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Pet Forum / Aquaria / Goldfish / January 2004HELP! My fish are bleeding!
Please help me! I had 4, 2+ year old comets. A few days ago the smallest one died mysteriously. I didn't see the fish after it died because my roommate scooped it out and flushed it so I wouldn't get upset. The others seemed fine. Today, one of my bigger ones is lying on it's side at the bottom of the tank with blood stains around it's gills and fins and a white spot on it's belly surrounded by a bloodstain. The scales seem to be missing in that spot. It's clearly dying and I don't know what to do. There seems to be some blood spots under the scales on other parts of the fish. It's currently isolated in a seperate bowl. I pulled the other 2 out and put them in a another tank. The tissues around the fins of one in particular seems very inflammed. What's going on? How can I save my poor fish? HELP! First thing you should do is to check your water parameters (ammonia, nitrite and nitrate). If you can't buy the kits yourself, take a sample of your water to your lfs who will test it for you. Don't take too much notice of their advice though as they very often don't know what they are talking about with regards fish health. Write the results down ad post them here and we'll try to help. For now I'd do daily partial water changes of 30% using temperature matched and dechlorinated water. This will improve the water quality and give the fish a fighting chance. Mel. > Please help me! > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > HELP! > First thing you should do is to check your water parameters (ammonia, > nitrite and nitrate). If you can't buy the kits yourself, take a sample of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > fish a fighting chance. > Mel. Thank you for you help! What are "lfs"? Cate Sorry, lfs is an abbreviation for local fish shop. Mel. > > First thing you should do is to check your water parameters (ammonia, > > nitrite and nitrate). If you can't buy the kits yourself, take a sample of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Cate > Please help me! .... Any other wildlife in the tank with them? Algae eaters or the like? > > Please help me! > > .... > Any other wildlife in the tank with them? Algae eaters or the like? Nope. Just the fish. Cate > Today, one of my bigger ones is lying on it's side at the bottom of > the tank with blood stains around it's gills and fins and a white spot > on it's belly surrounded by a bloodstain. The scales seem to be > missing in that spot. It's clearly dying and I don't know what to do. > There seems to be some blood spots under the scales on other parts of > the fish. It's currently isolated in a seperate bowl. 50% water change with temperature-matched treated water. Ingrid or Tom may suggest specific meds. I don't go there. But definately change that water. If you have a test kit, check ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and get back to us. What size tank? What filtration? How long running? Any other critters? Any new additions? Any cleaning/painting/staining going on in the room/house? etc... -Donald  Signature"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof." -Galbraith's Law > > Today, one of my bigger ones is lying on it's side at the bottom of > > the tank with blood stains around it's gills and fins and a white spot [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > But definately change that water. I took all of the fish out and put them into temp-matched water (treated with Genesis water treatment) that I had ready because I was planning on doing a water change. The 2 healthy ones went into one 2 gal tank, and the dying one went into a seperate one. > If you have a test kit, check ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and get > back to us. Ammonia 2.0 after a 70% water change with temp-matched water. I added Ammonia Lock to the tank. My ph kit maxes out at 7.6...and my water registered 7.6. I added some "Ph Down" to the water, but a later test still read the same. A few hours later I added more...and still got 7.6. I didn't want to mess with the water anymore...but I did add a tiny sprinkling of Biozyme (bacteria). The tank has been empty of fish since Sunday night's water change, but today I added the two healthy fish. They seem to be very happy and normal. I hope that they stay that way! > What size tank? 10 gal. > What filtration? Top Fin 10 gal filter...the kind that hangs on the side of the tank. > How long running? almost 3 years > Any other critters? no > Any new additions? no > Any cleaning/painting/staining going on in the room/house? Uh oh. YES. I just painted that room, and the room next door to it. I took the fish out while I was painting and put the tank in the bathroom. I moved them back into the freshly painted room the next day. The tank was against the freshly painted wall and close to the opening to the other room that I painted a few days later. Cate EMERGENCY 1. check the water parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates 2. do the fish physical http://puregold.aquaria.net/ 3. change some or all of the water, add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons water 4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action 5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method if the gills are looking good then run the heat up to 84oF. I know koi can bleed from the gills from panic when handling. but the spot, missing scales and blood indicate some kind of wound and/or bacterial infection. treat the fish topically if/when the fish seems stabilized. be sure to use good aeration as you increase the temp. Ingrid >Please help me! > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >HELP! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. > EMERGENCY > 1. check the water parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates PH 7.6+ (the max that my kit reads) and ammonia 2.0 after a 70% water change. > 2. do the fish physical http://puregold.aquaria.net/ Wow! Great info! Thanks. The sick fish looked like he was just about dead: he was laying on his side, not moving, yellow instead of orange, bloody looking gills and blood-red in the spots where the fins attach to the body (more so in pectoral fins). His body also looked kind of bloodshot. His tail and fins also looked eaten up. He began to move around soon after being put into some water that I had set aside for a water change, and within a few hours his color improved. I treated his water with Jungle brand Fungus Clear on Sunday. His gills and fin area look better (but still somewhat inflammed) and the fuzzy white spot on his belly is now un-fuzzy (but the scales still look white). His slime coat is still kinda thick (I think). > 3. change some or all of the water, add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons water Can I add that with the Fungus Clear? > 4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action > 5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > treat the fish topically if/when the fish seems stabilized. be sure to use good > aeration as you increase the temp. Ingrid Thanks Ingrid! Cate dont use fungus clear. the fish probably doesnt have fungus. usually they break out with parasites first, then get bacterial secondary infections. so with badly damaged fish fresh water and a little bit of salt is all that can be done. they will make it if they are strong. yes, his slime coat will shred and look like hell, but he might be cranking out new under the bad. Ingrid >I treated his water with Jungle brand Fungus Clear on Sunday. His >gills and fin area look better (but still somewhat inflammed) and the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Cate ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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