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LadyTech - 27 Apr 2004 03:32 GMT
And if so, how often?

Also, has anyone had a sandy perch instead of a cement perch? I am
going to purchase a sandy perch sometime and was wondering what you
thought about them? I've heard they are better to use.
Laurie - 27 Apr 2004 04:36 GMT
> And if so, how often?
>
> Also, has anyone had a sandy perch instead of a cement perch? I am
> going to purchase a sandy perch sometime and was wondering what you
> thought about them? I've heard they are better to use.

I don't clip toenails on my birds all that often...I use the pastel perches
and it seems to keep them short enough.  I've read that sandy perches can
cause sores on their feet so I never use them
LadyTech - 28 Apr 2004 00:45 GMT
| > And if so, how often?
| >
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| and it seems to keep them short enough.  I've read that sandy perches can
| cause sores on their feet so I never use them

These perches I am talking about are something fairly new. I guess
they are suppose to be softer and safer on the feet. I heard that the
cement perches can cause their feet to become sore if the perches or
the birds feet get wet due to the lime in the cement.
good golly Ms Molly - 28 Apr 2004 19:23 GMT
> I heard that the
> cement perches can cause their feet to become sore if the perches or
> the birds feet get wet due to the lime in the cement.
Who did you hear that from? No lime can leach out of a concrete perch
even when it is wet. Feet do not become sore either somply because they
are not that rough, nor do the birds spend long periods on the one
perch.
I would be very interested to hear who you 'heard' this misinformation
from.
LadyTech - 29 Apr 2004 00:17 GMT
| > I heard that the
| > cement perches can cause their feet to become sore if the perches or
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
| I would be very interested to hear who you 'heard' this misinformation
| from.

I got the information from an ad in "Bird Talk" magazine.
good golly Ms Molly - 29 Apr 2004 11:35 GMT
> | > I heard that the
> | > cement perches can cause their feet to become sore if the perches
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> I got the information from an ad in "Bird Talk" magazine.

And was the ad' for a company selling an alternative product to pollys
pastels? Are you getting my drift :0)
FWIW every one of my cages has a pollys pastels perch in. Some are
several years old and have been put through the dishwasher often to
clean them. Not one of the birds has ever had sore feet. It is my
understanding that only wet cement leaches lime. Once it has set and
weathered nothing leaches. I may be wrong but my own experience say not.
The perches get soaked when I spray the birds as I do it with a knapsack
sprayer and thoroughly soak them down to the skin. Too many birds to do
it with a small plant mister. I would use up one for each cage and get
sore hands from the effort :0)
Lily Mae - 29 Apr 2004 17:50 GMT
> > | > I heard that the
> > | > cement perches can cause their feet to become sore if the perches
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> it with a small plant mister. I would use up one for each cage and get
> sore hands from the effort :0)

I aught to check into something like that to spray my 7 cages. The arthritis
is mostly in my hands and they hurt as I type now from the spraying an hour
ago. What do you mean by knapsack sprayer? In other words who makes it?
Thanks
Lily Mae
Marco - 29 Apr 2004 18:49 GMT
> I aught to check into something like that to spray my 7 cages. The
> arthritis
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks
> Lily Mae

I don't know where you are, but in the US you can find a pump sprayer at
the home improvement stores,(such as Lowe's or Home Depot) in the garden
section, for about $20. Fill it up with water, pump it a few times and
spray away. Surely beats squeezing the trigger on the spray bottle about
1000 per bird. :)

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good golly Ms Molly - 30 Apr 2004 12:32 GMT
> > I aught to check into something like that to spray my 7 cages. The
> > arthritis
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> spray away. Surely beats squeezing the trigger on the spray bottle about
> 1000 per bird. :)

That's the one MArco. Mine however holds a lot of water and you put it
on your back like a knapsack so to move about with it as my cages are in
2 rooms.
They are normally used for spraying nasty chemicals in gardens etc.
Lily Mae - 30 Apr 2004 12:46 GMT
> > I aught to check into something like that to spray my 7 cages. The
> > arthritis
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> spray away. Surely beats squeezing the trigger on the spray bottle about
> 1000 per bird. :)

Thanks, I'm traveling near a Home Depot today.
Lily Mae
Pizza Gurl - 01 May 2004 02:44 GMT
Make sure the damn thing is labelled correctly and boldly. If it gets
pesticdes in it ever, it may kill your beloved pet.

Bad idea generally to use a potentially lethal setup like this. If a spec of
dirt comes out at that pressure, or the spray nozzle came off or was
maladjusted you may injure your pet's eyes or body.

> > > I aught to check into something like that to spray my 7 cages. The
> > > arthritis
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Thanks, I'm traveling near a Home Depot today.
> Lily Mae
Mark Wilson - 01 May 2004 05:29 GMT
But!

x/y + speed of dirt = omega 3
therefore y is safe because x is a constant, whereby the speet of dirt is
relative to x, and omega3 is your Tiel's health with respect to the PG
factor. The PG factor being how fast a ceiling fan can spin safely with a
Tiel on board.

Caution: The P factor is subjective and unstable and extreme caution must be
used when dealing with it.

There. My mathematical equation proves it is safe to use a spray bottle.
Just because I say so. So there. :-P
It's called Pizza-logic.

> Make sure the damn thing is labelled correctly and boldly. If it gets
> pesticdes in it ever, it may kill your beloved pet.
>
> Bad idea generally to use a potentially lethal setup like this. If a spec of
> dirt comes out at that pressure, or the spray nozzle came off or was
> maladjusted you may injure your pet's eyes or body.
Marco - 01 May 2004 11:23 GMT
> But!
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Just because I say so. So there. :-P
> It's called Pizza-logic.

