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Pet Forum / Aquaria / Goldfish / November 2007Poll: How long will the big Sword plant survive with the big Goldfish
I've got a horrendous outbreak of BGA in my Goldfish tank. It's gotten so bad it plugs the filter screens every week and now the sink drain is plugged. So I plucked the large Sword out of my office tank (20 G) and put in a bowl of gravel in the GF tank. I'm hoping it's big enough to outgrow the GF nibbling and reduce the Nitrates. It was getting way too big for the office anyway. The first day I put it in the tank they hid in the other corner away from the large green thing. But now they have discovered that it's covered in Snails as they cruise through the leaves. I was informed that they did not want their food today. No wonder, they've been eating Escargot all day. In the past they've pretty much destroyed everything I put in the tank with them; they either eat it or dig it up. It does not matter that they are not supposed to like that variety of plant. I was watching them swim by the plant tonight and they were giving me the "who us, eat your plant" look. LOL. We shall see. > I've got a horrendous outbreak of BGA in my Goldfish tank. It's gotten so > bad it plugs the filter screens every week and now the sink drain is > plugged. How many GF and what size are they? How many gallons is the tank? How often are you doing partial water changes? It sounds like some major partial water changes are in order. > So I plucked the large Sword out of my office tank (20 G) and put in a > bowl of gravel in the GF tank. I'm hoping it's big enough to outgrow the > GF nibbling and reduce the Nitrates. Forget the plant. It sounds like the tank is in desperate need of water changes. It was getting way too big for the office > anyway. The first day I put it in the tank they hid in the other corner > away from the large green thing. But now they have discovered that it's [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > We shall see. My GF seldom damage the plants. GF are browers and nibble all day long. Perhaps you need to feed them more often.  SignatureRM.... Zone 6. Middle TN USA ~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö> > I've got a horrendous outbreak of BGA in my Goldfish tank. It's gotten so > bad it plugs the filter screens every week and now the sink drain is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > We shall see. Sorry I didn't read your post until now, but the subject (sword plants) isn't where my knowledge is. Outside the house...I have a gorgeous flower garden...inside the house and fish tanks....I can kill the *un-killable* plants. = / However, your problem with BGA (Cyanobacteria) is easily cured Maracyn (1) or any straight erythromicin antibiotic. However, it has to be that one, not some other antibiotic. If you are having nitrate problems, you need to up your water changes, gravel vacuuming, and figure out why. What size tank is it, and how many (sizes too) Goldies do you have in it? When it comes to Cyanobacteria, you have 2 options. Kill it or battle it. To kill it, you treat it with antibiotics, just like any other bacterial infection. To battle it, you'll need to keep pristine water, starve it of nitrates, no sunlight, turn your lights off for longer periods of time, and check your phosphate level. Cyano feeds off all 3, but only needs one to keep it thriving. >> I've got a horrendous outbreak of BGA in my Goldfish tank. It's gotten so >> bad it plugs the filter screens every week and now the sink drain is [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > periods of time, and check your phosphate level. > Cyano feeds off all 3, but only needs one to keep it thriving. Yes Erythromycin will kill off BGA. Oddly enough I gave my filters a thorough cleaning (discovered the intake tubes were partially blocked) and the BGA has all but gone. BGA hates current too. It was hiding some other type of algae, like string algae, only shorter. There are 3 GF, one 8", one 6" and one 3+". I used to have two small ones, but he died of dropsy a few weeks ago. I have no gravel and they get bathed every week (50% water change). Giving them the plant has caused a Columnaris outbreak, likely due to some sort of parasite. They're on Kanamycin now and doing better. Potassium Permanganate (I've got a lifetime supply) has been suggested, but it always kills the biofilter. > There are 3 GF, one 8", one 6" and one 3+". I used to have two small > ones, but he died of dropsy a few weeks ago. I have no gravel and they get > bathed every week (50% water change). Giving them the plant has caused a > Columnaris outbreak, likely due to some sort of parasite. They're on > Kanamycin now and doing better. Potassium Permanganate (I've got a > lifetime supply) has been suggested, but it always kills the biofilter. Question, how big is the tank? I'm sure you have lots of filteration going on but if your tank is at pretty close to max capacity, probems like this erupt over and over. I'm not suggesting you kill any of the fish if overloaded, just checking options here. I've heard the suggestion of 10g per inch of goldfish for perfect health and based on anticipated growth, that would mean a 200g tank (rediculous, I agree). I hope though you have something like a 70g going there? > I've heard the suggestion of 10g per inch of goldfish for perfect health and > based on anticipated growth, that would mean a 200g tank (rediculous, I > agree). I hope though you have something like a 70g going there? I think it's possible you heard the common goldie *rule* of 10g *per* goldie, not per inch of goldie. However, that rule isn't actually right as differrent types of Goldies grow to differrent sizes. A 16" comet or common is going to need a larger tank than an 8" fancy, so the 10g per goldie rule isn't right anyway. I too asked what size tank this was we are talking about, but it was skipped over. = / > On Nov 8, 11:22?am, "Cshenk" <rubymai...@cox.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I think it's possible you heard the common goldie *rule* of 10g *per* > goldie, not per inch of goldie. Possibly. 10g though for larger one sounds pretty wrong too. I've gone with pretty much 5g per inch of goldies. That has worked for me. I've had enough 'overage' with that to have a few other things compatible with them in there. > However, that rule isn't actually right as differrent types of Goldies > grow to differrent sizes. A 16" comet or common is going to need a > larger tank than an 8" fancy, so the 10g per goldie rule isn't right > anyway. Yup. > I too asked what size tank this was we are talking about, but it was > skipped over. = / Probably accidental there. That or he has a really small tank and possibly suspects someplace that this is related. Fellow is doing 50% water changes so there might be cycling problems (possibly caused by the various medications as he infers someplace). While goldies are extremely hardy to many things, being ovecrowded isnt really one of them. The dropsy sounds like a symptom of an overloaded tank to me but cant tell for sure. Bill, if your tank is 40g or smaller, I think thats the real root cause of the problem. I know tans are expensive but if you could get a second 40G or so and put the bigger one by itself, it will be better. >> On Nov 8, 11:22?am, "Cshenk" <rubymai...