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Pet Forum / Aquaria / Goldfish / February 2004comet with popeye, please help!
came home from class tonight. looked in the aquarium and yea.......my comet looks like ET........its definitely popeye......he is starting to look like a hammerhead shark.......and now theres the whiteness around the eye like i have seen in photos......... ok, before i totally go in shock here.......whats this disease.....what causes it, whats the chances it can be cured, how should i cure it........keep in mind i dont have my ten gallon set up for emergencies like i used to, i know, bad me...... please respond asap!!!! this is a form of dropsy. http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disease/symptom/byname.htm#dropsy was there a big temp drop from water change or ?? Ingrid >came home from class tonight. looked in the aquarium and yea.......my comet >looks like ET........its definitely popeye......he is starting to look like [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >please respond asap!!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. Thanks for your response..... He doesnt have the bulging body, but both his eyes are extremely raised with a whitle circle around them..... there was one big change in the water, we have a water softener, and about a week ago, i did a water change, a pretty big one without knowing that the water softener had run out of salt.....so the water i used was very very hard........ i have done another water change since then and the water conditions are really good now......... > came home from class tonight. looked in the aquarium and yea.......my comet > looks like ET........its definitely popeye......he is starting to look like [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > please respond asap!!!! Morpheus, Before you get crazy and adding all sorts of stuff to your fish water, why not try using some Melafix first. It is possible that the fish injured its eye during a dance around the tank while you were away. Using the Melafix will see if any thing else shows up and if it does you can act accordingly. Unless your tank water was extremely soft adding hard water should not bothered you fish enough to cause this reaction. Go with the Melafix first and observe. If it is dropsy you will know soon enough. No use hitting your fish with sludge hammer meds when a gingerly use of a tack hammer will suffice. Tom L.L. -------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for your response..... > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > please respond asap!!!! can melafix be added to the community tank........i have a apple snail, octos, and a dojo loach in it........can they deal with melafix or is it too much for them > Morpheus, > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > > > > > please respond asap!!!! Morpheus, I am not sure about the snail, but according to the literature you can use it on Discus fry, one of the most delicate fish at that age ever having to deal with, and it can also be used with scaleless fish. According to literature it can be used with snails, but the only snails that I have are pond snails and it has never killed them. I now use Melafix on ever fish that I bring home for a full regiment of treatment as per instructions with a full 14 day feeding of Medigold. So far, I have never had a fish come down with any thing after leaving the quarantine tank. HTH Tom L.L. --------------------------------------- > can melafix be added to the community tank........i have a apple snail, > octos, and a dojo loach in it........can they deal with melafix or is it too [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > > > > > > > please respond asap!!!! > Morpheus, > > I am not sure about the snail, but according to the literature you can use This links claims it's OK for snails: http://www.fishjunkies.com/Medications/melafix.php dont use tea tree oil derivatives with your GF http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care3.htm#TEA%20TREE%20OIL,%20Melaleuca dropsy treatment is epsom salts and heat, nothing toxic to any of your other fish. Ingrid >can melafix be added to the community tank........i have a apple snail, >octos, and a dojo loach in it........can they deal with melafix or is it too >much for them ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. Well, as usual she still is has that misleading crap on her website. If you waste your time reading her diatribe on Tea Tree Oil you will see that there is some truth to what she is saying, but if you will not use some material because it can hurt something else you better stop using salt because a teaspoon of salt will kill an infant. Any med given in excess can kill. That is the idea of the med, it kills the bad organism before it kills you or to what every you are administering. Hell, she recommends Potassium Permanganate all the time and if you want to talk about a poison this stuff is dangerous, which is why it has to be shipped via special carrier. In addition, you will see that none of her examples have to do with fish, mostly mammals and birds. Of course, if you were silly enough to use it on your bird as the individual did, you shouldn't have a bird in the first place. Most anything in excess will have a detrimental affect on some living organisms. Tea Tree oil is a good and affective remedy. I have used it for years, even before Melafix came out. I am a soaper and use it in my soaps and lotions (as approved by quantities suggested by the FDA), and have mixed it for my fish for years before Melafix hit the market. Now I just buy it instead of having to measure it for medicinal use. HTH Tom L.L. ------------------------------------------- > dont use tea tree oil derivatives with your GF http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care3.htm#TEA%20TREE%20OIL,%20Melaleuca > dropsy treatment is epsom salts and heat, nothing toxic to any of your other fish. > Ingrid [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the > endorsements or recommendations I make. >dont use tea tree oil derivatives with your GF When Melafix came out your opinions were based on dog and bird anecdotes. Have you ever tried it? >>dont