Ah, but you missed something Mark, remember that if you're going to come
up with that equation, you need to substitute 'spray bottle' with
something completely unrelated and irrelevant to the case scenario, like
"watermelon". Don't you recall her speed/ceiling fan equation was factored
in with "wood ducks" not cockatiels.

LOL

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Mark Wilson - 02 May 2004 01:42 GMT
> Ah, but you missed something Mark, remember that if you're going to come
> up with that equation, you need to substitute 'spray bottle' with
> something completely unrelated and irrelevant to the case scenario, like
> "watermelon". Don't you recall her speed/ceiling fan equation was factored
> in with "wood ducks" not cockatiels.

OOOHHH That's right!!!

Sorry - I should also mention that the equation is designed with the use of
a fireman's hose - not a spray bottle, so you have to factor in the
watermelon and the 6 capers in vinegar, which can make your Tiel's bum
tingle.

Firehose speed = Caper tingle + Rehydration from Watermelon
There. That should slot in nicely.
Oh and yes, you also need to replace your Cockatiel with a Cassowary.
peterbraindead - 01 May 2004 16:53 GMT
> But!
>
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>
> Nice one Mark
Marco - 01 May 2004 11:17 GMT
> Make sure the damn thing is labelled correctly and boldly. If it gets
> pesticdes in it ever, it may kill your beloved pet.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> dirt comes out at that pressure, or the spray nozzle came off or was
> maladjusted you may injure your pet's eyes or body.

Lyli Mae,
Disregard Pizza Face's idiotic post. She doesn't know what she's talking
about. These pump sprayers we're taking about are sold NEW and CLEAN,
absolutely no pesticides in them whatsoever. These pump sprayers give out
a fine mist or shower, there's nothing 'lethal' about them. Since you're
only filling them up with water there's as much chance of it spraying out
a 'spec of dirt' as there is of you spraying out an elephant out of it.

Maybe she's thinking of the pressure washers the orderlies at her mental
institution use so hose her skanky self down before luckup.

I've been using these pump sprayers for years and the only accident
occurred when I dropped the thing on my foot. :)

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good golly Ms Molly - 01 May 2004 11:55 GMT
> > Make sure the damn thing is labelled correctly and boldly. If it gets
> > pesticdes in it ever, it may kill your beloved pet.
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> I've been using these pump sprayers for years and the only accident
> occurred when I dropped the thing on my foot. :)

Oh you bad bad marco. I wet myself laughing at your riposte <titter>
peterbraindead - 01 May 2004 16:55 GMT
> > > Make sure the damn thing is labelled correctly and boldly. If it gets
> > > pesticdes in it ever, it may kill your beloved pet.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> >
> PG is washed down with a steam pressure washer as its the only thing that can get some of the dirt
of the low life.
THE Old Man - 02 May 2004 05:36 GMT
>> Make sure the damn thing is labelled correctly and boldly. If it gets
>> pesticdes in it ever, it may kill your beloved pet.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>I've been using these pump sprayers for years and the only accident
>occurred when I dropped the thing on my foot. :)
There is one point to consider when purchasing one.  Many times ...
often! ... people buy them, use them and then return them with some
off the wall excuse and get a refund.  The item gets a cursory
cleaning, usually the outside, and put back into stock.  And one being
in a shrink wrapped box is not an indication of an unused product.

When you get it home and open the box your nose will be a good
"pre-used product detector".  Just be careful.

I bought one for insect control of some roses and almost immediately
the roses began shriveling.  I took the sprayer to the Extension
Service and they ascertained that it had traces of weed killer.  So,
someone had used it to spray their yard with Weed-b-gone, didn't need
it again and returned it to XXXXXXX.  They shrinkwrapped it and put it
back in stock!!!

   Donald from Mississippi
South of Canada and 300 Yards North Of Gulf Of Mexico!
   
Pizza Gurl - 02 May 2004 05:47 GMT
According to the hairbrains here this accident could never happen.

> I bought one for insect control of some roses and almost immediately
> the roses began shriveling.  I took the sprayer to the Extension
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>     Donald from Mississippi
> South of Canada and 300 Yards North Of Gulf Of Mexico!
Marco - 02 May 2004 13:02 GMT
> According to the hairbrains here this accident could never happen.

Miss Fatty Canadian Bacon,
Just like your birds could never be hurt by your ceiling fans? Eh?
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petersinglebraincell - 03 May 2004 00:10 GMT
> According to the hairbrains here this accident could never happen.
>
> But it did, and you were born.Werent you PG? Born?
Marco - 02 May 2004 13:00 GMT
>>> Make sure the damn thing is labelled correctly and boldly. If it gets
>>> pesticdes in it ever, it may kill your beloved pet.
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> it again and returned it to XXXXXXX.  They shrinkwrapped it and put it
> back in stock!!!

New and unused (which is what you should buy) are completely safe to use.

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good golly Ms Molly - 01 May 2004 11:54 GMT
> Make sure the damn thing is labelled correctly and boldly. If it gets
> pesticdes in it ever, it may kill your beloved pet.
>
> Bad idea generally to use a potentially lethal setup like this. If a spec of
> dirt comes out at that pressure, or the spray nozzle came off or was
> maladjusted you may injure your pet's eyes or body.

What a silly thing to say. If the sprayer is kept in the average home
where would dirt get into it? Speaks volumes for the way you keep house
fatty.
Mark Wilson - 02 May 2004 01:44 GMT
Fair go Pam, she DOES live under a bridge after all!

> > Make sure the damn thing is labelled correctly and boldly. If it gets
> > pesticdes in it ever, it may kill your beloved pet.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> where would dirt get into it? Speaks volumes for the way you keep house
> fatty.
Pizza Gurl - 02 May 2004 06:05 GMT
Get rid of the arthritis. Stop consuming wheat and gluten products. Not good
for a Blood Type O person.

