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Pet Forum / Birds / Parrots / March 2006grit
Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need grit? Thanks joy > Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need grit? No, they don't. >> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies >> need grit? > > No, they don't. Yes they do. Thats why they have a gizzard. > > No, they don't. > > > Yes they do. Thats why they have a gizzard. Really? I thought parrots didn't need it because their beak is able to shell the seed or something... I'm sure I've read here several times that parrots don't require shell grit... >>> No, they don't. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'm sure I've read here several times that parrots don't require shell > grit... Just because you read it here doesnt make it fact Mark. This place is full of idiots!!!!! Seed is ground down in the crop or the gizzard and grit aids this. There is no proof that grit is harmful, just an American myth. > Just because you read it here doesnt make it fact Mark. This place is full > of idiots!!!!! True :-) > >>> No, they don't. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Seed is ground down in the crop or the gizzard and grit aids this. There is > no proof that grit is harmful, just an American myth. Cockatiels are seed hullers. They break the hard part of the seed off and drop it in order to eat the softer insides. Grit isn't necessary for them. I supposed too much can be bad for them since they don't seek in out in the wild say like a pigeon would. I personally don't use it for my birds, but know those that do. Nothing bad has happened. But I don't believe it to be necessary for cockatiels. Other birds sure but not these. I'd say if you really feel like you have to use it, use it in moderataion. Josh http://www.boycottforequality.org/ Herausforderung Schwerkraft! {DEFY GRAVITY!} > Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need grit? > > Thanks joy Seed husks perform the same job, my readings have led me to believe that grit(shell, sand) is not the best thing for a bird, if they dont pass it all through all the time it will compact in the gizzard and eventually kill the bird. >> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies >> need grit? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > pass it all through all the time it will compact in the gizzard and > eventually kill the bird. I've heard of compacted crop but only here. I've yet to meet anyone who has had a bird suffer from compacted crop through feeding grit. Oystershell is better than grit as its soluble but it does the same job. "Rayzorze" <r.sherlbran@virgin.net> wrote... > Oystershell is better than grit as its soluble but it does the same job. I occasionally bash a few oyster shells and leave them in for my budgies and cockatiels and they seem to enjoy them. I also grind eggshells. Is that the same as "grit"? -- Stephen Oakes grit is undigestable rock pieces used by birds that eat shells and otherwise undigestible foods. > "Rayzorze" <r.sherlbran@virgin.net> wrote... > > Oystershell is better than grit as its soluble but it does the same job. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Stephen Oakes > grit is undigestable rock pieces used by birds that eat shells and otherwise > undigestible foods. Like Pizza? Do you supply free grit to your clients? > grit is undigestable rock pieces used by birds that eat shells and > otherwise undigestible foods. Idiot PiG. >I also grind eggshells. Is that the same as "grit"? Also if I could add a question to that - would eggshell serve also as a calcium supplement for female Tiels? >> I also grind eggshells. Is that the same as "grit"? > > Also if I could add a question to that - would eggshell serve also as > a calcium supplement for female Tiels? Yes it would. Gouldian finch breeders use egg shells along with oysershell and charcoal. > "Rayzorze" <r.sherlbran@virgin.net> wrote... >> Oystershell is better than grit as its soluble but it does the same [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > budgies and cockatiels and they seem to enjoy them. I also grind > eggshells. Is that the same as "grit"? Egg shells do the same as grit but it and oystershell are soluble. Hi, I have given my bird grit, for it does help the bird to digest his seed. I also give him a calcium block to chew on. Of course, do not forget the cuttlebone. Sugar's mom > Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need grit? > > Thanks joy > Hi, I have given my bird grit, for it does help the bird to digest his seed. I > also give him a calcium block to chew on. Of course, do not forget the > cuttlebone. > Sugar's mom Calcium blocks and cuttlebone have no relationship to grit. >> Hi, I have given my bird grit, for it does help the bird to digest >> his seed. I also give him a calcium block to chew on. Of course, >> do not forget the cuttlebone. >> Sugar's mom > > Calcium blocks and cuttlebone have no relationship to grit. Did the poster say it was? NO. Echo in here too?...LOL > > Hi, I have given my bird grit, for it does help the bird to digest his > seed. