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Hi: My uncle just gave me 2 small aquariums. The first has a single 3-4 inch (body length only) goldfish in it that has always been alone. (At least 1 year old.) Its just a plain orange one, with very long tail fins. The second has two very small goldfish, each about 1/2 to 3/4 inch long (body length only.) I'm not sure how old they are. They look like they are a different species of goldfish. Just a little orange, with small fins. I would like to buy one large 50 gallon aquarium and put all 3 of them together. My question is, is the big goldfish apt to go after/attack/kill the two small fish? Like I said, he/she has always been alone, and is much bigger than the 2 small ones. If I can't keep them together, I was thinking about getting another 3-4 inch goldfish to put in with the big one. But again, my question would be, would the current fish attack the new one, even though it was about the same size? I know very little about goldfish, but I've learned a lot in the past 3-4 days about the care and feeding. What I don't know about is the social patterns of goldfish, especially one that has always been alone most/all of its life. Thanks a lot. Dave Well its nice to think on putting them alltogetheirna larger tank, however those tiny ones will be large in short order, and to be perfectly honest, goldifish really need to be kept outdoors or in a tank much larger than a 55 gal setup. The small ones ought to do just fine with the larger as they are not agrressive....and any tendency for th elarger to eat smaller was when those smaller fish were much smaller than they are now.... Why not lookinto getting a small prform and set it up outside, to house them allin. 3 goldies would do fine outside in a 90 or so gal preform for a long time.....Don;t know what area / zone your in but godies in general do just fine outdoors most everywhere as long as pond doe snot freed completely, but that issue is easy enought to take care of as well......I'm sure Dr. Solo will be around this group in due time, and she is the goldie guru.......... That said, yes foks keep gf in indoor aquariums al the time.Can it be done, yes,is it the best way, no, but in general larger is better in terms of aquarium size and there is no such thing as two large for goldies. They gropw fast and make a lot of ,mess, so a good oversized filter system is also important. As is proper water changes. Lots of luck, but if possible consider a preform outside for best results and then fill those other tanks up with some nice smallish tropicals. Regards <<>>Hi: <<>> My uncle just gave me 2 small aquariums. The first has a single <<>>3-4 inch (body length only) goldfish in it that has always been alone. <<>>(At least 1 year old.) Its just a plain orange one, with very long <<>>tail fins. <<>> The second has two very small goldfish, each about 1/2 to 3/4 <<>>inch long (body length only.) I'm not sure how old they are. They <<>>look like they are a different species of goldfish. Just a little <<>>orange, with small fins. <<>> <<>> I would like to buy one large 50 gallon aquarium and put all 3 of <<>>them together. <<>> My question is, is the big goldfish apt to go after/attack/kill <<>>the two small fish? Like I said, he/she has always been alone, and is <<>>much bigger than the 2 small ones. <<>> <<>>If I can't keep them together, I was thinking about getting another <<>>3-4 inch goldfish to put in with the big one. <<>> But again, my question would be, would the current fish attack <<>>the new one, even though it was about the same size? <<>> <<>> I know very little about goldfish, but I've learned a lot in the <<>>past 3-4 days about the care and feeding. <<>> What I don't know about is the social patterns of goldfish, <<>>especially one that has always been alone most/all of its life. <<>> <<>> Thanks a lot. <<>> Dave ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! >Well its nice to think on putting them alltogetheirna larger tank, >however those tiny ones will be large in short order, and to be [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >------- >I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! Hi Tristan, Thanks for your quick response. I'm completely out of my game here. Never had fish before. I took them because my uncle was going to flush them. My neighbor has a big pond. Maybe I'll ask him this spring if I can put the fish there. He has a bunch of fish in it already. I live in Michigan. Very, very cold up here. Lots of snow & ice. Dave Well rescueing any fish is better than flushing them. Fish are not hard to keep, but the problem lies in that they are more than likely common comet goldies, and they do get big relatively fast, and make quite a mess and are not really suited to indoor tanks due to size and water temps. I