> > > | > I heard that the
> > > | > cement perches can cause their feet to become sore if the perches
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> Thanks
> Lily Mae
Marco - 02 May 2004 12:56 GMT
> Get rid of the arthritis. Stop consuming wheat and gluten products. Not
> good
> for a Blood Type O person.

Fatty Mc Troll giving diet advice! HA!

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Mark Wilson - 03 May 2004 02:21 GMT
ROFL @ Fatty Mc Troll

Good one Marco :-D
They say small things amuse small minds - but I disagree. The complex mind
is still capable of enjoying a cheap laugh and that just hit the spot :-)

> Fatty Mc Troll giving diet advice! HA!
good golly Ms Molly - 03 May 2004 16:32 GMT
> Get rid of the arthritis. Stop consuming wheat and gluten products. Not good
> for a Blood Type O person.

please go to see your doctor PG. You need your med's upped.
I have arthritis because I have literally worn my joints out through
doing heavy work all my life. You ought to try it. It's what keeps me
slim. And I am not type 'O' blood in any case.
petersinglebraincell - 03 May 2004 17:24 GMT
PG works hard Pam. She works the docks and the street corners.
.

> > Get rid of the arthritis. Stop consuming wheat and gluten products. Not good
> > for a Blood Type O person.
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> doing heavy work all my life. You ought to try it. It's what keeps me
> slim. And I am not type 'O' blood in any case.
Pizza Gurl - 03 May 2004 22:00 GMT
Joints do not wear out from work, they get stronger and healthier.

You are so full of sh.t with everything you say here.

> > Get rid of the arthritis. Stop consuming wheat and gluten products. Not good
> > for a Blood Type O person.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> doing heavy work all my life. You ought to try it. It's what keeps me
> slim. And I am not type 'O' blood in any case.
LadyTech - 03 May 2004 22:17 GMT
| Joints do not wear out from work, they get stronger and healthier.
|
| You are so full of sh.t with everything you say here.

Do you have any scientific proof they don't wear out from work?
petersinglebraincell - 04 May 2004 00:28 GMT
> | Joints do not wear out from work, they get stronger and healthier.
> |
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> She could ask her doctor in the asylum.
Pizza Gurl - 04 May 2004 01:37 GMT
Do you have any scientific proof they do wear out from work?

If I presented double blinded, peer reviewed, repeatable studies indicating
success by leaps and bounds over placebo, would you believe it anyway or do
what the other trolls do here and giggle like 8 year olds and call me names
because you have no defence?

> | Joints do not wear out from work, they get stronger and healthier.
> |
> | You are so full of sh.t with everything you say here.
>
> Do you have any scientific proof they don't wear out from work?
LadyTech - 04 May 2004 02:02 GMT
| Do you have any scientific proof they do wear out from work?
|
| If I presented double blinded, peer reviewed, repeatable studies indicating
| success by leaps and bounds over placebo, would you believe it anyway or do
| what the other trolls do here and giggle like 8 year olds and call me names
| because you have no defence?

Shut up.... I don't want to hear your BS anyway!
Pizza Gurl - 04 May 2004 02:39 GMT
LOL...right on cue...good one!

> | Do you have any scientific proof they do wear out from work?
> |
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>
> Shut up.... I don't want to hear your BS anyway!
LadyTech - 04 May 2004 03:10 GMT
| LOL...right on cue...good one!

Seriously I don't want to hear it....
Pizza Gurl - 04 May 2004 22:37 GMT
Do you go into crowded rooms and yell at people demanding silence too?

> | LOL...right on cue...good one!
>
> Seriously I don't want to hear it....
Ray - 04 May 2004 22:55 GMT
> Do you go into crowded rooms and yell at people demanding silence too?
>
> You really are mentally unstable PG you fat slab of canadian bacon
LadyTech - 05 May 2004 03:29 GMT
| Do you go into crowded rooms and yell at people demanding silence too?

You are just plain weird.... I never yell at anyone, only if they are
annoying, like you are.
Pizza Gurl - 05 May 2004 03:19 GMT
I guess you failed Logic 101 then. Did you take the 3 night computer basics
course and now you do basic data entry on a BIG computer or what?

> | Do you go into crowded rooms and yell at people demanding silence too?
>
> You are just plain weird.... I never yell at anyone, only if they are
> annoying, like you are.
Mark Wilson - 05 May 2004 05:20 GMT
> I guess you failed Logic 101 then. Did you take the 3 night computer basics
> course and now you do basic data entry on a BIG computer or what?

Pizza Girl has a Ph. D. in Usenet Trolling.
Perhaps we should call her Dr. Ho....
petertit - 05 May 2004 17:04 GMT
> I guess you failed Logic 101 then. Did you take the 3 night computer basics
> course and now you do basic data entry on a BIG computer or what?
>
> I hear you take basic entry PG. Kinky is extra.
LadyTech - 06 May 2004 20:05 GMT
| I guess you failed Logic 101 then. Did you take the 3 night computer basics
| course and now you do basic data entry on a BIG computer or what?

Obviously you have a BIG problem!

I never took a 3 night computer basics course *LOL*
Funny, I passed all of my courses with a 94% average and over...... What
planet are you on? *LMAO*
Pizza Gurl - 06 May 2004 23:16 GMT
You gota 94% in Home Economics and you don't know the internet doesn't
extend past earth yet?

> | I guess you failed Logic 101 then. Did you take the 3 night computer
> basics
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Funny, I passed all of my courses with a 94% average and over...... What
> planet are you on? *LMAO*
LadyTech - 08 May 2004 20:23 GMT
| You gota 94% in Home Economics and you don't know the internet doesn't
| extend past earth yet?

