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Cockatiel Taming Question

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T. Jones - 01 Mar 2005 05:03 GMT
I've been lurking here for awhile, but now have a serious question.
I've also posted it to Yahoo Groups and Bird Talk forum, so if this is a
duplicate for anyone, I apologize.

I would like some cockatiel advice on a situation that’s a little more
than I have experience with.  First of all, some history…I got my first
bird, a parakeet when I was 6, later had 2 cockatiels, an African
Ringneck and a Quaker.  All of these birds I successfully tamed, even
the Quaker who a pet store GAVE to me as 15 year old because he was a
“bad bird” and had been returned by customers 3 times (I’m 31 now by the
way, so that was a looong time ago ;).  Within two weeks I had him
falling asleep in my hand on his back, that bird turned out to be so
sweet and my best friend.  That pet store gave my name out to people who
had “bad birds” and I made summer money taming birds at my house for 2-3
week periods, then giving them back to their owners “cured”.

I just adopted or rather was given two female grey cockatiels from a
friend who has no clue about birds and had them for a year and hated
their “noise” and mess.  He always played loud music in the room they
lived in and smoked cigarettes in there (which is why I say he was
clueless), yelled at them for whistling and fed them only the cheapest
seed diet from the grocery store.  I begged him for a year to give them
to me so they’d have a proper home.  Before they lived with him their
home was with a friend of his who lived with her grandmother and grandma
thought they were too loud, so that’s how he ended up with them.
They’re at least two years old and I’m pretty sure they’re female
because they’re pure grey with yellow bars on their tails and no yellow
on the head.

These birds have been living with me for approximately three weeks now
and have adjusted to their new environment well. I’ve gotten them lots
of toys (which they’ve already destroyed), put them on a pelleted diet,
have been adding vitamins to their water and keep them in my bedroom
next to my bed where it’s always quiet and warm.  They are comfortable
with me outside their cage.  If I speak to them or whistle, they whistle
back and I’ve been wolf whistling and have heard some attempts at
mimicking.  Whenever they hear me come home, they whistle until I come
upstairs and talk to them and they whistle like crazy when I leave.  I
know these girls are not a lost cause with the rapid adjustments and
progress they’ve made already.  Honestly, from the lives they’ve led so
far I expected them to reject pellets and be completely fearful
constantly.  The problem is they’re deathly afraid of hands.  I think it
may be something bad from their pasts with hands possibly, but they
hiss, bite and definitely have no clue about stepping up.  I’ve never
met a bird that when you put your finger to their chest does not step up
(or on).  They will come out and go back into their cage on their own if
I open the door, and one let’s me rub her back when she’s out, but
that’s the extent of it.  I know better than to stick my hand in the
cage and grab them and wouldn’t do that to the poor things after
whatever has happened to them in their pasts.

My question is, is there hope that eventually they’ll become comfortable
enough to be social with me (head rubs, shoulder rides, food sharing,
etc.)?  This is the first time I’ve seen such terrified birds who I wish
could tell me what’s gone on in their pasts.  Also, any advice on
working with them would be appreciated.
Lawrence - 01 Mar 2005 06:15 GMT
of course there's hope. with your case, i'm sure it requires extra time -
that's all

wear gloves when you attempt to hold your finger to them in the cage.

> I've been lurking here for awhile, but now have a serious question. I've
> also posted it to Yahoo Groups and Bird Talk forum, so if this is a
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
> could tell me what’s gone on in their pasts.  Also, any advice on working
> with them would be appreciated.
ex WGS Hamm - 01 Mar 2005 14:03 GMT
> wear gloves when you attempt to hold your finger to them in the cage.

oh god, really really *bad* advice. They are already scared and gloves will
only freak them out. Even my tame pet birds would go ballistic if I
approached them with gloves on.
Z-Q - 02 Mar 2005 00:17 GMT
>> wear gloves when you attempt to hold your finger to them in the cage.
>
> oh god, really really *bad* advice. They are already scared and gloves
> will
> only freak them out. Even my tame pet birds would go ballistic if I
> approached them with gloves on.

Pull your head out of your a.s OM.

If they are already afraid of hands, adding gloves won't make anything any
worse.  They'll quickly get used to them and it won't be a problem.
When I first got my wild-caught blue crown conure 13 years ago I used a
leather glove.  It worked out just fine. After a short while I no longer
needed to wear the glove.   In fact, if he decided that he didn't want to
step up onto my bare hand all I had to do show him the glove and he'd step
up.