am pretty sure yur tanks yu have now would probbaly be a good home for a tropical setup...which are more suiitable to indoor living and very relaxing and rewarding to have. Michigan weather is not an obstacle for most types of goldies, as long as tey have a body of water that is unfrozen and has an air hole for gasseous exchange they do just fine.....even if that body of water is under 2 feet of ice. If that pond has bass or other types of predator or game fins hinit odds are those goldies wil become a meal in short order. Is there a pet shop that wold take them in if yur not wanting to fool with them. Often times folks just gice em back to a pet shop, or trade them for tropcial or other items.....just a thought. Just be aware depending on the pond and its location an dits proximity to rivers or streams it may or may not be legal to put goldies in it, so thats just something to think about.Have fun and once again thanks for not allowing them to be flushed...... Regards <<>>On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:23:57 -0600, Tristin <<>><tristansaintjohn@yahoo.com> wrote: <<>> <<>>>Well its nice to think on putting them alltogetheirna larger tank, <<>>>however those tiny ones will be large in short order, and to be <<>>>perfectly honest, goldifish really need to be kept outdoors or in a <<>>>tank much larger than a 55 gal setup. The small ones ought to do just <<>>>fine with the larger as they are not agrressive....and any tendency <<>>>for th elarger to eat smaller was when those smaller fish were much <<>>>smaller than they are now.... <<>>> <<>>>Why not lookinto getting a small prform and set it up outside, to <<>>>house them allin. 3 goldies would do fine outside in a 90 or so gal <<>>>preform for a long time.....Don;t know what area / zone your in but <<>>>godies in general do just fine outdoors most everywhere as long as <<>>>pond doe snot freed completely, but that issue is easy enought to take <<>>>care of as well......I'm sure Dr. Solo will be around this group in <<>>>due time, and she is the goldie guru.......... <<>>> <<>>>That said, yes foks keep gf in indoor aquariums al the time.Can it be <<>>>done, yes,is it the best way, no, but in general larger is better in <<>>>terms of aquarium size and there is no such thing as two large for <<>>>goldies. They gropw fast and make a lot of ,mess, so a good oversized <<>>>filter system is also important. As is proper water changes. Lots of <<>>>luck, but if possible consider a preform outside for best results and <<>>>then fill those other tanks up with some nice smallish tropicals. <<>>> <<>>>Regards <<>>> <<>>> <<>>> <<>>> <<>>><<>>Hi: <<>>><<>> My uncle just gave me 2 small aquariums. The first has a single <<>>><<>>3-4 inch (body length only) goldfish in it that has always been alone. <<>>><<>>(At least 1 year old.) Its just a plain orange one, with very long <<>>><<>>tail fins. <<>>><<>> The second has two very small goldfish, each about 1/2 to 3/4 <<>>><<>>inch long (body length only.) I'm not sure how old they are. They <<>>><<>>look like they are a different species of goldfish. Just a little <<>>><<>>orange, with small fins. <<>>><<>> <<>>><<>> I would like to buy one large 50 gallon aquarium and put all 3 of <<>>><<>>them together. <<>>><<>> My question is, is the big goldfish apt to go after/attack/kill <<>>><<>>the two small fish? Like I said, he/she has always been alone, and is <<>>><<>>much bigger than the 2 small ones. <<>>><<>> <<>>><<>>If I can't keep them together, I was thinking about getting another <<>>><<>>3-4 inch goldfish to put in with the big one. <<>>><<>> But again, my question would be, would the current fish attack <<>>><<>>the new one, even though it was about the same size? <<>>><<>> <<>>><<>> I know very little about goldfish, but I've learned a lot in the <<>>><<>>past 3-4 days about the care and feeding. <<>>><<>> What I don't know about is the social patterns of goldfish, <<>>><<>>especially one that has always been alone most/all of its life. <<>>><<>> <<>>><<>> Thanks a lot. <<>>><<>> Dave <<>>> <<>>> <<>>> <<>>>------- <<>>>I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! <<>> <<>>Hi Tristan, <<>> Thanks for your quick response. I'm completely out of my game <<>>here. Never had fish before. I took them because my uncle was going <<>>to flush them. <<>> My neighbor has a big pond. Maybe I'll ask him this spring if I <<>>can put the fish there. He has a bunch of fish in it already. <<>>I live in Michigan. Very, very cold up here. Lots of snow & ice. <<>> <<>> Dave ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! > Thanks for your quick response. I'm completely out of my game > here. Never had fish before. I took them because my uncle was going > to flush them. > My neighbor has a big pond. Maybe I'll ask him this spring if I > can put the fish there. He has a bunch of fish in it already. > I live in Michigan. Very, very cold up here. Lots of snow & ice. ====================== They live very well indoors in fishtanks. That's how the really expensive ones are kept. They can live as long as 15 years if well cared for.  