Home Ec? I don't think so... If I remember right, I never took that
course, genius.
LadyTech - 11 May 2004 01:16 GMT
| and you don't know the internet doesn't
| extend past earth yet?

No sh.t Sherlock! I thought it did, DUH!
Pizza Gurl - 06 May 2004 23:54 GMT
I have also noted your math skills are not too good. This is rather unusual
for a computer geek, isn't it?

> | I guess you failed Logic 101 then. Did you take the 3 night computer
> basics
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Funny, I passed all of my courses with a 94% average and over...... What
> planet are you on? *LMAO*
LadyTech - 08 May 2004 20:07 GMT
| I have also noted your math skills are not too good. This is rather unusual
| for a computer geek, isn't it?

How the hell do you know what my math skills are? *LOL*
Pizza Gurl - 09 May 2004 00:58 GMT
Obviously you are not a math type person because even after your post
indicating such, you still can't recognize the mathematically logic errors
you stated.

I doubt you do more than data entry with a keyboard  at that rate. Not in
your cards, so to speak....LOL

> | I have also noted your math skills are not too good. This is rather
> unusual
> | for a computer geek, isn't it?
>
> How the hell do you know what my math skills are? *LOL*
Mark Wilson - 09 May 2004 06:52 GMT
Pizza Girl - you make NO SENSE to ANYBODY.
GO AWAY.

> Obviously you are not a math type person because even after your post
> indicating such, you still can't recognize the mathematically logic errors
> you stated.
>
> I doubt you do more than data entry with a keyboard  at that rate. Not in
> your cards, so to speak....LOL
LadyTech - 10 May 2004 01:03 GMT
| Obviously you are not a math type person because even after your post
| indicating such, you still can't recognize the mathematically logic errors
| you stated.

WTF are you talking about "mathematically logic errors" that I stated?

| I doubt you do more than data entry with a keyboard  at that rate. Not in
| your cards, so to speak....LOL

Um, it appears you have NO idea of what I actually do when it comes to
computers.... I also do web design on top of being a technican. My
advice, stick to doing your research and stay out of others business.
Pizza Gurl - 10 May 2004 01:56 GMT
Point and match....ROFLMFAO. (best thing is you still don't get it)...LOL

> | Obviously you are not a math type person because even after your
> post
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> computers.... I also do web design on top of being a technican. My
> advice, stick to doing your research and stay out of others business.
LadyTech - 10 May 2004 02:24 GMT
| Point and match....ROFLMFAO. (best thing is you still don't get it)...LOL

Heh, funny because I can make $200 on just one job troubleshooting a
computer.... not too shabby for what you consider as a "dummy."

Actually I don't understand anything you say! *LOL*
I'm not the only one.
Pizza Gurl - 10 May 2004 05:06 GMT
$200? That's it? I can make $50K troubleshooting the equipment I work on,
but then I can save them millions with one decision.

> | Point and match....ROFLMFAO. (best thing is you still don't get
> it)...LOL
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Actually I don't understand anything you say! *LOL*
> I'm not the only one.
Mark Wilson - 10 May 2004 08:56 GMT
> $200? That's it? I can make $50K troubleshooting the equipment I work on,
> but then I can save them millions with one decision.

Sure sure.....*WE* believe you.
Just keep taking you medcine and the men in the white van will be there
soon.
huckertit - 10 May 2004 15:25 GMT
> $200? That's it? I can make $50K troubleshooting the equipment I work on,
> but then I can save them millions with one decision.
>
> Theres no way you can make that much money trawling the streets PG.
LadyTech - 11 May 2004 00:42 GMT
| $200? That's it? I can make $50K troubleshooting the equipment I work on,
| but then I can save them millions with one decision.

Yeah and so can I, but I work for a small company.

But, seeing you are above us all on your expertise on everything, I
guess thats makes you better than me or anyone else.
Pizza Gurl - 11 May 2004 02:25 GMT
Not really. What makes me better is you.

> | $200? That's it? I can make $50K troubleshooting the equipment I
> work on,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> But, seeing you are above us all on your expertise on everything, I
> guess thats makes you better than me or anyone else.
LadyTech - 11 May 2004 02:56 GMT
| Not really. What makes me better is you.

Oh stop being so jealous!
LadyTech - 11 May 2004 03:48 GMT
| | $200? That's it? I can make $50K troubleshooting the equipment I
| work on,
| | but then I can save them millions with one decision.

Forgot to mention the $200 goes in MY pocket, and thats only an hour
job.
huckertit - 11 May 2004 10:07 GMT
> | | $200? That's it? I can make $50K troubleshooting the equipment I
> | work on,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> It would take PG 6 months to earn that on the streets.
Mark Wilson - 10 May 2004 08:54 GMT
> Heh, funny because I can make $200 on just one job troubleshooting a
> computer.... not too shabby for what you consider as a "dummy."

lol - imagine how many people PG would have to pick up on the corner to make
that much money....
Mark Wilson - 10 May 2004 08:53 GMT
> Point and match....ROFLMFAO. (best thing is you still don't get it)...LOL

Nobody gets your pointless nonsense, Pizza Girl. You are just a waste of
space.
LadyTech - 11 May 2004 01:27 GMT
| Point and match....ROFLMFAO. (best thing is you still don't get it)...LOL

Oh I get it alright.... stick the logic 101 up your a.s!
Should I bow to you now Ms. Royalty?
Pizza Gurl - 11 May 2004 02:26 GMT
How often do you get it? That is the real question here.

> | Point and match....ROFLMFAO. (best thing is you still don't get
> it)...LOL
>
> Oh I get it alright.... stick the logic 101 up your a.s!
> Should I bow to you now Ms. Royalty?
LadyTech - 11 May 2004 02:57 GMT
| How often do you get it? That is the real question here.

