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Pet Forum / Aquaria / Goldfish / September 2007How much epsom salt to combat dropsy?
Hi: About 2 weeks ago I wrote a post about one of my favorite goldfish, who had lots of problems, including an eye that was completely clouded over. Doing daily water changes and adding aquariium salt and melafix seemed to help a lot, and up till today she seemed to be doing very well. Good apetite, not hiding, red spots cleared up, and eye back to normal. This morning she has blown up like a balloon, and her scales are pineconing. This all has happened since yesterday. I've done some reading, and it appears to be dropsy in its full-blown final stages. Most of what I read offers little hope that she will survive, but I'm going to try. All the water parameters are good: ammonia and nitrite are zero and nitrate is 10-20. PH is about 7.4 to 7.6. Water temp is 72-74 F. I'm going out to get some rommet B food as soon as I post this. Here's my question (finally). I've read that epson salt should be used to try to help reduce the internal fluid buildup. What ratio should I use? "Goldie" still seems perky and swims OK, and she ate ok this morning, but she looks like a blimp. This happened _fast_! Any other suggestions? PS: years ago I worked in a group home, which had a communal fish tank. One day the fish died, and I was assigned the job of cleaning everything up and putting the tank away. A week or so later I got a terrible infection in one of my fingers. Over the next 2 months it spred up my hand and arm. Several doctors could not diagnose it, and numerous antibiotics were tried. Nothing worked. Finallly I was sent to a specialist who diagnosed it as some type of mycobacterium. (sp?) I don't remember the name of the med he gave me, but it cleared everything up in about 2-3 weeks. I do remember that it was TERRIBLY expensive. The specialist said that this bug was quite rare in humans. I think I must have gotten it from cleaning the tank, but I'll never know for sure. However, ever since then I have tested positive for TB. I'm told that this bacteria is some form of TB, although I have no symptoms of TB. Could this bacteria still be in my system, and could it have somehow got passed into my fish tank? (I never wear gloves but maybe I'lll have too from now on.) Dave123 On Sep 5, 12:38 pm, dave...@home.com wrote: > Hi: > About 2 weeks ago I wrote a post about one of my favorite [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Dave123 Place fish in zip lock baggie, or wrap in saran wrap (This makes clean up a lot easier) place bagged fish on floor cover with newspaper and drop brick on it, or place foot squarely on top of fish and push down firmly until you feel allthe resistence of it sort of blow out. Thats it, all thats left is to bend over and pick up newspaper and bagged fish and toss in trash. Now you can go set down and cry your eyes out that you had to kill your little fishie, but then again you were killing it slowly all along with the conditions it was kept in.......Then the best therapy is go to Wal Mart and buy a pet rock or chia pet! As for your fish induced disease. If we can find a big enough zip lock baggie we can arrange to have you treated too if your interested. I usre hope you wear a condom if your screwing too, as who would ever wanty to get a fish induced communicabnle disease passed on to them through sex....No wonder AIDS is like it is........... here is the treatment for dropsy pioneered by Jo Ann, the Goldfish Guru http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/disease/symptom/byname.htm#dropsy basically it is: shove temp up to 86oF, add 1/8 teaspoon of Epsom salts per 5 gallons and NO regular salt. feed antibiotic food like romet or with oxolinic acid I have heard of humans getting fish mycobacterium. but in humans it is a cutaneous form of TB. I dont think you have it anymore, just the antibody. dropsy is caused by lots and lots of different things. dropsy is a loss of regulation of electrolytes, sorta like edema in humans. heat is the most important part of treating it in fish. Ingrid >Hi: > About 2 weeks ago I wrote a post about one of my favorite [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Dave123 >here is the treatment for dropsy pioneered by Jo Ann, the Goldfish >Guru [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >humans. heat is the most important part of treating it in fish. >Ingrid (snip my original post) Hi Dr. Solo, Thank you for your continuing responses & help over the past couple weeks. I have 3 more questions: 1. When using epson salt, do I dose the tank once, or keep adding a new dose every day? I would assume that just one dose of the proper strength is needed. 2. Will the epsom salt hurt my other goldfish, which shows no signs of any problems? I only have one tank. Do I need to get another one and separate the 2 fish? They are real "close" and I think they would be stressed to be separated. Once when I put a partition in the tank both struggled like crazy to get to each other past the partition. 3. Finally, where in the world can I get romet B? I spent five hours yesterday in a nearby large city visiting 6 fish shops and none of them had romet, and even claimed to have neever heard of it. Thanks again, Dave123 On Sep 6, 12:42 pm, dave...@home.com wrote: > >here is the treatment for dropsy pioneered by Jo Ann, the Goldfish > >Guru [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - yea, go b y a 90 gal for the healthy one, and a zip lock bag for the loser. DUH..you are a nut case Dave..............Liostening to those LFS and romet is like listening to that lesbo Dr. Solo.are you a gay guy perhaps dave, is that why you like Ingrid so much.your two closet queers? On Sep 6, 12:42 pm, dave...@home.com wrote: > >here is the treatment for dropsy pioneered by Jo Ann, the Goldfish > >Guru [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Sounds like the real close fish were probably queer goldies....just like you dave.......... On Sep 6, 12:42 pm, dave...@home.com wrote: > >here is the treatment for dropsy pioneered by Jo Ann, the Goldfish > >Guru [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - 1. Garlic, salta nd pepper and some paprika and onions is a much better seasoning than Epsom salts 2. Like previously stated, yes, but a fully equipped 90 gal tank at a minimum 3. You can get Romet at the Romet B store, its so common your just too stupid to look in the right places Dave. Do you want flowers or a charity donation for when that fish croaks.........which brings up the question.Would that goldfish then be a croaker. Wonder how long it takes once its dead until it starts to stink and grow fungal crap on it. I seem to think watching a dead fish grow fungus would be much more interesting than try8ing to save a 13 cent feeder thats looks like a pine cone............duh! Maybe once it kicks the bucket you can get it mounted and hang it on the living room wall.. dose it once, then add more when adding more water. dont worry about overdosing when adding 1/8 teaspoon per dose. no, Epsom salts is mild. dont move anybody out and stress teh dropsied fish at this point. Antibiotics in food The food I use is Romet B. However, antibiotic food can be made by either soaking sinking pellets in antibiotic laced water, by mixing antibiotics into cooled gelatin, or by coating the food and rolling the food in oil to keep the antibiotics on the food in the water. TMP-4 and oxolinic acid are two good antibiotics to add to food. Erythromycin is used when staph or strep (gram positive bacteria) is suspected. Almost all pathogenic bacteria are resistant to Tetracycline. Fishy Fharmacy 1-800-423-2035 you can get kanamycin or something like that in pet stores. google for Dandy Orandas and see if the guy has antibiotic food of some kind. the heat is the most important part of the treatment. but do finally get the antibiotic food and keep in frozen. romet B is used on catfish farms. Ingrid > > 1. When using epson salt, do I dose the tank once, or keep [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Dave123 On Sep 6, 10:39 pm, dr-s...@wi.rr.com wrote: > dose it once, then add more when adding more water. dont worry about > overdosing when adding 1/8 teaspoon per dose. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Ah go on Ingrid..............jkust post your phone etc so he can call you up! Its pubnlic info you know..........since you have a website its public info and readily available so why worry.............afterall thats the in thing and exactly what Gill does! 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Allow me to suggest you save your money as most of these easily bought (no prescription) medications no longer work. The bacteria are immune to them due to overuse. I've had goldfish for many years and none ever survived dropsy.  SignatureRM.... My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> |
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