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Pet Forum / Birds / Parrots / October 2005Seeds
I buy the "Thrill" brand (I live in Australia) of seed because it claims to have multivitamin supplements. However I can not get the seeds to sprout. Seeds bought from a pet shop do sprout and Cindy loves to eat them. Does anyone have an opinion on whether seeds which may have been sterilized and those that are fresh are better. Regards, tony Tony, I never heard of sterilized seeds! Wouldn't that kill the nutrients in them? Are they subjected to microwaves? Perhaps I'm just ill informed on this subject..... Anyway, my 'tiels get everything. I alternate (and sometimes mix) Ecotrition and Zupreem and Kaytee and a local brand called Brown's. They get fresh fruit but nobody wants veggies, so I purchase separate veggie bits and add it to the seed as well. Do a search for your brand of food and see if you can find reviews of the product. n > I buy the "Thrill" brand (I live in Australia) of seed because it > claims to have multivitamin supplements. However I can not get the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > tony > Hi NanK, none of the brands you mention are stocked in the shops I visit. The brand name I use is actually "Trill" , sorry I mistyped. Did lookup the web but all I got was the manufacturers web site (may not be the most unbiased :-)). Don't know if they are sterilized, just an assumption based on the fact they will not spout. Regards, tony > Tony, I never heard of sterilized seeds! Wouldn't that kill the nutrients > in them? Are they subjected to microwaves? Perhaps I'm just ill informed [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> Regards, >> tony Tony, The only literature I've read on seeds is that if they don't sprout they are too old. Maybe you should try one of the better pet supply vendors www.carealotpets.com www.doctorsfostersmith.com www.thatpetplace.com Are you in the US?? Is there a PetSmart near you? m > Tony, I never heard of sterilized seeds! Wouldn't that kill the > nutrients in them? Are they subjected to microwaves? Perhaps I'm just [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > n Ever try Higgins Safflower Gold, it has a wonderfull fruity smell, virtually dustless and no sunflower, they do make it with it but I only give it to them as a treat, they also make a mixture that has bits of fruit in it, its great stuff if you have birds feeding babies, a little more pricy but worth it. Abba is pretty good too. TRC > Ever try Higgins Safflower Gold, it has a wonderfull fruity smell, virtually > dustless and no sunflower, they do make it with it but I only give it to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > TRC Thanks for the tip. Never heard of Higgins. Will do a search. n I use exact Pellet's that are Special Formulated with Vitiams and Minerals and what the Tiels need to keep them healthy. Regular Seeds do not have the Such, Seeds to a Tiel is like Candy to a Child, no Nuturance, It's just food, You need to suppliment with Pellets. If you don't, Keep applying different fruits in the cage for no longer then 2 hrs, They will firmet and create Germs and hurt the bird. If they are low on Calcium, Fry up an Egg with the Egg shells crunched up in it and feed it to them, and you can also Feed them a lil Human food also, like Bread, Crackers, etc. but not too much, as these swell, and could hurt the Crop. Many things you can do or use to help boost the heal of your Tiel, these are just some helpful hints, and this is what I do for all 9 of my Tiels, Fry up an Egg 1x a week with the Shells and feed it to all of them, Then treat them with a cracker or some bread. I buy the "Thrill" brand (I live in Australia) of seed because it claims to have multivitamin supplements. However I can not get the seeds to sprout. Seeds bought from a pet shop do sprout and Cindy loves to eat them. Does anyone have an opinion on whether seeds which may have been sterilized and those that are fresh are better. Regards, tony > I use exact Pellet's that are Special Formulated with Vitiams and > Minerals and what the Tiels need to keep them healthy. > > Regular Seeds do not have the Such, Seeds to a Tiel is like Candy to a > Child, no Nuturance, It's just food, You need to suppliment with > Pellets. NOT TRUE! What do you think 'tiels eat in the wild????? My 'tiels have been living for 14+ years and have been fed Fiesta, ZuPreem (pellets) and fresh fruit, Cheerios, and veggies a few times a week. Recently I have added EcoTrition. I offer new combinations so the birds are not bored. My birds are active, beautiful, and happy. n >> I use exact Pellet's that are Special Formulated with Vitiams and >> Minerals and what the Tiels need to keep them healthy. >> >> Regular Seeds do not have the Such, Seeds to a Tiel is like Candy to a >> Child, no Nuturance, It's just food, You need to suppliment with Pellets. absolute bollocks. tiels should have seeds and need seeds. ignorant people with pellet trees shouldnt keep birds >>>I use exact Pellet's that are Special Formulated with Vitiams and >>>Minerals and what the Tiels need to keep them healthy. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > absolute bollocks. tiels should have seeds and need seeds. ignorant people > with pellet trees shouldnt keep birds Please watch how you quote!!! I did NOT write that post. I wrote the response to it which contradicted the, as did yours! n My cockatiel has had seed for ten years now along with table food such as peas, lima beans, rice, potatoes, corn and nuts. He is very healthy and happy with his variety of foods. I do omit the sunflower seeds from his daily food. Sugar loves cheerios and whole grain cereal. Birds like a variety of foods, just like us! Sugar's mom > >> I use exact Pellet's that are Special Formulated with Vitiams and > >> Minerals and what the Tiels need to keep them healthy. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > absolute bollocks. tiels should have seeds and need seeds. ignorant people > with pellet trees shouldnt keep birds Mine loves rice cereal. Most other non bird things he doesn't. I do not understand why they always put lots of sunflower seeds in cockatiel food. They never seem to eat them. Too big for them to crack in their beaks and roll the seeds out with their tongues. My cockatiel has had seed for ten years now along with table food such as peas, lima beans, rice, potatoes, corn and nuts. He is very healthy and happy with his variety of foods. I do omit the sunflower seeds from his daily food. Sugar loves cheerios and whole grain cereal. Birds like a variety of foods, just like us! Sugar's mom huckhead wrote: > > Jimmy Warner wrote: > >> I use exact Pellet's that are Special Formulated with Vitiams and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > absolute bollocks. tiels should have seeds and need seeds. ignorant people > with pellet trees shouldnt keep birds You are so right about the sunflower seeds. My bird never likes to eat them either. I scoop out the sunflower seeds with a spoon to give to the wild birds. I substitute with a variety of nuts such as: slivered almonds, pecans, walnuts and occasionally a cashew. The nuts offer more nutritional value than the sunflower seeds would. Sugar's mom > Mine loves rice cereal. Most other non bird things he doesn't. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > absolute bollocks. tiels should have seeds and need seeds. ignorant people > > with pellet trees shouldnt keep birds "Pizza Girl." <no.s.pam@5.me> wrote in... > I do not understand why they always put lots of sunflower seeds in > cockatiel My cockatiels love them. -- Stephen Oakes mine do too. That's the first thing they eat. Sarah > "Pizza Girl." <no.s.pam@5.me> wrote in... >> I do not understand why they always put lots of sunflower seeds in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Stephen Oakes So does mine, sometimes that's all they will eat and waste the other seeds, other times they wn't touch them. All depends on the Mood. > "Pizza Girl." <no.s.pam@5.me> wrote in... >> I do not understand why they always put lots of sunflower seeds in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Stephen Oakes Are they in the shell or bare? So does mine, sometimes that's all they will eat and waste the other seeds, other times they wn't touch them. All depends on the Mood. > "Pizza Girl." <no.s.pam@5.me> wrote in... >> I do not understand why they always put lots of sunflower seeds in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Stephen Oakes They Crack the Shell and then eat the seed like the bigger birds do, Mine don't have any trouble crackin the Shells on the small seeds like Sunflower seeds and Millit seeds, now if we are talkin bout peanuts, they can't do them, but seeds that are within reasons the size of their beak > Are they in the shell or bare? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> -- >> Stephen Oakes You talk to ANY Avian Vet and they will tell you that Any and ALL Seeds to not Contain any type of Vitamens, You have to do what's called "SUPPLIMENT" which is what yo do when you give them fruits and the likes, They contain the Vitamens, not Seeds. I Raise Tiels, I have 9 Tiels, Ranging from Linto to Cinimmon, And they get an Egg every week with the Egg Shell to help with Calicum Dificiency, as well as Grit to help and promote Crop Digestion, Fruits and Pellets as well. So YES it is TRUE, Do Not Argue someone that Raises and Breeds them, YOu want to know the TRUE FACT, Talk to a Vet they will Tell you that Seeds do not hold the Vitamens that a Tiel needs now aday, Yeah they will live without it, but Proper health requires it. >> I use exact Pellet's that are Special Formulated with Vitiams and >> Minerals and what the Tiels need to keep them healthy. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > n Cockatiels should not be fed grit. They do not require it and probably never eat it anyway. You talk to ANY Avian Vet and they will tell you that Any and ALL Seeds to not Contain any type of Vitamens, You have to do what's called "SUPPLIMENT" which is what yo do when you give them fruits and the likes, They contain the Vitamens, not Seeds. I Raise Tiels, I have 9 Tiels, Ranging from Linto to Cinimmon, And they get an Egg every week with the Egg Shell to help with Calicum Dificiency, as well as Grit to help and promote Crop Digestion, Fruits and Pellets as well. So YES it is TRUE, Do Not Argue someone that Raises and Breeds them, YOu want to know the TRUE FACT, Talk to a Vet they will Tell you that Seeds do not hold the Vitamens that a Tiel needs now aday, Yeah they will