Every single damn time! Now go play in traffic!
Tim - 10 May 2004 02:04 GMT
> Obviously you are not a math type person because even after your post
> indicating such, you still can't recognize the mathematically logic errors
> you stated.
>
> I doubt you do more than data entry with a keyboard  at that rate. Not in
> your cards, so to speak....LOL

You sure are a dumb a.s! More crap you pulled out of your a.s!
huckertit - 10 May 2004 15:23 GMT
> Obviously you are not a math type person because even after your post
> indicating such, you still can't recognize the mathematically logic errors
> you stated.
>
> You know your math PG. You have to know what your clients are paying you!!
Tim - 10 May 2004 02:06 GMT
> I have also noted your math skills are not too good. This is rather unusual
> for a computer geek, isn't it?

You're wrong, Einstein, the only math skills that are needed for a
tech is Algebra. I would recommend keeping your piehole shut because
you know nothing about anything.
Pizza Gurl - 10 May 2004 05:10 GMT
Who the f.ck is this idiot newbie?

Oh Geeez...Markhole the lifeless troll again?

> > I have also noted your math skills are not too good. This is rather unusual
> > for a computer geek, isn't it?
> >
> You're wrong, Einstein, the only math skills that are needed for a
> tech is Algebra. I would recommend keeping your piehole shut because
> you know nothing about anything.
Mark Wilson - 10 May 2004 09:00 GMT
> Who the f.ck is this idiot newbie?
>
> Oh Geeez...Markhole the lifeless troll again?

***ROFLMAO***

You really have ***NO IDEA***
I think I have said this before but....
If all the village idiots had to leave their villages and form their own
village - of idiots - YOU would be the villiage idiot in the villiage of
idiots.

I can't comprehend the extent of your stupidity. You have to be THE most
delusional ***freak*** I have ever seen.

It is funny and sad at the same time.
huckertit - 10 May 2004 15:26 GMT
> Who the f.ck is this idiot newbie?
>
> Makes more sense than you do PG you low life slab of Canadian bacon.
LadyTech - 11 May 2004 00:50 GMT
| Who the f.ck is this idiot newbie?
|
| Oh Geeez...Markhole the lifeless troll again?

I doubt it's a troll.... no one can top the trolling like you do!
Marco - 11 May 2004 01:05 GMT
> Who the f.ck is this idiot newbie?

Well, since you are such a freaking expert, you tell us!

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Mark Wilson - 05 May 2004 05:15 GMT
I agree. And actually LT, I don't think you have even yelled at PG! So yet
again, she has just proved she is a compulsive liar.
One wonders how people like this are allowed to remain in civilised
society......

> | Do you go into crowded rooms and yell at people demanding silence too?
>
> You are just plain weird.... I never yell at anyone, only if they are
> annoying, like you are.
petersinglebraincell - 04 May 2004 16:03 GMT
> LOL...right on cue...good one!
>
> Yes it was, now do as your told PG and shut up you TROLL
> >
> > Shut up.... I don't want to hear your BS anyway!
Mark Wilson - 04 May 2004 07:17 GMT
WHO CARES.

> Do you have any scientific proof they do wear out from work?
>
> If I presented double blinded, peer reviewed, repeatable studies indicating
> success by leaps and bounds over placebo, would you believe it anyway or do
> what the other trolls do here and giggle like 8 year olds and call me names
> because you have no defence?
petersinglebraincell - 04 May 2004 16:04 GMT
> WHO CARES.
>
> >ME
petersinglebraincell - 04 May 2004 16:02 GMT
> Do you have any scientific proof they do wear out from work?
>
> If I presented double blinded, peer reviewed, repeatable studies indicating
> success by leaps and bounds over placebo, would you believe it anyway or do
> what the other trolls do here and giggle like 8 year olds and call me names
> because you have no defence?

> We call you names because you are an IDIOT PG.
Marco - 03 May 2004 22:28 GMT
> Joints do not wear out from work, they get stronger and healthier.

http://www.bodyandfitness.com/Information/Injuries/jointpain.htm

"Osteoarthritis is the result of a series of small injuries that occur
over a long period of time. Years of hard work and overuse (like constant
typing or incessant use of one motion in a sport, such as a golf swing or
tennis serve) cause tiny fractures in the joint's cartilage and underlying
bone, and the joint begins to deteriorate."

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good golly Ms Molly - 05 May 2004 13:26 GMT
> > Joints do not wear out from work, they get stronger and healthier.
>
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> tennis serve) cause tiny fractures in the joint's cartilage and underlying
> bone, and the joint begins to deteriorate."

That's the one. I used to do daft things like carry a 56 lb sack of
spuds on each shoulder, and when I had my antique shop, would move heavy
furniture by myself and lift washing machines and stuff. I have always
been a small woman, never more than about 120 lbs and 5 foot 2 inches,
so it stands to reason I was never build for such work. In short I
abused my body simply because I enjoy hard physical work.
Perhaps if pizzaface tried it, she might lose some weight?
petertit - 05 May 2004 17:06 GMT
> > PG gets others to abuse her body.
> >
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> abused my body simply because I enjoy hard physical work.
>  Perhaps if pizzaface tried it, she might lose some weight?
petersinglebraincell - 04 May 2004 00:27 GMT
> Joints do not wear out from work, they get stronger and healthier.
>
> You are so full of sh.t with everything you say here.
>
> And so are you PG, your arse is on your neck.
Mark Wilson - 04 May 2004 07:19 GMT
> Joints do not wear out from work, they get stronger and healthier.

