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Pet Forum / Aquaria / Freshwater / October 2008Seeding an Angelfish tank
So, now that the filter is up and running, I obviously need to seed the tank to get the biological filter going. What type of fish do people think are a good seed fish that can live with Angelfish later? I tend to think that Angelfish may be a bit too delicate to survive the seeding process. I usually seed with mollies, but Mollies prefer harder water than Angelfish do.  SignatureAndy > So, now that the filter is up and running, I obviously need to seed the > tank to get the biological filter going. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I usually seed with mollies, but Mollies prefer harder water than > Angelfish do. Guppies, you just can't kill 'em! (just kidding, but they are very tough.) Anyway, later the angels can feast on the babies/guppies. <Evil Grin> Regards, JS >> So, now that the filter is up and running, I obviously need to seed the >> tank to get the biological filter going. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Regards, > JS What a good use for guppies! Use the Angelfish for population control! Andy >>> So, now that the filter is up and running, I obviously need to seed the >>> tank to get the biological filter going. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Andy I M E, guppies in new tanks just go belly up. Black neons were first into my current tank and are still thriving. Duncan > What type of fish do people think are a good seed fish that can live with > Angelfish later? I tend to think that Angelfish may be a bit too > delicate to survive the seeding process. Put the plants in first and then add a little ammonia avery day for about a week. That way you don't need any "seed" fish. Just change the water a little more often for the first month (after that first week). Look up "fishless cycling" for more info. I did it that way and never saw any ammonia or nitrites, the plants and the bacteria combined did the trick. >> What type of fish do people think are a good seed fish that can live with >> Angelfish later? I tend to think that Angelfish may be a bit too [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I did it that way and never saw any ammonia or nitrites, the plants and > the bacteria combined did the trick. I always see ammonia being suggested as the "additive" to start the nitrogen cycle bacteria. Why not urea? Urea is a "synthetic organic." When bacteria digest urea they first convert it to ammonia. As I understand the nitrogen cycle, it is like this: Urea -> ammonia -> nitrites -> nitrates. Indeed, the form of nitrogen in fish waste is Urea ... Urea is cheap, an 80# sack cost me under $20.00 USD including tax ... If you have ammonia and urea is a hassle, by all means use it (clear ammonia with NO soaps/additives!) If not, use Urea ... right? Urea just seems more inline with the natural nitrogen cycle ... As a side note, 75%-90% of the solids in urine is Urea, urine is sterile, urine contains micro-nutrients--amino acids, minerals, vitamins, etc., most all of these beneficial, or at the least, benign, to plants; however, I do not suggest urinating in our tanks! LOL Regards, JS Regards, JS > Put the plants in first and then add a little ammonia avery day for about > a week. That way you don't need any "seed" fish. Just change the water a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I did it that way and never saw any ammonia or nitrites, the plants and > the bacteria combined did the trick. This i have to try! Off to do some searches. > > Put the plants in first and then add a little ammonia avery day for about > > a week. That way you don't need any "seed" fish. Just change the water a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > This i have to try! Off to do some searches. You can toss in a tiny cocktail shrimp, or some fish food etc and let it spoil for a few days to get the action going, and then remove the cocktail shrimp so it does not become too putrid. Monitor water parameters for rise and then fall of Ammonia and then the nitrate and nitrite cycyles etc.......no live fish need be used, or perhaps the best way is get some filter media from an established tank and use it. Even if there is a chance of ICH or some other problem in the established tank, as long as there is no fish to host inthe new setup it willdie off rather quickly long before the tank is finished cycling. So old filter media form an established tank works great as does fish food or dead cocktailshrimp. > You can toss in a tiny cocktail shrimp, or some fish food etc and let > it spoil for a few days to get the action going, and then remove the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > cycling. So old filter media form an established tank works great as > does fish food or dead cocktailshrimp. You know, I do have another working tank with an Aquaclear 200 in it. That filter currently has 2 of the foam block inserts in it. I should be able to yank one of those out and use it, or even wring both blocks out and pour the water into the new tank. Andy > > You can toss in a tiny cocktail shrimp, or some fish food etc and let > > it spoil for a few days to get the action going, and then remove the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Andy Sure can, just pull those foam blocks out of that filter and place i the new filter. Can you exchange some substrate between the two tanks, as that is also a way, as is using sopme water although water does not carry as much goodies as foam or filter media or substrate does. Just stick some filter bats in the operating filter and in a couple of days it will be in habited as well....... > So, now that the filter is up and running, I obviously need to seed > the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I usually seed with mollies, but Mollies prefer harder water than > Angelfish do. Why torture a fish? Just buy 1 cocktail shrimp from the supermarket. Throw it in, keep everything running (you don't need the lights), Do a 25% water change every week. After 4-5 weeks your tank is fully cycled. But do test first. The throw some useless fish in method will produce at least 1 survivor that is sick and you'll start off with an infected tank. Any small fish that are cheap to buy and quite hardy can be used, barbs are one type you can use. Signaturehttp://www.aquariumfish.me > So, now that the filter is up and running, I obviously need to seed the > tank to get the biological filter going. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I usually seed with mollies, but Mollies prefer harder water than > Angelfish do. |
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