live without it, but Proper health requires it. > Jimmy Warner wrote: >> I use exact Pellet's that are Special Formulated with Vitiams and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > n I have to differ that. Technically Birds of any Nature require Grit. The reason for Grit is to help grind up the seeds in the crop so they do not develop what's called Slow Crop. Slow Crop is refured to Food not being Digested in the Crop properly, which also comes to Germination, Once the Seeds stay in the Crop for a period of time, it starts to germinate, which will couse bactiera, which then leads to another problem. So yes, Grit is Required to help break down and grind up the Food because the Crop does not contain the Natural Enzyms as Humans do, so it's more Difficult for Birds to Process Food as Humans do, All my Birds get Grit and all of them eat it.. > Cockatiels should not be fed grit. They do not require it and probably > never [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> n Sorry. If you research that you will find it incorrect for hook bills to eat grit. For budgies...yes, Cockatiels no. I would have to research it but I believe it is because the seeds are all shelled and they have no need for internal grinding of the shells. Many others here may have more technicalleze for you on this. : I have to differ that. : [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] : >> : >> n "Pizza Girl." <no.s.pam@5.me> wrote... > I would have to research it but I believe it is because the seeds are all > shelled and they have no need for internal grinding of the shells. ...but budgies also shell their seeds, so why would they need it and not cockatiels? In any case, I don't think it can hurt to supply grit to cockatiels, so why not do it? -- Stephen Oakes I am not sure it would hurt them anyway if placed in a seperate container. But then OTOH they can pick a special seed out flying across the room in a bowl of mixed ones so I doubt they would eat them accidentally. Animals usually know what is best for them otherwise they wouldn't have survived for millions of years. Thanx Steve : "Pizza Girl." <no.s.pam@5.me> wrote... : > I would have to research it but I believe it is because the seeds are all [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] : -- : Stephen Oakes > Sorry. If you research that you will find it incorrect for hook bills to > eat > grit. For budgies...yes, Cockatiels no. cockatiels yes A supply of grit ensures that seed kernals can be ground down effectively in the gizzard, because, of course, cockatiels do not have teeth to perform this task. Also offer your bird oystershell along with the mineralized grit. Since seeds are low in iodine, put an iodine block in for your bird to chew on. This is good for the bird's metabolism. Some crushed eggshells from an hardboiled egg is also beneficial. Don't forget to include a cuttlebone which is a good source of calcium for the bird. Sugar's mom > I have to differ that. > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > >> > >> n > A supply of grit ensures that seed kernals can be ground down effectively in the > gizzard, because, of course, cockatiels do not have teeth to perform this task. [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >>>> >>>>n Cockatiels and parakeets can crack seed so they do not require any grit or gravel. Grit and gravel can cause the birds to have an impacted crop which could result in the death of the bird. Birds that cannot crack seed such as finches and canaries do require grit and or gravel since they eat seeds whole and need the grit for digestion. KK. My parakeet lived fine for 15 years eating grit with his seed (and other foods). He was not sick one day from ingesting the grit. Sugar (cockatiel) is now ten years old and is always crunching his grit. Whatever works for you and your bird. I am not a breeder, just have had 35 years of experience with owning birds. Taught myself through reading bird care books and magazines; also talking with other (long term) bird owners. Observation is also a good teacher when it comes to learning things about any creature. Sugar's mom > > A supply of grit ensures that seed kernals can be ground down effectively in the > > gizzard, because, of course, cockatiels do not have teeth to perform this task. [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > grit and or gravel since they eat seeds whole and need the grit for > digestion. Parakeets need grit. Cockatiels do not and it could be harmful to them trying to get them to eat it. : KK. My parakeet lived fine for 15 years eating grit with his seed (and other foods). : He was not sick one day from ingesting the grit. Sugar (cockatiel) is now ten years [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] : > grit and or gravel since they eat seeds whole and need the grit for : > digestion. > Parakeets need grit. Cockatiels do not and it could be harmful to them > trying to get them to eat it. Parakeet is a parrot, cockatiel is a parrot, parrots need grit, pizza girl, full of misguided sh.t > Cockatiels should not be fed grit. They do not require it and probably > never > eat it anyway. they probably will eat it > You talk to ANY Avian Vet and they will tell you that Any and ALL Seeds to Bollocks |
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