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Pet Forum / Aquaria / Goldfish / February 2005How to treat fungus ?
It looks like my comet has fungus...what treatments do you recomend ? NZed NZed, Melafix. Tom L.L. ------------------------------------------------ > It looks like my comet has fungus...what treatments do you recomend ? > NZed Well the jury overall is out on the use of Melafix. Maela fix has no known anti bacterial properties as it so states.......trust me on that. I am as well as others are in the process of doing some controlled experiments in regards to melafix and fungus. Once you use melafix your dumping in huge amounts of dissolved organic carbons in your tank, and this is virtually impossible to get out even with potassium permanganate it takes a lot of work and massive water changes..........Melafix is perhaps the new wave of "snake oils" for the pond and aquarium folks. You r money would be better spent on Furanase or Malachite green and formalin than using Melafix. If you do use Melafix or tea tree oil in your pond, be aware you have just added a very large load of Dissolved Organic Carbon, and if you decide later that you want to use PP (potassium permanganate) or other useful treatments, you will need to do several 80 to 90% water changes to get rid of the tea tree oil before starting with anything else (and the anything else would be a better choice at the start, IMO!). Now I have to agree, that tea oil (melafix applied directly to an open wound or sore on a dog or human does have some merit, and does lead to faster healing, but diluting it in thr tank for a treatment for all the claims they make does nothing but make it harder to breathe for the fish and create more headaches further down the road.......There is just too many other proven treatments without all the problems melafix can cause to warrant dumping this "snake oil" in with fish. Just my opinion >===<>NZed, >===<> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >===<>> >===<> REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS My experiences with melafix have all been brilliant. One of my fish had really bad slit in his dorsal fin from spawning which didnt heal in a month. I added melafix and there was improvement within a week. I did do large water changes and add carbon to the water, but that is standard for any meds > Well the jury overall is out on the use of Melafix. Maela fix has no > known anti bacterial properties as it so states.......trust me on [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > fish at Dandy Orandas > Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS Roy, When I had fry (approx 50) ever single one died. Next time I got fry I used to add a few drops of melafix to the water they were in (approx 5 gallons) everytime I did 100% water changes. Once I started doing this I had minimal deaths, this could be just a fluke but it leads me to believe that melafix does have some merit. One of my fry was fungused all over its tiny body within a month of implementing the melafix this had all gone, again, perhaps a fluke. >===<> >===<>Roy, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >===<>within a month of implementing the melafix this had all gone, again, perhaps a >===<>fluke. Geezer, I can't dissagree per se with you............but along with water changes etc is it still not possible that melafix had little to do with it getting cured. I can cure fungus much quicker than one month with PP or Furanase and even MG /F treatments, and none of them add huge amounts of unwated junk to my system. Look at the film the emulsified oil of melafix has......its a proven thing that it does lead to stress as it restricts proper gill fucntion after a certain point. About all its good for so far, IMHO that is, is making your water smell nicer, but if smelly water is a problem you have problems anyhow that need fixing..............Currently I have 5 groups of small feeder type goldfish in 10 gal tanks with 4 fish in each tank.. All feeders were handpicked according to their exibited display of having fungal problems and all came from the same tank at the same time, so theoretically they all suffer from the same malady for the same length of time (theroetically anyhow) I do the same water changes on each tank, use the same water, temps are maintained the same in each tank, same amount and type feed used in each tank as well. The only differences is what is being used to treat the different tanks with. One tank is treated with salt, another with Furnanase, another with Melafix, one with PP and the last with MG/F.........So far the tank treated with PP shows the best results, followed by the Furanase and then MG/F. The salt and melafix tanks look about the same and may even be worse than when I started...........as some of those fish have started to show signs of not eating and having clamped fins........Yes, melafix may work, but it takes longer, somethng a fish may sufficeint qwuanity of to spare is time when its sick.........PP quite effective and yes its much harsher, but done properly shows the most promise.........After this little experiment is over, I intend to repeat it again.......... I also took these same tanks initially and added the usual doses of meds to them without any fish in them, and the tank with melafix took considerably more and longer treatments with PP until it was all removed than any other tank, so it creates a heap more organics in the tank...........I tested water parameters all during the PP dose phases of clearing the tanks, as well as the tanks that are now undergoing the experiments, and the mela fix and salt tanks always have higher readings of bad stuff than the other tanks do. Hey if it works for you and you feel good about using it and the results you get, its your ball game, but in todays world there is just to many products out there that seem to claim to be miracle drugs / cures................Just look at the array of products on stores shelves............its amazing, everyone is jumping on the band wagon. Melafix seems to appeal more to the naturalist types, those that believe more in holistic or natural treatments, than man made chemical types.........you know, herbs, teas, etc etc..........as compared to tetracycline, baytril, MG /F etc etc. Regards Roy REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS Roy, You could be right. MY adding melafix wasn't actually to cure the fry with the huge fungal problem (and believe me it was huge, hence the time it took for the fungus to go away and the side of his body to heal). Any idea where you get info about gill function and melafix as I would like to read that. Cheers Hey Geezer... So far water changes in the one QT shows much improvement with the fish than tanks treated with Melafix does. Still too early to make any firm decisions, but the QT tank treated with PP shows the most marked increase in fish in good condition..actually they all are in fine shape and doing great. MG/F treatment fish are second in regards to showing signs of improvement. I intend to rerun this trial one more time though before I make any conclusion as to most effective treatments, at least for me anyhow. >===<> >===<>Roy, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >===<>within a month of implementing the melafix this had all gone, again, perhaps a >===<>fluke. REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies! Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS > Well the jury overall is out on the use of Melafix. Maela fix has no > known anti bacterial properties as it so states.......trust me on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > your tank, and this is virtually impossible to get out even with > potassium permanganate...... Tell us about your experiments. You're saying Melafix is plant food; interesting. White fuzzy material on the tail usually means fungus that normally shows up after a parasitic infection, treat with Quick Cure, which has formaldehyde for the parasites and malachite green for the fungus. I would do a large water change (25%-50%) remove any carbon from your filter, add the qc (one drop per gallon) next day perform water change (25%) following day qc, next day water change, following day qc and the last day large water change and add carbon back to filter. Hope this helps! Thanks for the useful feedback. We dont have some of these products but can use others which have the ingredients you mentioned. In the meantime I have done a 50% water change and added Methylene Blue and an antiseptic to the water. I do have formaldehyde seperately. Regards NZed > White fuzzy material on the tail usually means fungus that normally > shows up after a parasitic infection, treat with Quick Cure, which has [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > last day large water change and add carbon back to filter. Hope this > helps! |
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