use tea tree oil derivatives with your GF > > When Melafix came out your opinions were based on dog and bird anecdotes. Have > you ever tried it? I have used tee tree oil myself for years! I like http://naturesgift.com I used it with myrrth before and after surjury and the healing was so fast the doctor was surprised. When I heard about melafix I was excited, and when I used it I was satisified. Other oils I have used on people is french lavender<tension headaches>, Myrrth<teeth and I used also after surjury>, Sweet Majorum<excellent pain reliever worked on my carpaltunnel,musle,nerve,joint and bone pain>, peppermint<migraines>, tangerine<just cause I like it>, Kay Kay, If you still have carpel tunnel (CT) problems drop me a line privately and I will tell you how to do an exercise that has taken my CT problems away, and also worked for my wife. My carpel tunnel was getting so bad that I was also getting tennis elbow. My wife was thinking about surgery when I found this method. Found out later that two people that she worked with had the surgery and it really didn't take care of the problem. May be it will work for you. Tom L.L. ------------------------------------------------ > >>dont use tea tree oil derivatives with your GF > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Kay yes, and the fast healing of the epithelia of a fish is the reason it isnt a good idea. a look on the literature shows that wounds heal best from the inside out so that bacteria dont get trapped inside and fester. this is why puncture wounds are so dangerous. it is even more serious in that fish have the epidermis that holds the scales and then over this is an epithelial layer that secretes slime and antimicrobial products. If this heals over while the wound is still festering it traps the bacteria underneath. this is the reason wounds are palpated to see if they are hard (indicating proper healing) or if they are soft, indicating an ongoing infection under the skin. Those wounds have to be opened up to let them drain. salt is a good "medication" to help heal surface wounds and scrapes. fish epithelial is a lot more like the inside of our mouths (wet epithelial) than the skin on our hands. The inside of our mouth heals fast too and the recommended treatment for minor wounds in the mouth like canker sores ...... salt water rinse. It isnt just the surface of the fish that is being exposed to things dumped in the water ... it is the lungs of the fish as well, and the gills are even more tender and easily burned by chemicals. so why put chemicals into the water that arent going to work better than frequent water changes and a little salt? Ingrid >I used it with myrrth before and after surjury and the healing was so >fast the doctor was surprised. When I heard about melafix I was excited, >and when I used it I was satisified. >Kay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. Yes Ingrid, What you say is all well and good, but you are making suppositions here with this message relating it to fish. All you references deal with dogs, cats and birds, nothing relating with fish. You have never used a product with tea tree oil and have no experience with the product Melafix or its use and effectiveness. Those of us who have used it find it to be a very valid and effective medication for fish, I say again, for FISH, not birds, cats or dogs. One of these days people will realize that the "Dr" part of your addys deals with a teaching degree and has nothing to do with fish or research related to fish or the Veterinary knowledge gained by that degree with the aspect of fish husbandry. Neosporin boosts fast healing and you recommend it or its substitutes all the time, I guess by what you are saying in this message that this product is bad also. Or is it only bad when you don't recommend it. You know you can't have it both ways. You are such a gem, Ingrid, you say one thing one time and then in couple of days you actually negate things that you have said previously. How long have you been keeping Goldfish, now, it should be about eight years now. Have a nice day. ----------------------------------------- > yes, and the fast healing of the epithelia of a fish is the reason it isnt a good > idea. a look on the literature shows that wounds heal best from the inside out so [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the > endorsements or recommendations I make. I for one don't care to see these personal hostile attacks on Ingrid just because you don't agree with her. You seem to have "an axe to grind" and trying to discredit her - just doesn't fly! IMO - her expertise is without question. Re - Melafix - the best we can say from web reviews is: "Opinions seem to be divided on its performance. Some reckon it’s the bee’s knees, others don’t rate it as highly as some of the more mainstream medications on the market, and some suggest that it does seem to have a negative impact on filtration, too. " >Yes Ingrid, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Have a nice day. Martin, It is neither personal or hostile. Just because I point out the obvious incongruities that appear, has nothing to do with axe grinding. Just because Ingrid says it, doesn't make it true or correct in all instances and this is one of them. -------------------------------- > I for one don't care to see these personal hostile attacks on Ingrid just > because you don't agree with her. You seem to have "an axe to grind" and trying > to discredit her - just doesn't fly! IMO - her expertise is without question. > Re - Melafix - the best we can say from web reviews is: > "Opinions seem to be divided on its performance. Some reckon it's the bee' s > knees, others don't rate it as highly as some of the more mainstream > medications on the market, and some suggest that it does seem to have a > negative impact on filtration, too. " as I said, popeye is a form of dropsy. yeah, sudden increase in alkalinity or temp drop will give em dropsy. treat according to dropsy. Ingrid >Thanks for your response..... > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> please respond asap!!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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