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Pet Forum / Aquaria / Goldfish / February 2007carp/koi in a tank?
I used to keep goldfish, but I no longer have them. I am thinking of putting carp or koi in a 10 gal tank. Maybe only a small one, or up to 3 small ones. Is that ok? Or are they strictly for ponds? I know this may not be the forum, but are carp or koi ok if it's a feng shui tank ... does anyone know? Thanks for any help! NO..they are not meant to be in a 0 gal tank. They grow fast, and in short order will outgrow a 10 gal tank, espeically 3 of them. Koi and most goldies belong in large containers of water re PONDS <<>>I used to keep goldfish, but I no longer have them. I am thinking of <<>>putting carp or koi in a 10 gal tank. Maybe only a small one, or up to <<>>3 small ones. Is that ok? Or are they strictly for ponds? <<>> <<>>I know this may not be the forum, but are carp or koi ok if it's a feng <<>>shui tank ... does anyone know? <<>> <<>>Thanks for any help! ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! >I used to keep goldfish, but I no longer have them. I am thinking of > putting carp or koi in a 10 gal tank. Maybe only a small one, or up to > 3 small ones. Is that ok? Or are they strictly for ponds? What will you do with them in a few months when they outgrow your small tank? Please by pass goldfish and koi and stick with smaller fish. :-) > I know this may not be the forum, but are carp or koi ok if it's a feng > shui tank ... does anyone know? Yes, I raise both. Koi and goldfish are too fast growing and too large to keep in such a small tank.  SignatureZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*> ZB, I take your point. I think I will stick to smaller tropicals. You seem to imply that you know something about feng shui fish ... can I put guppies in my feng shui tank?? Or do you know of a forum or somewhere where I can ask some feng shui fish questions? The only forum I found in Google seems totally inactive and full of junk. Thanks! > >I used to keep goldfish, but I no longer have them. I am thinking of > > putting carp or koi in a 10 gal tank. Maybe only a small one, or up to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > http://tinyurl.com/9do58 > ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*> ZB, I take your point. I think I will stick to smaller tropicals. You seem to imply that you know something about feng shui fish ... can I put guppies in my feng shui tank?? Or do you know of a forum or somewhere where I can ask some feng shui fish questions? The only forum I found in Google seems totally inactive and full of junk. ===================== Hi, sorry but I'm not familiar when feng shui at all, so cannot help you with your feng shui tank. I'm not very familiar with the metric system either. I do know goldfish and koi get large and are not suitable for smaller tanks. SignatureZB.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~~ }<((((({*> hahahaha, your sking a fine one there about Feng Shui.....CArol Gulley aka Zebulon the wueen of liars on USENET probably thinks Feng Shui is some kind of fang dangled feminine problem......... <<>> <<>>"phuile" <phuile@yahoo.ca> wrote in message <<>>news:1168727892.584512.150180@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... <<>>ZB, I take your point. I think I will stick to smaller tropicals. You <<>>seem to imply that you know something about feng shui fish ... can I <<>>put guppies in my feng shui tank?? Or do you know of a forum or <<>>somewhere where I can ask some feng shui fish questions? The only forum <<>>I found in Google seems totally inactive and full of junk. <<>>===================== <<>>Hi, sorry but I'm not familiar when feng shui at all, so cannot help you <<>>with your feng shui tank. I'm not very familiar with the metric system <<>>either. I do know goldfish and koi get large and are not suitable for <<>>smaller tanks. ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! Tristan aka Roy Hauer destroys another NG. Please people, don't feed this troll. Tristan aka Roy Hauer is here to destroy another NG. See what he did to rec.ponds. Please people, don't feed this troll. Now.... down the sewer with him................ FLUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!! > hahahaha, your sking a fine one there about Feng Shui.....CArol Gulley > aka Zebulon the wueen of liars on USENET probably thinks Feng Shui is [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > ------- > I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! Give i t up Roy "TRistan" Hauer.........your a daya late and a dollar short plus your a bigger dumbass whithout a clue who is pronbe to telling lies or ad libbing or lieing about what you post since its always phlagarized sp? Your trolling is getting old and as you can see.... no one cares......... > hahahaha, your sking a fine one there about Feng Shui.....CArol Gulley > aka Zebulon the wueen of liars on USENET probably thinks Feng Shui is [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > ------- > I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! > ZB, I take your point. I think I will stick to smaller tropicals. You > seem to imply that you know something about feng shui fish ... can I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks! OK Im not a great feng shui expert.....my only exposure having been minimal but if I understand the concept that the whole idea is about creating balance and harmony and peace.....so puttting inappropriate fish