Why so many people think that gloves are inherently bad is ridiculous.
Birds simply fear the unknown.  Make something known to them and they no
longer fear it.  That's the advice given for introducing new items all the
time. Nobody has ever called it a bad idea to give a bird a new toy.

ZQ
*Ninja* - 02 Mar 2005 00:46 GMT
> If they are already afraid of hands, adding gloves won't make anything any
> worse.  They'll quickly get used to them and it won't be a problem.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> step up onto my bare hand all I had to do show him the glove and he'd step
> up.

Wow - I'm surprised. Jynx is actually talking in a somewhat constructive
manner!
I hope this is a side of you we'll see more of. Nice to see you discussing
parrots for a change. :-)
ex WGS Hamm - 02 Mar 2005 13:22 GMT
> > If they are already afraid of hands, adding gloves won't make anything any
> > worse.  They'll quickly get used to them and it won't be a problem.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I hope this is a side of you we'll see more of. Nice to see you discussing
> parrots for a change. :-)

Don't worry it won't last.
Stephen Oakes - 02 Mar 2005 00:49 GMT
"Z-Q" <trinity@onetwothree.com> wrote...
> stuff.

Warning... "Z-Q" (if that IS his real name) is trying to sound sensible in
order to lure you into his trap and then GET YOU with a torrent of mindless
abuse and stupidity.  IT IS A TRAP!  DO NOT FALL FOR IT!  Loooook OUT!!

You have been warned.

--
Stephen Oakes
LT - 02 Mar 2005 01:01 GMT
> "Z-Q" <trinity@onetwothree.com> wrote...
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> --
> Stephen Oakes

Oh No! We've been swindled into ZQ's trap!! LOL!!

Mr. Oakes, he's not luring anyone into his trap.... whatever gave you
that idea?
Stephen Oakes - 02 Mar 2005 02:50 GMT
"LT" <justducky@REMOVEkaxy.com> wrote...
> Mr. Oakes, he's not luring anyone into his trap.... whatever gave you that
> idea?

I am one of those very rare creatures that learns from the past.

--
Stephen Oakes
Z-Q - 02 Mar 2005 05:11 GMT
> "LT" <justducky@REMOVEkaxy.com> wrote...
>> Mr. Oakes, he's not luring anyone into his trap.... whatever gave you
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> --
> Stephen Oakes

You have yet to show signs of having the ability to learn, much less that
you've actually ever learned anything.

ZQ
Stephen Oakes - 02 Mar 2005 05:36 GMT
"Z-Q" <trinity@onetwothree.com> wrote...
> You have yet to show signs of having the ability to learn, much less that
> you've actually ever learned anything.

All I know about you is how you have been in this newsgrope in the past.  (I
certainly don't intend to waste any time studying you.)

"Abusive" does not quite cover it.

--
Stephen (pretending to fall into the trap) Oakes
*Ninja* - 02 Mar 2005 06:50 GMT
> Mr. Oakes, he's not luring anyone into his trap....

Ooooo, careful, LT - he just may be! lol
Z-Q - 02 Mar 2005 05:09 GMT
> "Z-Q" <trinity@onetwothree.com> wrote...
>> stuff.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> --
> Stephen Oakes

Get a life Oakes.
Oops, sorry.  I forgot for a moment that you're an aussie.  You'll just have
to make do with the half-assed life you've been stuck with.
As you were

ZQ
Stephen Oakes - 02 Mar 2005 05:34 GMT
"Z-Q" <trinity@onetwothree.com> wrote...
> Get a life Oakes.

Could you please explain what that means?

> Oops, sorry.  I forgot for a moment that you're an aussie.  You'll just
> have to make do with the half-assed life you've been stuck with.

...and that.

You're not quite at your best at the moment.  Give it a few hours until the
drugs wear off or kick in, whichever phase you're at.

--
Stephen Oakes
Z-Q - 02 Mar 2005 15:49 GMT
> "Z-Q" <trinity@onetwothree.com> wrote...
>> Get a life Oakes.
>
> Could you please explain what that means?

That question proves my point.

>> Oops, sorry.  I forgot for a moment that you're an aussie.  You'll just
>> have to make do with the half-assed life you've been stuck with.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> --
> Stephen Oakes

not at my best - Is that the excuse you give to explain your uselessness in
the world?

ZQ
*Ninja* - 02 Mar 2005 06:52 GMT
> Oops, sorry.  I forgot for a moment that you're an aussie.  You'll just have
> to make do with the half-assed life you've been stuck with.