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Calcium blocks and cuttlebone have no relationship to grit. > Calcium blocks and cuttlebone have no relationship to grit. She didn't say they did... Yes, due in part that these birds do not have teeth to ground down the seed kernals. A mixture of oystershells and mineralized grits is great to help the bird to digest its seed. These ingredients help to effectively ground down the seed kernals in the bird's gizzard. My bird enjoys his morning nibble on his mineral block. Sugar's mom > Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need grit? > > Thanks joy A mineral block is not grit. > Yes, due in part that these birds do not have teeth to ground down the seed > kernals. A mixture of oystershells and mineralized grits is great to help the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > Thanks joy > Yes, due in part that these birds do not have teeth to ground down the seed > kernals. A mixture of oystershells and mineralized grits is great to help the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sugar's mom What a load of mis-informed sh.t you just spewed out. >> Yes, due in part that these birds do not have teeth to ground down >> the seed kernals. A mixture of oystershells and mineralized grits [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > What a load of mis-informed sh.t you just spewed out. Same as you. > What a load of mis-informed sh.t you just spewed out. What a miserable, son of a bitch you are. No. Only birds who do not remove the outer shell from seeds require grit. (for example, pigeons and doves) > Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need grit? > > Thanks joy > No. Only birds who do not remove the outer shell from seeds require > grit. (for example, pigeons and doves) See that's what I thought! Parrots have beaks which can "shell" their seed, therefore the grit is superflous.... <pulls hair out> I don't know which to beleive. I don't give my Tiel grit - and he is fine. >> No. Only birds who do not remove the outer shell from seeds require >> grit. (for example, pigeons and doves) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I don't know which to beleive. I don't give my Tiel grit - and he is > fine. Birds not given grit will live just as long as birds given it. Grit helps a bird grind the seed up. > No. Only birds who do not remove the outer shell from seeds require > grit. (for example, pigeons and doves) >> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies >> need grit? >> >> Thanks joy WRONG. > Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need > grit? > > Thanks joy Let's put it this way, I've never heard of a parrot that has had any health problems from NOT being fed grit. OTOH, you'll hear stories about compacted crops from parrots overingesting grit. I'd rather stay on the safe side and not offer it. So, is it beneficial to offer grit. Who knows for sure. MUST you feed grit? NO.  Signature~=-Marco-=~ http://photos.yahoo.com/igotmbd > Let's put it this way, I've never heard of a parrot that has had any > health problems from NOT being fed grit. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So, is it beneficial to offer grit. Who knows for sure. MUST you feed > grit? NO. Well put, Marco. :-) Haven't seen you here for awhile. How's your Macaw going? >> Let's put it this way, I've never heard of a parrot that has had any >> health problems from NOT being fed grit. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Haven't seen you here for awhile. How's your Macaw going? Hey Mark, Yeah, haven't been here much... been way too busy, moving and stuff (and I'm still not done!). The macaw and the other birdies are doing fine. Enjoying the humidity here in S. Florida. :) Signature~=-Marco-=~ http://photos.yahoo.com/igotmbd > Hey Mark, > Yeah, haven't been here much... been way too busy, moving and stuff (and > I'm still not done!). The macaw and the other birdies are doing fine. Great to hear :-) > Enjoying the humidity here in S. Florida. :) Nice :-) The weather here has been starting to warm up now too - it's the 1st day of Spring now, and Rouge is getting randy. >> Hey Mark, >> Yeah, haven't been here much... been way too busy, moving and stuff (and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of > Spring now, and Rouge is getting randy. Uh oh... that time of the year, uh? Well, Chilli Macaw is a ball of hormones all year long. lol Talking about weather... we might get hit by a big hurricane over the weekend. Not fun at all... but at least we get plenty of warning. So I'm off today to get some extra supplies for me and the critters, just in case. :) Signature~=-Marco-=~ http://photos.yahoo.com/igotmbd >> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need >> grit? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So, is it beneficial to offer grit. Who knows for sure. MUST you feed > grit? NO. You give a good response then tell people NO. Are you qualified to tell people not to feed grit? NO. It is the bird owners choice, not yours. > You give a good response then tell people NO. Are you qualified to tell > people not to feed grit? NO. It is the bird owners choice, not yours. No Ray, I think you misunderstood him.... Marco simply stated that it isn't neccessary. He didn't tell them NOT to feed grit. He simply did not recommend it. Science without religion is lame, religion without science is lind. --Albert Einstein > >> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need > >> grit? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You give a good response then tell people NO. Are you qualified to tell > people not to feed grit? NO. It is the bird owners choice, not yours. He said you don't have too, not that you shouldn't. Jackass! > He said you don't have too, not that you shouldn't. Jackass! OOOOH Jackass! Sure you can do better than that jeniffer? > OOOOH Jackass! Sure you can do better than that jeniffer? Jackass is like dumb a.s and I use it frequently when referring to people who don't pay attention. Of course I am capable of much worse, but anything beyond "jackass" is saved for people who really give me a reason to hate them. I'm not just some newbie popping in my opinion. I've been lurking here for a long time now and understand that most of the bashing is all in fun with little real hostility involved. By the way, my name is Jennifer, not jeniffer. Jackass! >> OOOOH Jackass! Sure you can do better than that jeniffer? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > hostility involved. By the way, my name is Jennifer, not jeniffer. > Jackass! I'm not being hostile jennifer, no bashing either. I dont use capital letters on peoples names who I have no respect for. I dont respect people who jump in to defend others who are capable of answering for themselves, people who call me names for no reason, or people who are downright idiots like hucker and PiG. I dont hate you either. Hello "jeniffer Jackass!" > > OOOOH Jackass! Sure you can do better than that jeniffer? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > fun with little real hostility involved. By the way, my name is Jennifer, > not jeniffer. Jackass! Hello pig. > Hello "jeniffer Jackass!" > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > fun with little real hostility involved. By the way, my name is Jennifer, > > not jeniffer. Jackass! Hey JK > Hello pig. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Jennifer, > > > not jeniffer. Jackass! > > > By the way, my name is Jennifer, > not jeniffer. Jackass! Call out the guards!! He didn't capitalize or spell her name correctly!!.... who cares!! Too bad init "jeniffer"..... idiot! > Call out the guards!! He didn't capitalize or spell her name > correctly!!.... who cares!! > Too bad init "jeniffer"..... idiot! Am I supposed to feel offended, hurt, or what? James is a jackass and that's all there is to it. > > Call out the guards!! He didn't capitalize or spell her name > > correctly!!.... who cares!! > > Too bad init "jeniffer"..... idiot! > > > Am I supposed to feel offended, hurt, or what? James is a jackass and > that's all there is to it. Of course he is a jackass.... I thought you were calling someone else a jackass, not James. >>> Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need >>> grit? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You give a good response then tell people NO. Are you qualified to tell > people not to feed grit? NO. It is the bird owners choice, not yours. Ray, I'm not telling anybody to do a damn thing, they can feed their parrots thumbtacks dipped in guacamole cooked on an overheated teflon pan for all I care. But back to the question... do they need grit? And the answer is still "NO". Signature~=-Marco-=~ http://photos.yahoo.com/igotmbd > Ray, I'm not telling anybody to do a damn thing, they can feed their > parrots thumbtacks dipped in guacamole cooked on an overheated teflon > pan for all I care. But back to the question... do they need grit? > And the answer is still "NO". . Is this a personal NO or a qualified NO? >> Ray, I'm not telling anybody to do a damn thing, they can feed their >> parrots thumbtacks dipped in guacamole cooked on an overheated teflon [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > Is this a personal NO or a qualified NO? Well, let's see... I've kept parrots and I've bred parrots and I've never fed grit. And NEVER, not once, have any of my parrots had any health problems or a lesser quality of life because of not feeding them grit. I know people, well, I have close friends who have kept/bred parrots longer than I've been alive (and I'm talking serious breeders here) and never, not once, have their birds had any health problems because of lack of grit in their diet. So take it as a personal or qualified "NO". Feed your bird what you well damn like. But it remains true that a parrot's digestive system is strong enough to process food without the help of grit. And the best proof