for the environment will negate this instantly......so you are looking at creating the correct environment for your livestock, that is peaceful and gives the right vibes/karma - am I right or wrong....stop me here if I am off track..... The goldfish/koi will not work but small tropicals might well work....you will need a heater though to get the conditions right....this can easily be hidden by clever planting.....now I would say one of the best tanks that I have is a small 5 gall tank that is lush with greenery and houses some tropical cherry barbs and shrimps - all in that tank is balanced, peaceful and is a pleasure to look at....if I was an advocate of feng shui then I would say that it has been reached in this one small tank.....but JMO and I know very little about the concept of feng shui Gill strictly for ponds. each koi need around 100 gallons each, with a minimum of 500 gallons. koi get to be 36" long. Ingrid >I used to keep goldfish, but I no longer have them. I am thinking of >putting carp or koi in a 10 gal tank. Maybe only a small one, or up to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Thanks for any help! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan > I used to keep goldfish, but I no longer have them. I am thinking of > putting carp or koi in a 10 gal tank. Maybe only a small one, or up to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks for any help! Hey Phuile, Good Feng Shui involves keeping bright, preferably orange, fish in multiples of three. Ideal also to keep one which is black, said to absorb negative energies. As two gold fish is hardly likely to add much energy to a space, it is recommended to keep eight all-gold fish and one black moore, as black as possible. This is thought to be best to attract wealth especially if kept in the left hand corner of a room as viewed from the entrance. Obviously your tank is way too small to keep this many goldfish or koi. Koi make excellent aquarium fish and like many species, their true size can be stunted by the amount of water they are kept in and the number of fish they are kept with, but this is only true to a degree and ultimately they will outgrow the tank or stress out and die - although a way to "cheat" the amount of water they are kept in is to actually change about a quarter or so every day, which will give the fish the illusion of living in a larger body of water even though they are only living in a small amount of it at any one time, like a fish living in a small pool of a larger stream. I would recommend keeping Platys. These are small, brightly coloured, hardy, live-bearers, and keeping nine in a small aquarium would be no problem, and the colours fit well with the feng-shui guidelines. Alternatively, you could keep small goldfish and remove the larger ones as they get too big to stock a pond, or swap in an aquarium for smaller goldfish, which most shops are more than happy to do. A small amount of sea-salt in their water will assist to keep parasites and diseases away, and is very beneficial for all hard-water species such as goldfish, koi, platies and guppies. Though there is much debate about this, consider just how many dissolved minerals are in most creeks and streams where these fish live naturally, and how much is actually in salt-water, and you will realise that one teaspoon per ten litres is not very much salt at all. Too much, however, will stunt plant growth, and there is nothing more pleasing, feng-shui speaking, than bright orange fish swimming amongst lush green plants. Thanks! That's really helpful. I used to have the 8 goldfish and one black moore configuration but it was getting too much for me as I don't have a lot of space to have such a large tank. After this realization, I am now thinking of putting smaller fish into it. That's why the question. Perhaps I can put 8 orange-tail guppies or orange platys (do they come in orange?) with one black fish. I am thinking what that can be. Someone sugested oto cats? for eating up algea. Will that do for the black fish do you think? > Thanks! That's really helpful. I used to have the 8 goldfish and one > black moore configuration but it was getting too much for me as I don't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Someone sugested oto cats? for eating up algea. Will that do for the > black fish do you think? I've always viewed catfish as "extras" which help keep the glass clean, but don't really count as one of the energisers of a space such as an aquarium. Platies do indeed come in orange, and I would recommend a black molly if not for the fact they can be too agressive. Try and get a female if you go down that path. The darkest of platies are generally blue in colour, but if you ever find a black strain, let me know and I'll make sure we keep the species going. There's no reason why a small black moore can't be used as the ninth member in a feng shui tank. Just remember not to buy it from a place that has diseased fish. Pet shops are notorious for passing on fish diseases. Ask them about their quarantine room. If they don't have one, you will get diseased fish. I once bought fish at Byron Bay pet shop. Never again. On Jan 27, 11:17 am, franknfurter_franknst...