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Pet Forum / Birds / Parrots / August 2003just got 32 tiels need info.
Hi all Just got 32 tiels, they are mostly, breeders. Some babies. About 5 babies. They are all wild. Is there a way to calm them down. Without it being a trauma for them, and bloody hands for us. Hubby wants me to use gloves, but does that make them more afraid. Any helpful hints will be great. Went by to buy supplies and did want a book about breeding and handfeeding of cockatiels, but our pet store happen to be out of them. They did order one for me today. We know that it is going to take time for them to get use to the new aviary and area, but any help will be greatly appreciated. Lee & Trish PS we have had cockatiels as pet for a long time. This opportunity came to us, so we jumped on it. I am the one who would like to tame them a little if possible, hubby says they are fine the way they are. > Hi all > Just got 32 tiels, they are mostly, breeders. Some babies. About 5 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > us, so we jumped on it. I am the one who would like to tame them a little > if possible, hubby says they are fine the way they are. If (most) these are breeder birds and assume adults, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to become tame, sweet pets. One thing I strongly advice, if your plans are to set up these birds up for breeding, before you even think of hanging up one nestbox, read all you can about breeding and raising tiels. Have an avian vet handy and available. Meet with other breeders, learn to handfeed and read, read, read. On the www.birdsnways.com website, on the winged wisdom articles section there is a series titled responsible cockatiel breeding, a must read before you embark on such task.  SignatureMarco ~~~~~~ That which does not kill me... will be the basis for my revenge. ~~~~~~~ *my isp is ameritech, not birdpoop* *This account can't receive email from yahoo, hotmail, aol or msn mail accounts. > > Hi all > > Just got 32 tiels, they are mostly, breeders. Some babies. About 5 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > there is a series titled responsible cockatiel breeding, a must read before > you embark on such task. getting out of the business. She has already done a wonderful job with them. Just wanted to know if there is a way of taming them down some. As far as knowledge of breeding we already have that, just wanted a book to read to have more knowledge. Thanks for your input Marco Lee & Trish You're going to need more than a book. There is a LOT of work involved in breeding. Are you prepared to hand feed babies that have been thrown out of the nest. Do you have an incubator? Do you know the signs of an egg bound female? Vit D/Calcium deficiencies? Diet concerns? Proper caging? Splay leg in infants? Disease? I think that it is nice that you would take this lady's birds, but you are in for a ride! Be prepared! I can not imagine taking on such a responsibity without knowing the answers to all of the above questions and more. Get to work reading! :) > > > Hi all > > > Just got 32 tiels, they are mostly, breeders. Some babies. About 5 [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- > You're going to need more than a book. There is a LOT of work involved in > breeding. Are you prepared to hand feed babies that have been thrown out of > the nest. Do you have an incubator? Do you know the signs of an egg bound > female? Vit D/Calcium deficiencies? Diet concerns? Proper caging? Splay leg > in infants? Disease? You missed out sour crop, yeast infection, crop burn, crop impactation, rickets.Then there is spousal aggression, feather plucking,baby battering. I think in reality the OP has made a mistake firstly to take on a whole breeding flock of birds, and then to want to have them all sweet tame pets. They need to be in a large aviary and left to their own devices as that's what they are used to and happy with. By all means learn about handrearing and kepp a baby for yourself, but personally I think you will come a cropper. Having experience of one or two pet tiels is nothing like caring for a flock of them. I hope it all turns out well and you don't end up with heartache, but I won't hold my breath. First of all my wife plans on hand feeding all of the babies, yes she has experience. Yes we have a incubator. As far as cages go they are in one big aviary. With 8 nest boxes right now. I am building more. Have you thought about the fact that these cockatiels might have come to a better place. The lady thought this one was useless because it lost it's mate, so the best thing to do with him was to ring his neck. They were only feed once a day. She did not do a thing with the birds, but sit back and make a profit. They are very wild, my wife wanted to be able to exam them in case there is something wrong with them, but I told her not to worry about it because if there was something wrong with them we were going to have to wear gloves to handle them. Yes we have a avian vet, we have to have one we have two macaws, CAG, cockatiel, and a little parakeet, as far as calcium deficiency, we know first hand about it because we our CAG was born with it, and we still bought him. He is considered to be handicap, but we still love and care for him dearly. Thanks for your concern, but we know what we are doing. We are here 24/7. My wife posted to see if there was ways to tame them down so she could handle them. That was all. I have been reading for six and so months this news group and I can't not believe the negativity you like to give out to people. You know nothing about me and talk like I am a child having a new toy or something. I do not appreciated it. I told my wife not to even ask you guys anything, because of the better then thou attitude you have. She likes what oldmolly usually has to say even thou most of the time it is sarcastic, but at least she knows what she is talking about. I will not be replying to this news group again, nor will my wife. Thank you Lee > > You're going to need more than a book. There is a LOT of work involved in > > breeding. Are you prepared to hand feed babies that have been thrown out [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 please read this, it is not a negative or better than thou attitude post :-) " I have been reading for six and so months this > news group and I can't not believe the negativity you like to give out to > people. You know nothing about me and talk like I am a child having a new > toy or something. I do not appreciated it. I told my wife not to even ask > you guys anything, because of the better then thou attitude you have. no, it's not a better than thou attitude :-) it's concern for cockatiels that people have. if you read the post your wife made originally, it did sound like she knew nothing about birds. you are quite correct when you say we know nothing about you or your wife, or your experience with birds.. that's why you got the replies you got. we would all be very remiss if we didn't show concern for birds that we didn't know in what