Ok so what is Repetitive Stress Injury (RSI) ?? Care to enlighten us all ??
Or were you just mouthing off with your usual unsubstantiated tripe? Thought
so.
good golly Ms Molly - 05 May 2004 13:19 GMT
> Joints do not wear out from work, they get stronger and healthier.

Well it seems you know better than my rheumatologist then. Perhaps you
ought to write a medical paper on your findings which are contrary to
present scientific data.
Dope.
Pizza Gurl - 05 May 2004 22:14 GMT
Just that fact that you see a Rheumatologist tells me you are full of sh.t.
These specialist deal with muscles and tendon and not joints. Arthritis does
not occur in soft tissues. On the other hand rheumatism is a very old term
dropped about 20 years ago, It is now referred to as fibrositis or sometimes
fibromyalgia.

Bullshit somebody else moron.

> > Joints do not wear out from work, they get stronger and healthier.
> >
>  Well it seems you know better than my rheumatologist then. Perhaps you
> ought to write a medical paper on your findings which are contrary to
> present scientific data.
> Dope.
Mark Wilson - 05 May 2004 23:03 GMT
> Just that fact that you see a Rheumatologist tells me you are full of sh.t.
> These specialist deal with muscles and tendon and not joints. Arthritis does
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>
> Bullshit somebody else moron.

Actually you are wrong *yet again*

Rheumatologists DO deal with joints and arthritis.
Rheumatism is arthritis and in the joints. Fibrositis and fibromyalgia are
in the muscles and tendons.
Nice try, but you still don't have a shred of credibility here.
In future PG, before you mouth off with your crap, stop and think there are
people here who have a clue.
Marco - 06 May 2004 02:57 GMT
> Just that fact that you see a Rheumatologist tells me you are full of
> sh.t.
> These specialist deal with muscles and tendon and not joints.

*Ahem*
From the American College of Rheumatology:

"A rheumatologist is an internist or pediatrician who is qualified by
additional training and experience in the diagnosis and treatment of
arthritis and other diseases of the joints, muscles and bones."

http://www.rheumatology.org/public/rheumatologist.asp?aud=pat

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Mark Wilson - 06 May 2004 05:43 GMT
I'm starting to think Pizza Girl is from Rand McNally, where you wear you
hat on your feet and hamburgers eat people....
She has an inbuilt defect which makes her go the opposite way to reality all
the time.

> > Just that fact that you see a Rheumatologist tells me you are full of
> > sh.t.
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>
> http://www.rheumatology.org/public/rheumatologist.asp?aud=pat
good golly Ms Molly - 07 May 2004 12:40 GMT
> > Just that fact that you see a Rheumatologist tells me you are full of
> > sh.t.
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>
> http://www.rheumatology.org/public/rheumatologist.asp?aud=pat

pssst. Don't tell my rheumatologist that I lifted some 30 heavy paving
slabs and relaid a path yesterday.I hurt like crazy today but my it
looks nice outside :0)
Try doing some heavy graft PG and you too can have a body like mine lol.
Pizza Gurl - 07 May 2004 21:52 GMT
Well, ya' got me on that one! You should take it easier on your joints and
build up to this heavy stuff, use propoer equipment or get a professional to
do it. Heavy exercise is good for the joints but exerting them beyond their
trained capabilities only agravates this crap.

You should be able to afford somebody esle to do it with your settlement and
your  poggy cheques.

> > > Just that fact that you see a Rheumatologist tells me you are full of
> > > sh.t.
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> looks nice outside :0)
> Try doing some heavy graft PG and you too can have a body like mine lol.
good golly Ms Molly - 08 May 2004 15:53 GMT
> Well, ya' got me on that one! You should take it easier on your joints and
> build up to this heavy stuff, use propoer equipment or get a professional to
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> You should be able to afford somebody esle to do it with your settlement and
> your  poggy cheques.

I have no idea what a settlement or poggy cheque is. Since you are the
expert here, would you care to explain?
Pizza Gurl - 09 May 2004 00:59 GMT
LOL. oooops, wrong area. The dole.

> > Well, ya' got me on that one! You should take it easier on your joints and
> > build up to this heavy stuff, use propoer equipment or get a professional to
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>  I have no idea what a settlement or poggy cheque is. Since you are the
> expert here, would you care to explain?
good golly Ms Molly - 10 May 2004 12:24 GMT
> LOL. oooops, wrong area. The dole.

Shows what you know then eh PG. I am not on 'the dole'. Never have
been.Personally I don't have a problem with anyone being on the dole if
they are unemployed and unable to find work. It is what civilised living
is all about you see. People work and pay taxes to help those unable to
help themselves. I have never begrudged paying taxes.
I will accept you as being the expert in the field of 'dole' though.
Pizza Gurl - 10 May 2004 22:56 GMT
Just ask your son.

> > LOL. oooops, wrong area. The dole.
> >
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> help themselves. I have never begrudged paying taxes.
> I will accept you as being the expert in the field of 'dole' though.
good golly Ms Molly - 11 May 2004 15:39 GMT
> Just ask your son.
Try again dipstick. Not only is my son in full time employment in one
of the university libraries in the city of Cambridge, but he is working
at nightschool to retrain in a different profession.
He has never been on the dole either. Once again, I will have to bow to
your obvious experience. I am sorry that my son's and my lack of
experience at being unemployable make you feel inferior but if the cap
fits............

> > > LOL. oooops, wrong area. The dole.
> > >
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> > help themselves. I have never begrudged paying taxes.
> > I will accept you as being the expert in the field of 'dole' though.
Mark Wilson - 12 May 2004 00:06 GMT
She's such a scum-sucking bottom feeder isn't she Pam? Not content with
trolling, she has to go even lower to try to get a bite and has resorted to
trying to insult you by making lameass comments about your son. What sane
adult would be so childish? I am thinking this troll is no more than a
spoilt brat of a child who has a computer in his/her bedroom.