SignatureRM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~ }<(((((o> >> Thanks for your quick response. I'm completely out of my game >> here. Never had fish before. I took them because my uncle was going [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > They live very well indoors in fishtanks. That's how the really expensive > ones are kept. They can live as long as 15 years if well cared for. This is true. Ornamental goldfish do well indoors...much better than outside. > Hi: > My uncle just gave me 2 small aquariums. The first has a single [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > look like they are a different species of goldfish. Just a little > orange, with small fins. Are you sure these are goldfish and not platys? They don't usually sell them that small. > I would like to buy one large 50 gallon aquarium and put all 3 of > them together. > My question is, is the big goldfish apt to go after/attack/kill > the two small fish? Like I said, he/she has always been alone, and is > much bigger than the 2 small ones. Gold fish don't attack each other. During spawning they chase each other about the tank but seldom is any harm done. > If I can't keep them together, I was thinking about getting another > 3-4 inch goldfish to put in with the big one. > But again, my question would be, would the current fish attack > the new one, even though it was about the same size? No. Goldfish actually like company. > I know very little about goldfish, but I've learned a lot in the > past 3-4 days about the care and feeding. > What I don't know about is the social patterns of goldfish, > especially one that has always been alone most/all of its life. Just set up your bigger tank and put them together. Feed a varied diet, use a good filter, do partial water changes weekly and enjoy! SignatureRM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~ }<(((((o> > Are you sure these are goldfish and not platys? They don't usually sell > them that small. It is quite common to see small goldfish on sale at least where I live......Platys are quite a different distinct species and I rather suspect that most would not confuse the two....in fact I believe in the US you have the rather nasty term of describing these fish as "feeders" - here in the UK we sell them as pets....but afterall YMMV Carol.... Gill Of course they sell tiny GF in the lfs here, contrary to what Carol aka Reel McKoi the lunatic / buffoon says.......The lfs are full of tiny goldies, usually all are culls and they are intended for a short lifetime. Sold for food for larger fish and reptiles......Carol aka Reel McKoi does not have a good tracdk record of providing the truth in any answer she posts........and her past history only proves she is going to always post 180 deg opposite of anyone else posts.......If I said they do fine in a indoor aquarium, she would argue till the cows come home, that they need to be outside. Its best to disregard any info the buffooon posts as its bound to be absurd or wrong. Just a short search in google will prove how much of a lunatic she is. Right now CArol or any one of her mophing user nyms is going through a bad day of meltdowns .......and being kill filtered by most users......... <<>>Reel McKoi wrote: <<>> <<>>> <<>>> <<>>> Are you sure these are goldfish and not platys? They don't usually sell <<>>> them that small. <<>>> <<>>> <<>>It is quite common to see small goldfish on sale at least where I <<>>live......Platys are quite a different distinct species and I rather <<>>suspect that most would not confuse the two....in fact I believe in the <<>>US you have the rather nasty term of describing these fish as "feeders" <<>>- here in the UK we sell them as pets....but afterall YMMV Carol.... <<>> <<>>Gill ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! >> Are you sure these are goldfish and not platys? They don't usually sell >> them that small. >> > It is quite common to see small goldfish on sale at least where I > live......Platys are quite a different distinct species and I rather > suspect that most would not confuse the two... People do indeed confuse them Gill. I worked part time in a pet shop after I retired. Another one they confused with goldfish were the gold female swordtails. But then the area was more rural back then and people weren't all that sophisticated where pet fish were concerned. I have never seen GF that small being sold in the stores. I don't even sell mine that small from the house. .in fact I believe in the > US you have the rather