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>> Questions:
>> 1) Am I stopping the cycle by bringing the ammonia down or should I
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>Here is a good place to start...
>http://fins.actwin.com/mirror/begin.html
I read this one this morning. Helpful information. I think I know
how to do it right, now. The problem is figuring out how to get from
where I am (starting out wrong) to where I need to be.
>Now... Here's a mystery... algae doesn't normally appear in a non-cycled
>tank... Can you get the local fish store (LFS) to measure your nitrAtes
>(as opposed to nitrItes) and get back to us? If you're measuring
>non-zero nitrates, then the tank IS cycled and you've got some problem
>that is generating too much ammonia at the front end...
Interesting. That would be great. I'm off to the pet store!
>Ahhh... What sort of ammonia test kit are you using and what sort of
>dechlorinator chemical are you using? Some dechlorinators will give a
>false positive reading on some ammonia test kits...
I initially used Start Right Tank Buddies to to the dechlorination,
and I have used Ammonia Clear Tank Buddies to kill the ammonia. On
subsequent water changes I've gone to Aqua Plus Tap Water Conditioner.
I didn't mention before that I have also added Stress Coat. The test
kit looks like your average run of the mill generic test kit from
Aquarium Pharmaceuticals. There are two solutions that I use for the
ammonia kit. Eight drops of each in a tube of water.
>As for chemicals... I'm a firm believer in nothing but dechlorinator and
>occasionally some aquarium salt.
I have heard recommendations both for and against adding salt. I have
not added salt to the tank. Should I?
>Pet rocks? Sigh... That's a different newsgroup. I had some once, but
>they died.
Our first adventure with pets was the tad poles that our youngest
brought home from preschool. From about 8 tad poles we actually saw
2 living, breathing frogs. That was cool. Unfortuantly, they died
after a couple of months, and we promised the same fate for the
preschool teacher if she brought more tadpoles to school! If these
fish don't survive granddad had better watch his back!
Thanks for the quick advice.
Dan
Dan Ozment - 07 Mar 2004 03:57 GMT
>>Now... Here's a mystery... algae doesn't normally appear in a non-cycled
>>tank... Can you get the local fish store (LFS) to measure your nitrAtes
>>(as opposed to nitrItes) and get back to us? If you're measuring
>>non-zero nitrates, then the tank IS cycled and you've got some problem
>>that is generating too much ammonia at the front end...
LFS test my water. Nitrates and nitrites zero. pH 7.8. Ammonia
6.something. The guy at PetSmart recommended that I "drain all of
the water out of the tank. Just let the fish flop around on the
bottom for a few minutes. Then, refill the tank with clean water."
That doesn't sound too "smart" to me. I think I'm going to opt for
some of the advice I've heard here today. I did a 25% water change
this afternoon. I plan to do another 25% change tomorrow and ever day
for a few days until the ammonia is down.
The guy at PetSmart said the pH is too high, and that it could be
killing the bacteria that should be controlling the ammonia. Does
that make sense>?. What should it the pH be for GF? Will the water
changes bring it down, or should I use chemicals?
The amazing thing is the fish seem to be doing fine in this water with
high ammonia. They seem to follow me around when I'm in the room.
They go to the end of the tank closest to me and stay at the glass.
Kind of reminds me of puppies wagging their tails.
Thanks, all, for the quick responses.
Dan
Donald K - 07 Mar 2004 06:13 GMT
> LFS test my water. Nitrates and nitrites zero. pH 7.8. Ammonia
> 6.something. The guy at PetSmart recommended that I "drain all of
> the water out of the tank. Just let the fish flop around on the
> bottom for a few minutes. Then, refill the tank with clean water."
> That doesn't sound too "smart" to me.
Let me know the location / name of the LFS employee. I'll put him in a
tank of CO2 and let him "flop around on the bottom for a few minutes."
What a schmuck.
> The guy at PetSmart said the pH is too high, and that it could be
> killing the bacteria that should be controlling the ammonia. Does
> that make sense>?.
No it doesn't, a pH of 7.8 is in a perfectly reasonable range.
Read here, about 2/3rds of the way down for pH info:
http://www.bioconlabs.com/nitribactfacts.html
> What should it the pH be for GF? Will the water
> changes bring it down, or should I use chemicals?
Don't worry about it. The fish will cope with 7.8. Just keep it stable
and don't jerk it around with additional chemicals.
> The amazing thing is the fish seem to be doing fine in this water with
> high ammonia. They seem to follow me around when I'm in the room.
> They go to the end of the tank closest to me and stay at the glass.
> Kind of reminds me of puppies wagging their tails.
Yup, just like a bunch of friendly puppies.
Find a new LFS.
-D

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