> > Just ask your son.

>  Try again dipstick. Not only is my son in full time employment in one
> of the university libraries in the city of Cambridge, but he is working
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> experience at being unemployable make you feel inferior but if the cap
> fits............
good golly Ms Molly - 12 May 2004 15:17 GMT
> She's such a scum-sucking bottom feeder isn't she Pam? Not content with
> trolling, she has to go even lower to try to get a bite and has resorted to
> trying to insult you by making lameass comments about your son. What sane
> adult would be so childish? I am thinking this troll is no more than a
> spoilt brat of a child who has a computer in his/her bedroom.

If she thought she would get to me  by trying to insult my son, she was
mistaken. You see, my son is a nice man who works hard, and is
respectful and attentive to both his rather attractive girlfriend, and
me, his mother. He is intelligent and works very hard at his job, and
training for his new career, plus doing voluntary work for various
agencies, mainly to do with the environment (like greenpeace).
I think the fact that this is so far removed from her own life that she
gets chewed up with envy about him and tries to needle me. It doesn't
work though because I am enormously proud of my son.
Pizza Gurl - 12 May 2004 23:46 GMT
She/he should be proud of her son. The greasy biker did better than she/he
did in life despite the hateful emvironment.

> > She's such a scum-sucking bottom feeder isn't she Pam? Not content with
> > trolling, she has to go even lower to try to get a bite and has resorted to
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> gets chewed up with envy about him and tries to needle me. It doesn't
> work though because I am enormously proud of my son.
Mark Wilson - 13 May 2004 00:48 GMT
> She/he should be proud of her son. The greasy biker did better than she/he
> did in life despite the hateful emvironment.

Speaking of hateful, PG, why are you so hate filled?
huckitit - 13 May 2004 01:03 GMT
> > She/he should be proud of her son. The greasy biker did better than she/he
> > did in life despite the hateful emvironment.
>
> Speaking of hateful, PG, why are you so hate filled?
>
> prositutes often are hate filled. and PG is often filled..
huckertit - 10 May 2004 15:24 GMT
> LOL. oooops, wrong area. The dole.
>
>> Low life PG
petertit - 06 May 2004 12:14 GMT
> Just that fact that you see a Rheumatologist tells me you are full of sh.t.
> These specialist deal with muscles and tendon and not joints. Arthritis does
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>
> Bullshit  moron PG
LadyTech - 06 May 2004 20:59 GMT
| It sucks to be you, moron.
petertit - 07 May 2004 00:17 GMT
> | It sucks to be you, moron.
>
> PG sucks all the time, 25c a time!!
LadyTech - 04 May 2004 00:04 GMT
| Get rid of the arthritis. Stop consuming wheat and gluten products. Not good
| for a Blood Type O person.

Practice what you preach!
Pizza Gurl - 04 May 2004 01:37 GMT
I do (most of the time)

> | Get rid of the arthritis. Stop consuming wheat and gluten products.
> Not good
> | for a Blood Type O person.
>
> Practice what you preach!
LadyTech - 03 May 2004 21:38 GMT
| > | > I heard that the
| > | > cement perches can cause their feet to become sore if the perches
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| it with a small plant mister. I would use up one for each cage and get
| sore hands from the effort :0)

You got me there! :-) Yes it was selling an alternative to pollys
pastels! I am glad you answered my post and cleared up the cement and
sore feet thing for me :-)
Polly pastels I am getting then ;-)
Steve - 27 Apr 2004 08:01 GMT
> And if so, how often?
>
> Also, has anyone had a sandy perch instead of a cement perch? I am
> going to purchase a sandy perch sometime and was wondering what you
> thought about them? I've heard they are better to use.

Yes.
As often as they need it.
In my experience with a few different kinds of birds and concrete perches,
how often varies quite a bit.  My BFA is about 4 1/2 years old and I have
never clipped his nails vs my lovebirds which need their nails clipped about
once a year or so.

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Lily Mae - 27 Apr 2004 12:33 GMT
> And if so, how often?
>
> Also, has anyone had a sandy perch instead of a cement perch? I am
> going to purchase a sandy perch sometime and was wondering what you
> thought about them? I've heard they are better to use.

I have both types of perches and other assorted wooden but still
occasionally have to get the clipped, just not as much.
Lily Mae
Tiels R Cool - 27 Apr 2004 15:50 GMT
> > And if so, how often?
> >
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> occasionally have to get the clipped, just not as much.
> Lily Mae

Same here, a select few need trimmed on occasion,.. you can tell if they are
getting a bit long by the punture wounds they leave behind. hehe
LadyTech - 28 Apr 2004 00:38 GMT
| > > And if so, how often?
| > >
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| Same here, a select few need trimmed on occasion,.. you can tell if they are
| getting a bit long by the punture wounds they leave behind. hehe

Then he needs them cut! I already have the puncture wounds on my
shoulders and fingers :-)
Roger Scott - 27 Apr 2004 20:55 GMT
Hi, yes I use the sandpaper covers for my bird's perch.  It works
wonders keeping his nails trimmed.  Really the tips of the bird's nails
are all that need trimmed.  Once the nails are cut too close, bleeding
can occur.
Sugar's mom in Virginia

> And if so, how often?
>
> Also, has anyone had a sandy perch instead of a cement perch? I am
> going to purchase a sandy perch sometime and was wondering what you
> thought about them? I've heard they are better to use.
LadyTech - 28 Apr 2004 00:37 GMT
| Hi, yes I use the sandpaper covers for my bird's perch.  It works
| wonders keeping his nails trimmed.  Really the tips of the bird's nails
| are all that need trimmed.  Once the nails are cut too close, bleeding
| can occur.
| Sugar's mom in Virginia

I know all too well about the bleeding, so I NEVER do it myself.... it
just makes me nervous, so I'll take him to the Vet.