condition they would be in in your care. i am a little surprised though that with your knowledge of birds, and tiels that you didn't realise how unlikely it would be to be able to tame birds that have lived in an aviary as breeders for some time. it's a pity you feel the way you do about this newsgroup.. there is lots of valuable information to be had. even if you get 'beat up on' occassionally like you think you have been. you gotta take the good with the bad, ya know :-) and please write and let us know how you go.. i admire you guys for taking on such a big project.. i'm scared to breed just one pair of tiels!! all the best with your new found flock.. ang. She > likes what oldmolly usually has to say even thou most of the time it is > sarcastic, but at least she knows what she is talking about. I will not be > replying to this news group again, nor will my wife. > Thank you > Lee > Have you > thought about the fact that these cockatiels might have come to a better > place. The lady thought this one was useless because it lost it's mate, so > the best thing to do with him was to ring his neck. They were only feed > once a day. She did not do a thing with the birds, but sit back and make a > profit. Hmmm... funny, that's not what you guys said: "They are already breeders, came across a deal where an eldery lady was getting out of the business. She has already done a wonderful job with them." > I have been reading for six and so months this > news group and I can't not believe the negativity you like to give out to > people. You know nothing about me and talk like I am a child having a new > toy or something. Given the amount of morons we get in this group and the incredible stories we read from people that set up birds for breeding without knowing one bit about bird breeding. You can't blame this group for being concerned about the wellbeing of pet birds. If you've really read this group for so long I'm sure you'd remember the scores of people posting things like "I just got a tiel, what does it eat?" or "my bird is seizing at the bottom of the cage, is it sick?". I thought all the replies to your questions were quite helpful and kept the wellbeing of the birds as a priority. I will not be > replying to this news group again, nor will my wife. Well, boo-freaking-hoo. (bit of a control freak, aren't we?) SignatureMarco ~~~~~~ That which does not kill me... will be the basis for my revenge. ~~~~~~~ *my isp is ameritech, not birdpoop* *This account can't receive email from yahoo, hotmail, aol or msn mail accounts. > I will not be > replying to this news group again, nor will my wife. > Thank you > Lee That's just too bad. Unless you fill in all the blanks (nearly impossible), they'll be filled in by anyone responding with the worst case scenerio which will then be assumed as gospel truth by everyone else. If you've been reading this little forum for a while as you claim, you'd know that you can expect nothing but good advice with the welfare of every bird at the core. Sure there is some bad advice given, but it is always quickly squashed by the many that know better. -- *MrJ* Do something about 'your.attitude' to reply via e-mail. > First of all my wife plans on hand feeding all of the babies, yes she has > experience. Yes we have a incubator. As far as cages go they are in one > big aviary. With 8 nest boxes right now. I am building more. Have you > thought about the fact that these cockatiels might have come to a better > place. No because you didn't give any reason to believe so. > The lady thought this one was useless because it lost it's mate, so > the best thing to do with him was to ring his neck. I'm afraid I simply don't believe you.Why didn't she just put another female with him? >They were only feed > once a day. Well big deal. I only feed my aviary birds once a day. What is the problem there????? >She did not do a thing with the birds, but sit back and make a > profit. So if they were so profitable, why did she sell them to you? Am I right to assume that as you are so against profit, that you will be giving away the babies for free? > They are very wild, my wife wanted to be able to exam them in case > there is something wrong with them, but I told her not to worry about it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > deficiency, we know first hand about it because we our CAG was born with it, > and we still bought him. There is a difference to hypocalcaemia brought about by a breeder not ensuring his stock has sufficient, and feeding babies with a calcium poor diet, and hens suffering it from laying too many eggs. In the first case, a calcium supplement and a decent diet will alleviate the problem, in the 2nd, calcium supplements will need to be given all the time during the breeding season, and something more than cuttlefish bone. >He is considered to be handicap, but we still love > and care for him dearly. Handicapped is the word, and I have 2 handicapped birds here too. I would not say that I love them dearly. I am very fond of my birds, but I try hard not to become overly sentimental about them as I don't think it is healthy for me or the birds. > Thanks for your concern, but we know what we are doing. We are here 24/7. > My wife posted to see if there was ways to tame them down so she could [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sarcastic, but at least she knows what she is talking about. I will not be > replying to this news group again, nor will my wife. Shame then. You say you are experienced, and know all about your tiels etc, yet you want to know how to tame a flock of aviary birds? I'm sorry you don't like the replies you were given, based on the small amount of information given. Nobody here is a mind reader, we don't *know* how much or how little experience you have, we canot guess. Nobody here knew what sort of home they had previously because you didn't tell us. You will need to grow a thicker skin . >My wife posted to see if there was ways to tame them down so she could >handle them. Hi I am a lurker, who owns a breeding flock. I keep my guys outside. In 1 aviary, I have a hand tamed male, who has convinced 2 of my very wild females, that the best food is to be found in the palm of my hand. In turn these 2 ladies have convinced their mates that it is ok to take certain foods from my hands. Though, these wild males won't sit on my hands. In my other aviary I have 3 hand tamed birds that want nothing to do with me. They are rescued birds who must have been very poorly treated. 2 of these are a pair who had every toy imaginable in their cage & only about 4 inches of perch space. That's another story. JoAnne > Hi all > Just got 32 tiels, they are mostly, breeders. Some babies. About 5 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > us, so we jumped on it. I am the one who would like to tame them a little > if possible, hubby says they are fine the way they are. How about three and a half baseball teams? All those tiny caps and uniforms might be a bit hard to come by, though... |
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