of that is the thousands of healthy parrots out there who have never been offered grit. ps: In your opinion, Do fruit eating or nectar eating parrots should also be fed grit? Signature~=-Marco-=~ http://photos.yahoo.com/igotmbd > Well, let's see... I've kept parrots and I've bred parrots and I've > never fed grit. And NEVER, not once, have any of my parrots had any [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ps: In your opinion, Do fruit eating or nectar eating parrots should > also be fed grit? And I can say exactly what you have just said but the people I know have always fed grit. I only know serious breeders, infact I dont know any non serious breeders. And you are being very silly about nectar eating parrots. I keep and breed Lories and Lorikeets. You have no argument on this subject, there is no danger to feeding grit and you know it. NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:28:20 EDT Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:29:10 -0400 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com alt.pets.parrots.cockatiels:40104 >> Well, let's see... I've kept parrots and I've bred parrots and I've >> never fed grit. And NEVER, not once, have any of my parrots had any [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > and > you know it. You keep on missing the point ray. Show me where I said that if you feed grit the bird will freaking die! You feed grit and your birds are fine, wonderful! I choose not to feed grit and my birds are fine, wonderful too!... what does that translate into? It translates into: PARROTS DO NOT NEED GRIT TO BE HEALTHY. That does not negate the fact that grit *might* have some beneficial effect on them... But but there is no proof whatsoever that not feeding grit affects them negatively. Until then, it stays. Signature~=-Marco-=~ http://photos.yahoo.com/igotmbd > > Ray, I'm not telling anybody to do a damn thing, they can feed their > > parrots thumbtacks dipped in guacamole cooked on an overheated teflon [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > Is this a personal NO or a qualified NO? Aren't you supposed to be in NYC about now Ray? Aren't 'your people' people up there having a party? Dickhead. Honestly. Ask any avian vet about cockatiels and grit and they'll tell you it's just not necessary. They may tell you it won't hurt 'em but they won't tell you that it's a must. You are backed into a corner, you realize you are wrong and you are acting out. Get a hobby ....and might I suggest something other than birds....If you are this angry at people you have never met how do you react when animals act up? Does someone need a time out? Josh http://www.boycottforequality.org/ Herausforderung Schwerkraft! {DEFY GRAVITY!} > Aren't you supposed to be in NYC about now Ray? Aren't 'your people' > people up there having a party? Dickhead. C'mon now, you know Ray is a nice guy, not a dickhead! How'd you know about the party? >> Aren't you supposed to be in NYC about now Ray? Aren't 'your >> people' people up there having a party? Dickhead. > > C'mon now, you know Ray is a nice guy, not a dickhead! > > How'd you know about the party? He would have been there but his mommy wouldnt let him out after 6pm. Will you put that fag on killfilter so nobody else has to see his a.shole glaring at them? > > > Ray, I'm not telling anybody to do a damn thing, they can feed their > > > parrots thumbtacks dipped in guacamole cooked on an overheated teflon [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > {DEFY GRAVITY!} > Will you put that fag on killfilter so nobody else has to see his > a.shole glaring at them? What have you got against little ol josh PiG. You like a.sholes, you try to make them pay to play with yours. > Aren't you supposed to be in NYC about now Ray? Aren't 'your > people' people up there having a party? Dickhead. Honestly. Ask [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Josh Hi Dickhead, "My people" are fighting next to yours in Iraq!! I am not backed in a corner at all, until someone comes up with scientific proof that grit isnt neccessary or is dangerous I will continue using it. Until then it will continue to be an American myth. I'm not angry at anyone who has replied to me not even you for your idiotic abuse. My animals dont act up, do yours? My animals act in a natural way and that includes flying. What do you do when your animals 'act up'? Punish them? "Rayzorez" <r.sherlbraan@virgin.net> wrote... > Hi Dickhead, "My people" are fighting next to yours in Iraq!! ...both with and against my people. I know you yanks use this cliche to try and say you're on the same side... but why do we need sides? -- Stephen Oakes Just go "grit-less". Whatever works for your bird's digestive tract. If the bird has lived without it, then go "grit-less". Sugar's mom > > Not wanting to spark a debate here but do cockatiels and budgies need > > grit? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ~=-Marco-=~ > http://photos.yahoo.com/igotmbd |
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