That was totally uncalled for.
ex WGS Hamm - 02 Mar 2005 13:24 GMT
> > Oops, sorry.  I forgot for a moment that you're an aussie.  You'll just
> have
> > to make do with the half-assed life you've been stuck with.
>
> That was totally uncalled for.

We are all used to Jynx's abusive posts by now. He is routinely abusive to
everyone eventually.
ex WGS Hamm - 02 Mar 2005 13:22 GMT
> >> wear gloves when you attempt to hold your finger to them in the cage.
> >
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> If they are already afraid of hands, adding gloves won't make anything any
> worse.
But as the OP can put a finger to their chest they are not afraid of hands
are they shitforbrains? They are simply not trained and probably
confused/traumatised by the changes which have recently happened in their
live. Gloves will not make them feel trusting towards the OP. I suggest you
make more effort in reading the post and less in trying to score points.

> They'll quickly get used to them and it won't be a problem.
> When I first got my wild-caught blue crown conure 13 years ago I >used a
> leather glove.  It worked out just fine. After a short while I no >longer
> needed to wear the glove.   In fact, if he decided that he didn't want to
> step up onto my bare hand all I had to do show him the glove and he'd step
> up.
Blah blah blah. so what? A wild caught bird is afraid anyway and has no
experience of anything related to humans. These birds will allow the OP to
touch their chest and have been pets previously.

> Why so many people think that gloves are inherently bad is ridiculous.
Experience (something you have little of) shows me this. Tame pet birds,
wild birds have always been fearful of a gloved hand. In several cases when
I have taken in injured wild birds they have got used to me and became
trusting. When the RSPCA inspector pops in for a visit if he nears the cage
with either sunglassed, or his cap or puts a gloved hand to the cage there
is panic.

> Birds simply fear the unknown.  Make something known to them and they no
> longer fear it.  That's the advice given for introducing new items all the
> time. Nobody has ever called it a bad idea to give a bird a new toy.
I don't think the OP's question was about toys was it?
Z-Q - 02 Mar 2005 16:44 GMT
>> >> wear gloves when you attempt to hold your finger to them in the cage.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> you
> make more effort in reading the post and less in trying to score points.

The fact that gloves are not inherently evil still stands.  Any bird will
quickly become used to gloves being used.

>> They'll quickly get used to them and it won't be a problem.
>> When I first got my wild-caught blue crown conure 13 years ago I >used a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> step
>> up.

> Blah blah blah. so what?

So what? so the point is that birds become used to things like gloves and
stop fearing them.

> A wild caught bird is afraid anyway and has no
> experience of anything related to humans. These birds will allow the OP to
> touch their chest and have been pets previously.

So how does that make gloves a bad idea?

>> Why so many people think that gloves are inherently bad is ridiculous.

> Experience (something you have little of) shows me this.

I had virtually no experience with parrots when I got my bcc, yet I was able
to figure out that birds get used to objects and stop fearing them.  If you
haven't figured this out in your decades of experience with more birds than
any normal person would want at a time, then you really have no business
handing out advice on birds.

> Tame pet birds,
> wild birds have always been fearful of a gloved hand. In several cases
> when

Fear of the unknown - nobody argued against that.  Why does a falcon return
to it's trainers gloved hand if the glove is so damn scary?  I've been to
the U of M raptor center (and have seen a lot of these birds on tv as we all
have) and all the birds are handled by people with a glove on - none of the
birds ever looked or behaved in a terrified manner.   and before you get
your ever sagging tits in a knot because I'm not mentioning parrots - I've
also seen parrot trainers wearing a gloves while the birds go about doing
whatever they do w/o being terrified of the glove.  How can that be if
gloves are so evil?

> I have taken in injured wild birds they have got used to me and became
> trusting. When the RSPCA inspector pops in for a visit if he nears the
> cage
> with either sunglassed, or his cap or puts a gloved hand to the cage there
> is panic.

Why is there panic?  Could it be because the birds have net been allowed to
or have not had the time to become used to gloves, sunglasses and caps?
Even if they are used to such objects, the fact that an unknown person is
handling them is cause enough for fear.  You've managed to show that birds
will fear the unknown.  It's just too bad that nobody has ever said
otherwise.  In order to prove your argument, you'll need to show that
parrots do not get used to objects they see on a regular basis and that once
they fear something they will fear it forever.

>> Birds simply fear the unknown.  Make something known to them and they no
>> longer fear it.  That's the advice given for introducing new items all
>> the
>> time. Nobody has ever called it a bad idea to give a bird a new toy.

> I don't think the OP's question was about toys was it?

If you are unsure of what the OP's question was about maybe you need to go
back and reread it so that you can be sure.