I don't use the sandpaper cover on the perches because all he does is
chew them up anyway.

| > And if so, how often?
| >
| > Also, has anyone had a sandy perch instead of a cement perch? I am
| > going to purchase a sandy perch sometime and was wondering what you
| > thought about them? I've heard they are better to use.
good golly Ms Molly - 28 Apr 2004 19:20 GMT
> Hi, yes I use the sandpaper covers for my bird's perch.  It works
> wonders keeping his nails trimmed.  Really the tips of the bird's nails
> are all that need trimmed.  Once the nails are cut too close, bleeding
> can occur.
> Sugar's mom in Virginia

Those sandpaper perch covers are dreadful and cause bumblefoot.
Roger Scott - 29 Apr 2004 21:01 GMT
What the good golly is bumblefoot?

> > Hi, yes I use the sandpaper covers for my bird's perch.  It works
> > wonders keeping his nails trimmed.  Really the tips of the bird's nails
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> >
>  Those sandpaper perch covers are dreadful and cause bumblefoot.
good golly Ms Molly - 30 Apr 2004 12:30 GMT
> What the good golly is bumblefoot?
google is your friend. Sheesh are you so idle that you cannot do a
search all by yourself ?
Mark Wilson - 01 May 2004 01:01 GMT
> > What the good golly is bumblefoot?
> google is your friend. Sheesh are you so idle that you cannot do a
> search all by yourself ?

Are you so mean that you can't answer a simple question?
Come on Pam, I've kept my mouth shut lately, and have even found myself
amused at some of your posts, but that was just plain evil. Be a bitch if
you wish, but be reasonable.
good golly Ms Molly - 01 May 2004 11:53 GMT
> > > What the good golly is bumblefoot?
> > google is your friend. Sheesh are you so idle that you cannot do a
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> amused at some of your posts, but that was just plain evil. Be a bitch if
> you wish, but be reasonable.

I *could* have typed an long explanation, I could also have done a
google seach and posted a link but IMO if someone is not even prepared
to search for themselves, they are showing no dedication to the care and
welfare of their pet.
I admit to being bitchy but don't think my reply was unreasonable at
all.
Pizza Gurl - 01 May 2004 20:34 GMT
I guess you just didn't say the imaginary magic words Molly was looking for.

         We're not worthy!!!
                                   We're not worthy!!!
                                                     We're not worthy!!!
                                                                 We're not
worthy!!!

> > > > What the good golly is bumblefoot?
> > > google is your friend. Sheesh are you so idle that you cannot do a
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> I admit to being bitchy but don't think my reply was unreasonable at
> all.
petersinglebraincell - 03 May 2004 00:09 GMT
> I guess you just didn't say the imaginary magic words Molly was looking for.
>
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>
> PGs not worth a dime
Mark Wilson - 02 May 2004 01:45 GMT
> I *could* have typed an long explanation, I could also have done a
> google seach and posted a link but IMO if someone is not even prepared
> to search for themselves, they are showing no dedication to the care and
> welfare of their pet.
> I admit to being bitchy but don't think my reply was unreasonable at
> all.

I see your point.
Pizza Gurl - 01 May 2004 02:45 GMT
The  answer would have been less typing if you knew the answer.

> > What the good golly is bumblefoot?
> google is your friend. Sheesh are you so idle that you cannot do a
> search all by yourself ?
good golly Ms Molly - 01 May 2004 11:51 GMT
> The  answer would have been less typing if you knew the answer.
>
> > > What the good golly is bumblefoot?
> > google is your friend. Sheesh are you so idle that you cannot do a
> > search all by yourself ?

I did know the answer, and if I didn't know the answer to something I
would do some research, starting with a google search instead of
expecting to be spoonfed.
Pizza Gurl - 01 May 2004 20:33 GMT
Speaks volumes for itself now, doesn't it, moron?

> > The  answer would have been less typing if you knew the answer.
> >
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> would do some research, starting with a google search instead of
> expecting to be spoonfed.
Pizza Gurl - 01 May 2004 20:32 GMT
Disregard Molly's total lack of knowledge here. Read a book on bird keeping
and check the recommendations for sandpaper perches for birds. Ever see a
cockatiel tear it's toes off, panicking because it has long nails caught in
the settee materials? It's not pretty and they only get a few chances at
this. In the wild this would happen naturally. Moron's like her believe they
are protecting birds by inflicting human values on them.

> > Hi, yes I use the sandpaper covers for my bird's perch.  It works
> > wonders keeping his nails trimmed.  Really the tips of the bird's nails
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> >
>  Those sandpaper perch covers are dreadful and cause bumblefoot.
good golly Ms Molly - 01 May 2004 21:03 GMT
> Disregard Molly's total lack of knowledge here. Read a book on bird keeping
> and check the recommendations for sandpaper perches for birds. Ever see a
> cockatiel tear it's toes off, panicking because it has long nails caught in
> the settee materials? It's not pretty and they only get a few chances at
> this. In the wild this would happen naturally. Moron's like her believe they
> are protecting birds by inflicting human values on them.
Every day in every way you grow dumber and dumber.
Pizza Gurl - 01 May 2004 21:50 GMT
Still reciting your psych sessions, I see.

> > Disregard Molly's total lack of knowledge here. Read a book on bird keeping
> > and check the recommendations for sandpaper perches for birds. Ever see a
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> > are protecting birds by inflicting human values on them.
>  Every day in every way you grow dumber and dumber.
petersinglebraincell - 03 May 2004 00:08 GMT