I still think she is trying to hide her stupidity by posting the "smart" stuff.... who knows, maybe she's getting this "smart" stuff from a magazine, book, or the Internet.... after all, she did make a total fool of herself in the past couple of days... in my opinion, she acted moronic! *LMAO* It was fun though :-) > Marco she's trying to justify her stupidity, and she's now just boring the > hell out of me. When her birds get maimed and mangled, we'll never know, [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -- Terry > > Pratchett, Jingo |
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