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Fancy goldfish for beginner?

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Adam Gottschalk - 16 Apr 2004 04:15 GMT
I've had a 15H tank running with an UGF for about 3 weeks now. 2 weeks
ago I complained that the water was still a touch cloudy and my local
aquarium store guy told me to put some "feeder" goldfish in there to set
it up and then swap those out for a couple of fancy ones after a week or
two. Things are fine, water's clear, and the fish are happy. I've done
one partial change since they went in, and will do another tomorrow.

I know that the googley-eyed goldies are supposed to be troublesome as
their eyes can get hurt; I don't much like those anyway. When I asked
the fellow at the store about the beautiful Oranda they had, he said my
tank was too small. Recommendations for a pair of goldfish for a
15-gallon High tank, open top, underneath a skylight?
dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com - 17 Apr 2004 13:39 GMT
a couple feeder GF.  the UGF should be pulled and a good sized whisper put on it.  
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care1.htm#essentials

>I've had a 15H tank running with an UGF for about 3 weeks now. 2 weeks
>ago I complained that the water was still a touch cloudy and my local
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>tank was too small. Recommendations for a pair of goldfish for a
>15-gallon High tank, open top, underneath a skylight?

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Elizabeth Naime - 19 Apr 2004 20:24 GMT
Quoth dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com on Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:39:16 GMT,

>a couple feeder GF.  the UGF should be pulled and a good sized whisper put on it.  

!?! Surely this was a typo? Feeders are usually comets (maybe commons in
some places) and will get far too large for a 15H, don't you think?

>>I've had a 15H tank running with an UGF for about 3 weeks now. 2 weeks

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Only know that there is no spork.
dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com - 19 Apr 2004 22:00 GMT
but they are hardier!!!  

>Quoth dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com on Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:39:16 GMT,
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>Only know that there is no spork.

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GamePlayer No. 1058 - 19 Apr 2004 23:57 GMT
In the long run you're going to need a larger tank for 2 goldfish.  But
certainly you can put two orandas in a 15 gallon tank for a while till they
get too big or you get tired of doing water changes to keep the water
quality acceptible to the fish.

I have two orandas in a 12 gallon eclipse and do weekly 30% water changes
and they are fine, they are SMALL, but they are fine, when mine get too
large for this tank, then I'll have another tank setup that can house them.

Seems the general concensus is that you need 10 gallons of water per
goldfish, and of course it also depends on the shape of the tank.  I had my
two in a JBJ nanocube for a while, but felt sorry for them since it really
didnt offer any real swimming room, so I moved them to a eclipse 12 gallon
tank that I had laying around and now at their current small size, they have
lots of swimming room.  Eventually though they will need a minimum of 20
gallons, and preferably a 40 gallon tank to keep the amonia, nitrites,
nitrates etc down.

Just get one, he should be okay in that size tank (for a while anyway).

> I've had a 15H tank running with an UGF for about 3 weeks now. 2 weeks
> ago I complained that the water was still a touch cloudy and my local
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> tank was too small. Recommendations for a pair of goldfish for a
> 15-gallon High tank, open top, underneath a skylight?
Adam Gottschalk - 20 Apr 2004 00:27 GMT
> In the long run you're going to need a larger tank for 2 goldfish.  But
> certainly you can put two orandas in a 15 gallon tank for a while till they
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> Just get one, he should be okay in that size tank (for a while anyway).

Cheers. I think I will get just one. I'm okay with weekly water changes.
I was worried a lone goldfish might be lonely, but I gather that's not
the case. I'm in the process of setting up a 40g tank (40H) that will be
a planted community tank. I like the idea of having a simple,
"old-fashioned" tank for the goldfish, no frills, no heater, no light
(it's right under a northern skylight). I read the online bit about
research in China showing goldfish could do better with heaters, but the
water at room temperature for me will very very rarely if ever go below
70 degrees, and not much if below if any.
Geezer From The Freezer - 20 Apr 2004 09:29 GMT
Adam,

Fish do get lonely. They do better with a friend
GamePlayer No. 1058 - 20 Apr 2004 15:42 GMT
> Adam,
>
> Fish do get lonely. They do better with a friend

I dont honestly know if thats the case or not, I do know there are some fish
like Oscars who seem to want to interact more with their owners if they are
the lone fish in the tank, which is rather nice.  I've seen many goldfish
that stay kind of seperated.  Like at my local chinese resteraunt, they have
a nice tank and the huge goldfish pretty much dont swim together as if they
are interacting.  I've found that when my 2 were in the JBJ nanocube they
pretty much stayed as a pair (of course there really wasnt much room for
them to be apart), now that there in the other tank, I often find them
seperately and only seem to come together if I walk up to the tank (I assume
they come together at that point because they think they are going to be
fed).
Geezer From The Freezer - 21 Apr 2004 09:44 GMT
> > Adam,
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> they come together at that point because they think they are going to be
> fed).

I have 11 fancy goldfish, and believe me, when you seperate them, they look lost
and depressed. When they initially live on their own, they look depressed, once
you add them with others they perk up - I relate this behaviour to loneliness.
 
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