No, it wasn't about toys and my post wasn't in response to the OP was it?
It was a response to the drivel that you posted.  That response to you was
about getting a bird used to new things such as gloves which is no more
"traumatic" or difficult than getting a bird used to a new toy - or do you
believe that birds know the difference between an unknown object that will
become a new toy and any other unknown object that is not a toy?

ZQ
NKara - 22 Mar 2005 18:57 GMT
OK, so you can train the birds to not be scared of the gloves.  But you
didn't solve the ORIGINAL problem of the bird being afraid of your
HANDS.  You have just created a NEW problem to overcome.

Mot pet owners do not take the time to put on gloves when they wish to
interact with their pets. What - you gonna wear gloves while watching
TV, reading, working on the computer.  Not natural, time consuming, and
singularly unsatisfying.

NIX the gloves.

Go slow with the hands.  They will be fine once they associate fingers
with goodies and pets.

nan
Z.Q. - 26 Mar 2005 01:48 GMT
> OK, so you can train the birds to not be scared of the gloves.  But you
> didn't solve the ORIGINAL problem of the bird being afraid of your HANDS.
> You have just created a NEW problem to overcome.

as long as you feel the need to drag up a discussion that ended 3 weeks ago:

No it doesn't solve the hand problem in and of itself, but it does help
shorten the process of getting a bird to not be afraid of hands while
reducing the effects of the bird's bites.

> Mot pet owners do not take the time to put on gloves when they wish to
> interact with their pets.

WTF does that have to do with anything?

> What - you gonna wear gloves while watching TV, reading, working on the
> computer.

When you're training a bird that's where the attention goes - to the bird.
There's a huge difference between training an animal (I say that because a
nontamed (trained) bird isn't much of a pet) and interacting with a pet.

> Not natural, time consuming, and singularly unsatisfying.

Why do I think you're a c.nt?

> NIX the gloves.
>
> Go slow with the hands.  They will be fine once they associate fingers
> with goodies and pets.
>
> nan

talk about time consuming...

ZQ
*Ninja* - 26 Mar 2005 02:24 GMT
> (I say that because a nontamed (trained) bird isn't much of a pet)

Why isn't a trained bird much of a pet?
Pizza Girl - 26 Mar 2005 03:21 GMT
Grammar misunderstanding in action.

Bottom post to complicate it further..OK?

> > (I say that because a nontamed (trained) bird isn't much of a pet)
>
> Why isn't a trained bird much of a pet?
*Ninja* - 27 Mar 2005 01:04 GMT
> Grammar misunderstanding in action.
>
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> >
> > Why isn't a trained bird much of a pet?

You got it, PiG!  ;-)
hehehehe
Z.Q. - 26 Mar 2005 19:59 GMT
>> (I say that because a nontamed (trained) bird isn't much of a pet)
>
> Why isn't a trained bird much of a pet?

That's not what I intended.

ZQ
*Ninja* - 27 Mar 2005 01:07 GMT
> That's not what I intended.

Oh dear.
It seems you are (in your own words) a dumbass.
How ironic.
Pizza Girl - 27 Mar 2005 02:03 GMT
He admits when he made a simple error. Takes a big man to admit that on a
NG.

> > That's not what I intended.
>
> Oh dear.
> It seems you are (in your own words) a dumbass.
> How ironic.
Roger Scott - 12 Jun 2005 20:36 GMT
I do the towel.  My bird feels less threatened by a small hand towel.  He
obeys commands such as "up and down", and does not hesitate when I put the
towel up to him.

Sugar's mom

> OK, so you can train the birds to not be scared of the gloves.  But you
> didn't solve the ORIGINAL problem of the bird being afraid of your
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> nan
asif - 03 Mar 2005 11:32 GMT
>>> wear gloves when you attempt to hold your finger to them in the cage.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> ZQ

Try showing a bird a net.
NKara - 22 Mar 2005 18:51 GMT
Don't compare a wild blue crowned conure with a cockatiel.  BCC's can do
a great deal of damage to a hand or finger and they often need to be
approached more forcefully and directly than a mild-mannered cockatiel.

No gloves for cockatiels.  Zilch.  Nada.

nan
razor41 - 23 Mar 2005 19:18 GMT
> Don't compare a wild blue crowned conure with a cockatiel.  BCC's can do a
> great deal of damage to a hand or finger and they often need to be
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> nan

Is this a professional opinion or just yours?
Z.Q. - 26 Mar 2005 01:55 GMT
> Don't compare a wild blue crowned conure with a cockatiel.

Where did I compare them?

