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Pet Forum / Aquaria / Goldfish / September 2004Veiltail looks a bit hurt - advice?
So I noticed that one of my veiltails looked a bit lethargic. Because of the size of their tank (50G) and the fact that there are only two of them, I've only been doing water changes every 2 weeks. Apparently I slipped a little, and the nitrate levels went up to between 20 and 40ppm, which isn't ideal, but hardly heinous (when I 'rescued' these fish, the nitrates were over 300, and there were 4 of them in a 15G tank). I've started water changes every 2 days until it's back under control. However, I noticed that my big veiltail seems to be hurt on his underside, just under his gills. I suspect that it might be from him resting on the bottom, just around some gravel. (The bottom of the tank where they normally stay is bare, save for some stray gravel that they've picked out of pots.) The wound looks white in the centre, and a bit puffy and raw, and red around the sides. It doesn't look like an infection or parasite, but I could be wrong. The other veiltail, who's smaller and usually more sensitive to changing water conditions is happy, fins up, and fairly active. He has no such lesions or abrasions on his body. Nitrates/Ammonia are 0. The hardness is fairly high, but that's typical for around here. The alkalinity seems a little low - around 80. It's usually around 120. The pH is around 7.2 - 7.8. I think it may have dipped below 7.2 for one test, but that was right before a 50% water change. It looked like it was back up at 7.2 right afterward. The tank also seems to have a bad problem with algae, which leads me to think that the nitrate levels would be a little higher if they weren't taking that and the phosphates out of the water. The live plants that I planted are also covered in algae, and it's a bit of a fight to keep them alive. After this little storm has passed, I think I'll try to keep the water changes at once a week, despite the volume of water to goldfish ratio. I would be looking a bunch of this up on the puregold site, but I can't seem to get through. Thanks, JS  Signature========================= jan@chloris.ca ======================== Jan Sacharuk Member in Good Standing of The Discordian Solidarity Turn on viewing of the X-Geek-Code header to see my Geek Code ----------------------------------------------------------------- "You're skating on the edge." "I *am* the edge." -Aeon Flux mirror site. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/disease/disease.htm It is an infection, bacterial.. columnaris. probably lost slime coat in area, then bacteria got in. treat topically with antibiotic creme, feed antibiotic food. bring salt up to 0.1% how old are your water test kits? Ingrid The wound looks white in the centre, and a bit puffy and raw, and red around the sides. >The tank also seems to have a bad problem with algae, which leads me >to think that the nitrate levels would be a little higher if they >weren't taking that and the phosphates out of the water. The live ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. > mirror site. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/disease/disease.htm > It is an infection, bacterial.. columnaris. probably lost slime coat in area, then > bacteria got in. treat topically with antibiotic creme, feed Quick follow-up - how many of those symptoms is it necessary to see to diagnose as columnaris? The only thing that may be close is the sore, but none of the other symptoms are showing. JS Signature========================= jan@chloris.ca ======================== Jan Sacharuk Member in Good Standing of The Discordian Solidarity Turn on viewing of the X-Geek-Code header to see my Geek Code ----------------------------------------------------------------- Triangle Man, Triangle Man, Triangle Man hates Particle Man, They have a fight, Triangle wins, Triangle man. - Particle Man, They might be Giants the sore is all that is needed. all sores/ulcers are bacterial. Ingrid >> mirror site. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/disease/disease.htm >> It is an infection, bacterial.. columnaris. probably lost slime coat in area, then [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >JS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. > mirror site. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/disease/disease.htm > It is an infection, bacterial.. columnaris. probably lost slime coat in area, then > bacteria got in. treat topically with antibiotic creme, feed antibiotic food. > bring salt up to 0.1% > how old are your water test kits? > Ingrid Okay, I picked up a water treatment and an antibiotic medicated food. The food is from Jungle, and claims to help columnaris, so I'm going to go with this. It also says that it's compatible with external water treatments, but I wanted to check that this is going to be okay. The water treatment that I bought is called 'Melafix', and seems to contain 'Melaleuca 1.0%'. Is this okay? Should I be isolating the hurt fish, or assuming that this infection needs to be fought in both fish at this point? I'll be happy as long as I'm told that this stuff won't hurt a healthy fish, really. Oh, this Melafix also says to treat the water for 7 days and then do a 25% water change. I was planning to do water changes in the intervening time. Should I change my schedule to accomodate this medication? That seems the best course of action, I suppose. Thanks, JS Signature========================= jan@chloris.ca ======================== Jan Sacharuk Member in Good Standing of The Discordian Solidarity Turn on viewing of the X-Geek-Code header to see my Geek Code ----------------------------------------------------------------- Triangle Man, Triangle Man, Triangle Man hates Particle Man, They have a fight, Triangle wins, Triangle man. - Particle Man, They might be Giants by topical I mean http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/disease/treatment/trtmnt.htm#topical%20treatment clean the wound. for columnaris PP is ideal. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/disease/treatment/trtmnt.htm#POTASSIUM KORDON has a permoxyn that is PP already made up. see if you can find that. knocks columnaris right out. I would never multiple dose with melaleuca preparations. hard on the gills. Ingrid >The water treatment that I bought is called 'Melafix', and seems to >contain 'Melaleuca 1.0%'. Is this okay? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >JS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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