@yahoo.com.au wrote: > > Thanks! That's really helpful. I used to have the 8 goldfish and one > > black moore configuration but it was getting too much for me as I don't [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > you will get diseased fish. I once bought fish at Byron Bay pet shop. > Never again. What is your problem Mr Frankfurter. Perhaps as the previous owner of the Byron Pet Shop, you did sell diseased fish. But never, ever have we being accused of selling diseased fish. We have quarantine tanks in an area not visible to the public, so anyone who needs see these they have to ask...not a usual request though I must say. Pull your head in or speak to our solicitor as this is defamation. I bet CArol Gulley is probbaly related to Frankfurter dude....Sounds just like a Gulley from Tenn. To be honest I bet frankfurter is probbaly CArol Gulleys buddy Ed Alston! He is emphatuated with buttholes etc so that post that was made would fit right up Ed Alstons alley as its of his mindset! <<>>On Jan 27, 11:17 am, franknfurter_franknst...@yahoo.com.au wrote: <<>>> On Jan 24, 3:59 pm, "phuile" <phu...@yahoo.ca> wrote: <<>>> <<>>> > Thanks! That's really helpful. I used to have the 8 goldfish and one <<>>> > black moore configuration but it was getting too much for me as I don't <<>>> > have a lot of space to have such a large tank. After this realization, <<>>> > I am now thinking of putting smaller fish into it. That's why the <<>>> > question. Perhaps I can put 8 orange-tail guppies or orange platys (do <<>>> > they come in orange?) with one black fish. I am thinking what that can <<>>> > be. <<>>> <<>>> > Someone sugested oto cats? for eating up algea. Will that do for the <<>>> > black fish do you think? <<>>> <<>>> I've always viewed catfish as "extras" which help keep the glass clean, <<>>> but don't really count as one of the energisers of a space such as an <<>>> aquarium. Platies do indeed come in orange, and I would recommend a <<>>> black molly if not for the fact they can be too agressive. Try and get <<>>> a female if you go down that path. The darkest of platies are generally <<>>> blue in colour, but if you ever find a black strain, let me know and <<>>> I'll make sure we keep the species going. <<>>> <<>>> There's no reason why a small black moore can't be used as the ninth <<>>> member in a feng shui tank. Just remember not to buy it from a place <<>>> that has diseased fish. Pet shops are notorious for passing on fish <<>>> diseases. Ask them about their quarantine room. If they don't have one, <<>>> you will get diseased fish. I once bought fish at Byron Bay pet shop. <<>>> Never again. <<>> <<>>What is your problem Mr Frankfurter. Perhaps as the previous owner of <<>>the Byron Pet Shop, you did sell diseased fish. But never, ever have <<>>we being accused of selling diseased fish. We have quarantine tanks in <<>>an area not visible to the public, so anyone who needs see these they <<>>have to ask...not a usual request though I must say. Pull your head in <<>>or speak to our solicitor as this is defamation. ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! Yes you can get orange platys....most common colour that I have seen....and you can get all sorts of hues....my current fav is the sunset platy which is pale orange body and bright orange tail....you can also get wagtails - bright orange body and black tails.....in fact the number of colour morphs is quite considerable - I got given a free book on Platys the other day coz I spent more than £10 on buying some and they have a picture of some amazing vibrant blue platys - never seen them myself but they obviously are out there somewhere.... For black you could always add a Mollie if you are going tropical with the platys.....there are a number of varieties...right now I'm quite keen on the lyretails but as with the platys there is a lot of choice out there.... yes, Ottos will consume some algae but so will amano shrimps and it could well be that these might give you your required balance rather than additional fish.....Ottos are delicate and IME don't take to any other food once the algae has gone.....amano shrimps IME have always been far more adaptable.....but they do cost (as a warning)....BTW Ottos are more brownish than black if colour is your consideration Gill Gee ... thanks for all the suggestions. I've never consider mollies but will take a look. I've black moores before but they tend to grow big as goldfish, so I am not too sure. But I will go with some platies. I hope they will be happy! I still have a question concerning filter but I will start a new thread for that. Thanks! > Gee ... thanks for all the suggestions. I've never consider mollies > but will take a look. I've black moores before but they tend to grow > big as goldfish, so I am not too sure. But I will go with some > platies. I hope they will be happy! I still have a question concerning > filter but I will start a new thread for that. > Thanks! actually for a black live bearer ya can't go past the new swordtails they really are very very goochy indeed As to Byron Pets being a bad shop I couldn't disagree more Always looked after me and by far the best in the area. I'm a fussy customer too! Anyone who is willing to order me in obscure wild caughts or selectively get me an awesome full size panda oranda is always gonna be in my good books. Maybe Mr Frankfurter needs to get some skills because Byron Pets has had the best rep in the area for a long time now! I should know I used to work there! And I don't just work in any old shop They have to put the fish first :) Your remarks are pure defamation and it doesn't take much to neo-trace you back to Bangalow. Seems someone is violating the conditions of a court finding. Swarvegorilla |
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