> BCC's can do a great deal of damage to a hand or finger and they often
> need to be approached more forcefully and directly than a mild-mannered
> cockatiel.

You say that as if you almost know what you're talking about.  When you
learn something about parrot behavior come on back and share it.

> No gloves for cockatiels.  Zilch.  Nada.
>
> nan

Wtf is wrong with some of you people?  Stop reading those $8 petstore books.

ZQ
Pizza Girl - 26 Mar 2005 03:21 GMT
Better than a $10 slut like P......

> > Don't compare a wild blue crowned conure with a cockatiel.
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> ZQ
*Ninja* - 27 Mar 2005 01:00 GMT
> Better than a $10 slut like P......

Paaamm.....ela Anderson?
NKara - 22 Mar 2005 18:47 GMT
DO NOT WEAR GLOVES when working with your bird.  You are teaching them
nothing and will scare the beejeezers out of them!

Instead, casually offer bits of favorite foods (Cheerios, millet) from
your fingers, gradually placing the bits on top of an open outstretched
hand.  It will take a while, maybe days, maybe weeks, but you will be
able to do it -- you have the patience and the love and nothing works
better than that combination.  Eventually they will forget to be afraid!

Good luck.

nan
razor41 - 23 Mar 2005 19:17 GMT
> DO NOT WEAR GLOVES when working with your bird.  You are teaching them
> nothing and will scare the beejeezers out of them!
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> nan

Didn't you say you are afraid to offer millet. Is it ok for everyone else to
feed their birds but not you?
Pizza Girl - 23 Mar 2005 23:39 GMT
My 2 year old male wil not take food from an open hand. He will only accept
it with a small morsel between the first finger and thumb. Afraid of the
capture I guess?

> DO NOT WEAR GLOVES when working with your bird.  You are teaching them
> nothing and will scare the beejeezers out of them!
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> nan
Z.Q. - 26 Mar 2005 02:01 GMT
> DO NOT WEAR GLOVES when working with your bird.  You are teaching them
> nothing and will scare the beejeezers out of them!

Sorry but my personal experience says otherwise.

> Instead, casually offer bits of favorite foods (Cheerios, millet) from
> your fingers, gradually placing the bits on top of an open outstretched
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> nan

and you do this while while "watching TV, reading, working on the computer.
Not natural, time consuming, and
singularly unsatisfying."

Using gloves shortens the process significantly.

ZQ
Pizza Girl - 26 Mar 2005 03:22 GMT
I love when you talk dirty!!

> and you do this while while "watching TV, reading, working on the computer.
> Not natural, time consuming, and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> ZQ
*Ninja* - 27 Mar 2005 01:03 GMT
> Using gloves shortens the process significantly.

We don't need to hear the details of your kinky sex games, jynx.
ex WGS Hamm - 01 Mar 2005 14:02 GMT
put them on a pelleted diet,
> have been adding vitamins to their water
why are you adding vitamins to a vitamin fortified diet? You are in serious
danger of poisoning them with overdose.

>and keep them in my bedroom
> next to my bed where it's always quiet and warm.
why not in the main noisy family room? Noise and birds go together, they
ike it.

>  They are comfortable
> with me outside their cage.  If I speak to them or whistle, they whistle
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> met a bird that when you put your finger to their chest does not step up
> (or on).
you will when you have a little more experience with birds. I rarely meet
one which *does* step up.

 >They will come out and go back into their cage on their own if
> I open the door, and one let's me rub her back when she's out, but
> that's the extent of it.  I know better than to stick my hand in the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> could tell me what's gone on in their pasts.  Also, any advice on
> working with them would be appreciated.
Let them come to you on their terms. Let them out be with them and wait
until they trust you enough to land on you. Why keep them in your bedroom
though? Why not in the main room where they can watch you go about your
normal life with noise etc?
circuits3000 - 03 Mar 2005 23:35 GMT
>  you will when you have a little more experience with birds. I rarely meet
> one which *does* step up.

I own two cockatiels and both step up on command.
Z-Q - 04 Mar 2005 04:16 GMT
> .
> you will when you have a little more experience with birds. I rarely meet
> one which *does* step up.

That says a lot about you and even more about the intelligence of birds.

ZQ
*Ninja* - 01 Mar 2005 22:50 GMT
>Before they lived with her their home was with a friend of hers who lived
with his grandmother and grandma
> thought they were too loud,

Digital_Cowboy ?
LT - 02 Mar 2005 00:20 GMT
>>Before they lived with her their home was with a friend of hers who lived
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Digital_Cowboy ?

LMAO!
 
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