nasty term of describing these fish as "feeders" - > here in the UK we sell them as pets.... People buy "feeders" for pets all the time. Stock pond owners sometimes buy them for mosquito and duck weed control. I don't believe in feeding live fish to other fish. but afterall YMMV Carol.... SignatureRM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~ }<(((((o> Carol Gulley aka Reel McKoi is a purveyor of erroneoous info that does not have a good track record of providing proper advice all at the expense of her victims and the life of the fish.. <<>> <<>>"Gill Passman" <gillnospamat@gillsfish.co.uk> wrote in message <<>>news:45e4d86a$0$759$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk... <<>>> <<>>>> <<>>>> <<>>>> Are you sure these are goldfish and not platys? They don't usually sell <<>>>> them that small. <<>>>> <<>>>> <<>>> It is quite common to see small goldfish on sale at least where I <<>>> live......Platys are quite a different distinct species and I rather <<>>> suspect that most would not confuse the two... <<>> <<>>People do indeed confuse them Gill. I worked part time in a pet shop after <<>>I retired. Another one they confused with goldfish were the gold female <<>>swordtails. But then the area was more rural back then and people weren't <<>>all that sophisticated where pet fish were concerned. I have never seen GF <<>>that small being sold in the stores. I don't even sell mine that small from <<>>the house. <<>> <<>>.in fact I believe in the <<>>> US you have the rather nasty term of describing these fish as "feeders" - <<>>> here in the UK we sell them as pets.... <<>> <<>>People buy "feeders" for pets all the time. Stock pond owners sometimes <<>>buy them for mosquito and duck weed control. I don't believe in feeding <<>>live fish to other fish. <<>> <<>>but afterall YMMV Carol.... ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! > Carol Gulley aka Reel McKoi is a purveyor of erroneoous info that does > not have a good track record of providing proper advice all at the > expense of her victims and the life of the fish.. Seek professional help Roy, before you pop your cork and harm someone... maybe yourself. >> Hi: >> My uncle just gave me 2 small aquariums. The first has a single [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > No. Goldfish actually like company. This is true. Mine interact with each other constantly and tamely. They love company. >> I know very little about goldfish, but I've learned a lot in the >> past 3-4 days about the care and feeding. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Just set up your bigger tank and put them together. Feed a varied diet, > use a good filter, do partial water changes weekly and enjoy! >> No. Goldfish actually like company. > > This is true. Mine interact with each other constantly and tamely. They > love company. ======================== Right! In my ponds they stick together in little loose knit groups. Indoors I have two 55g tanks for my favorite fancy goldies. I don't keep them alone unless they're being treated for something and need medication, or when they're new and in quarantine. I quarantine everything for 21 days. SignatureRM.... Frugal ponding since 1995. rec.ponder since late 1996. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> ~~~ }<(((((o> What would a loner and a.shole like you know aabout company Carol, you have no friends not even the fish you keep like you. Your own husband can;t stand you either........no wonder he likes to download porn.......your nothing but a carpet bagging trashy toss out from many husbands that found out about you the hard way......go back to Brooklyn or the Bronx...... <<>> <<>>"Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote in message <<>>news:es2lut$ikl$1@daisy.noc.ucla.edu... <<>>> <<>>> "Reel McKoi" <silver_iconREMOVE@THISnerdshack.com> wrote in message <<>>> news:es2kph$tf6$1@registered.motzarella.org... <<>>>> <<>>>> No. Goldfish actually like company. <<>>> <<>>> This is true. Mine interact with each other constantly and tamely. They <<>>> love company. <<>>======================== <<>>Right! In my ponds they stick together in little loose knit groups. <<>>Indoors I have two 55g tanks for my favorite fancy goldies. I don't keep <<>>them alone unless they're being treated for something and need medication, <<>>or when they're new and in quarantine. I quarantine everything for 21 <<>>days. ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! Call the VA hospital and get back in treatment Roy Hauer. We can't help you, only a good psychiatrist can help you. You can't be cured but you can be treated and your mental disorder controlled. > What would a loner and a.shole like you know aabout company Carol, you > have no friends not even the fish you keep like you. Your own husband [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > ------- > I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! Common goldies have long fins too, and they do not do as well as ryunkins and orandas and lion heads do......get a clue, comets need to be in a larger tank as they grow fast....If its one of these ornamentals then you can get by with it in a indoor tank to some degree. Being laone is not a concern with them, its mostly a human inhibition and trait. They school up and they also stay by themselves.....either way it will be fine...... If the smaller ones are actually goldies it wil not take long until they get large too......do a few searches on google and see if you can identify what type of goldfish th elarger one is, as well as the smaller supposedly goldies..... <<>>Hi: <<>> My uncle just gave me 2 small aquariums. The first has a single <<>>3-4 inch (body length only) goldfish in it that has always been alone. <<>>(At least 1 year old.) Its just a plain orange one, with very long <<>>tail fins. <<>> The second has two very small goldfish, each about 1/2 to 3/4 <<>>inch long (body length only.) I'm not sure how old they are. They <<>>look like they are a different species of goldfish. Just a little <<>>orange, with small fins. <<>> <<>> I would like to buy one large 50 gallon aquarium and put all 3 of <<>>them together. <<>> My question is, is the big goldfish apt to go after/attack/kill <<>>the two small fish? Like I said, he/she has always been alone, and is <<>>much bigger than the 2 small ones. <<>> <<>>If I can't keep them together, I was thinking about getting another <<>>3-4 inch goldfish to put in with the big one. <<>> But again, my question would be, would the current fish attack <<>>the new one, even though it was about the same size? <<>> <<>> I know very little about goldfish, but I've learned a lot in the <<>>past 3-4 days about the care and feeding. <<>> What I don't know about is the social patterns of goldfish, <<>>especially one that has always been alone most/all of its life. <<>> <<>> Thanks a lot. <<>> Dave ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! Go too http://weloveteaching.com/ Thats the source for the webs best advice on goldfish...... ------- I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! > Go too > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ------- > I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know! Advice which contradicts your limited knowledge posts at almost every level. Please go far far away. I have had larger GF go after smaller ones. GF are quite predatory. If they arent GF then the likelihood is that the small ones will be lunch. 10 gallons per GF, 20 gallon smallest due to GF sensitive to rapid temp changes. 5 gf of same size in a 50 is good. HOWEVER, I am now a believer in the "closed aquarium (or pond)" concept, meaning never ever add new fish to an existing tank or pond because inevitably fish are going to pick up something from each other, get sick, and die. Now if all 5 fish came from same pet store within 6 months and the newer ones were quarantined for a couple weeks before putting them in, well fine. I have had the same 22 koi in my pond for years now, no new additions and there wont be a new addition either. people who get new fish, even those who quarantine their new fish for a month or so always seem to end up with dead and dying fish. the longer you have a fish that is HEALTHY, I think their immunity to cooties just drops away until they are quite susceptible to all kinds of disease. So get that 1 goldfish a 20 gallon+ tank all for itself (long fins need more water anyway) and that one GF will be much friendlier to people. Ingrid >Hi: > My uncle just gave me 2 small aquariums. The first has a single [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Thanks a lot. > Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?hl=en&q=puregold&qt_s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan >I have had larger GF go after smaller ones. GF are quite predatory. If they arent >GF then the likelihood is that the small ones will be lunch. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >So get that 1 goldfish a 20 gallon+ tank all for itself (long fins need more water >anyway) and that one GF will be much friendlier to people. Ingrid Crossed this over into rec.ponds, good discussion, in regards to not adding new fish. RE: the koi pond. We've had this discussion at meetings, had speakers come, etc. And the points I've gotten from the meeting is either do like you're doing, don't add, or swap out after long quarantine times, thus keeping the immunity up to new things in the older fish. I've been doing the later as I'm trying to get more variety of color. Once I get to that point, I'll stop. ~ jan |
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