@cox.net> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > the problem. I know tans are expensive but if you could get a second 40G > or so and put the bigger one by itself, it will be bette No tank is 75 gallons, but probably still too small. Cycle is fine, last time I lost the cycle was about two years ago when I tread with P.P.. I lost only ONE fish to dropsy recently. His similar sized cousin is the only one not currently sick. Kanamycin is helping and their medicated food came today. Fish got sick when I added the plant, so I assumed it was not a coincidence. The fish in the office tank (home office) are doing fine, but they are all tropicals. I've got a 90 gallon and LARGE (50 gallon) external filter waiting to happen, but I've been too busy to get it done. "Bill Stock" <wrote >> possibly suspects someplace that this is related. Fellow is doing 50% >> water changes so there might be cycling problems (possibly caused by the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No tank is 75 gallons, but probably still too small. Ok, you should be fine. (8+6+3)x5=17x5=85 and you are close to it. The 1 who died of dropsy *may* be related to overcrowding combined with disease. > Cycle is fine, last time I lost the cycle was about two years ago when I > tread with P.P.. I lost only ONE fish to dropsy recently. His similar > sized cousin is the only one not currently sick. Kanamycin is helping and > their medicated food came today. How big was the one who died? If it was 8' or 6', that would be overload I think? > Fish got sick when I added the plant, so I assumed it was not a > coincidence. The fish in the office tank (home office) are doing fine, but > they are all tropicals. Goldies are wierd. Hardy as hell at somet hings and very delicate with others. Yes, may have just been the plant. Or rather, someting in the tropical tank used to treat those fish that the goldies will not take well. > I've got a 90 gallon and LARGE (50 gallon) external filter waiting to > happen, but I've been too busy to get it done. Grin, put the 90G filter on your goldie tank. The are 'dirty fish'. Oh, add gravel as it helps keep the nasty stuff out of their gills as they swim about. It's simple to siphon te gravel clean with a mere hose unless you have itty bitty fish in the same tank. > "Bill Stock" <wrote > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > How big was the one who died? If it was 8' or 6', that would be overload > I think? I had five fish in this tank for a long time, two BIG ones (6+" then) a medium (5" then) and the two little ones (2+" then). About two years ago they got sick (mostly Biggie #2). We tried everything, PP, water changes, but lost the Cycle and things got worse. Biggie #2 went back to the pond as a last resort to save her. She lasted another 1 & 1/2 seasons in the pond, but we lost her last winter with a couple of others. That was our biggest loss. Once I get them into the big tank with the large filter I hope to get them beyond ten years. >> Ok, you should be fine. (8+6+3)x5=17x5=85 and you are close to it. The >> 1 who died of dropsy *may* be related to overcrowding combined with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > medium (5" then) and the two little ones (2+" then). About two years ago > they got sick (mostly Biggie #2). We tried everything, PP, water changes, ok, (6+6+5+2+2)x5=21x5= 'overload' for 75g tank. Take out one of the 6' fellows and you are back to load you have now, where problems started. Makes sense? As the fish got bigger, they overloaded the tank and problems started. > loss. Once I get them into the big tank with the large filter I hope to > get them beyond ten years. The larger filter will help alot. I'm making a reasonable guess that when your fish load with current filter conditons hits about 16inches total, tank starts to destabilize. A bigger filter will shift that to allow for more fish load but if you lose power and have no way to run the filter, you may well lose all the fish if you cant put them in the pond quick. Oh, the same general idea pertains to the pond which robably isnt running any type of airation (sp?) to assist so it's load potential possibly is even less than 10g per inch fish. I do not know much about pond fish but I do know if you overload it, they will die too. >>> Ok, you should be fine. (8+6+3)x5=17x5=85 and you are close to it. The >>> 1 who died of dropsy *may* be related to overcrowding combined with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ok, (6+6+5+2+2)x5=21x5= 'overload' for 75g tank. Take out one of the 6' > fellows and you are back to load you have now, where problems started. The five fish are past tense, now down to 3. No doubt the five were too many, just as the 3 are borderline now. > Makes sense? As the fish got bigger, they overloaded the tank and > problems started. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > less than 10g per inch fish. I do not know much about pond fish but I do > know if you overload it, they will die too. Pond is undergoing renovations so the fish are in their indoor bucket (300 g) + filter. But normally the pond has a waterfall and fountain during the warmer months and a bubbler during the winter. I'm not sure how many fish there are, maybe 12 at 2.5 + four fry. > >> I've got a horrendous outbreak of BGA in my Goldfish tank. It's gotten so > >> bad it plugs the filter screens every week and now the sink drain is [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh my... You really have a lot going on here with this tank. You forgot to mention the size of the tank in question. That's important. You just lost 2 due to Dropsy symptoms (dropsy is a symptom and not an actual disease if you didn't know). Columnaris is a bacterial infection and rather contagious. Why do you think adding the plant gave them Columnaris (flexibactor bacteria, aka Flex, body fungus..even though it's not a fungus)? Did the tank at the office that you took the plant out of have an outbreak of Columnaris in it? Are your fish showing symptoms of parasites? I'm confused by this whole statement, so please explain it: >>Giving them the plant has caused a Columnaris outbreak, likely due to some sort of parasite. >> Please get back with some answers so we can help your Goldies. |
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