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Pet Forum / Aquaria / Goldfish / May 2004Can fish have brain damage???
It's been a bad week for our beloved goldfish, Goldie... Goldie is our oldest of our 3 left (we started with 6 almost 2 years ago). All was fine with it until last Thursday, when it started to swim in spirals. A day later, it was just laying on the bottom and kind of flopping around... It didn't look good... Then it had an unfortunate event which had it out of the tank for almost an hour. We thought it was dead, but when we went to wrap it up for burial, it moved again! OMG! So, I got it in a "sick bucket" right away with the air stone and it started breathing again. It's nearly darkened gills went cherry red again, and it started moving more, but still floppy. We had to leave town for almost two days, but put some food in the bucket. When we came back, it was swimming normally, so I put it back in the tank. BUT, it doesn't seem right.... It's eyes don't seem to look at you like the other two fish. It seems kinda dopey when it moves... When I put food in before, Goldie was always knocking the others out of the way to eat. Now it just kinda swims a bit or just bumps against the side and then settles down. Not interested in food... Can fish suffer from brain damage? Did the time out of the water do serious eye damage and now it's blind? WHY was it swimming in spirals in the first place? This is too odd.... The tank levels are pretty good... nitrates/'trites at 0, little ammonia, ph at 6.8.... Last year we had bad levels, but due to Queen Ingrid's advise, I now have pothos and philodendrons suction cupped near the top of the water and they do fine at cleaning the water, and the fish don't go food binging on them.... I wish there was something we could do for our fishy. Any happy advise for us, or are Goldie's day numbered? Fish can suffer from brain damage yes. It's most likely something else though. What size tank do you have and how many fish, how often do you replace the water. Do you have a bubbler and a filter. How often do you do filter maintenance, and how? Nitrates at 0? Surely a crash has occured. PH 6.8 - okayish, but I'd try and slowly raise it to 7-8. What is the temp. HI! The tank is a 50-55 gal, there are 3 six inch goldfish in there. I did a 40% change last Monday (a coincidental 3 days before the trubs began). I got the muck siphoned out, and scubbed the sides, bottom and toys of their light layer of green and brown algae(?) I usually do 30-40% change every two-ish weeks. (it's a hassle toting buckets of water around). Have a penguin filter with two charcoal filters. Alternate rinsing filters of muck weekly (one filter a week to avoid losing too many "good bios"). Have a 10" bubble stick and an air stone in the tank. Have pothos ivy and philodendrons suction cupped near the top. They have been there a few months. (The fish like to swim in and around up there looking for the hidden food) The bottom doesn't have gravel anymore. It was removed last year. (I've read enough of Ingrid to know better!) Bottom has some marbles and creek rocks for decoration. I gently move the rocks and siphon vacuum the muck out from behind them without stirring it up in the tank. The fishies like to move the marbles around for fun, and while they are rooting around for lost food. For other fun, they also have a couple of 2"-3" PVC tubes they like to swim through... When I had the levels tested on Friday last, Nitrates/'trites were both at 0, ph at 6.8, ammonia was low , or as the guy at the LFS said "a bit high for freshwater, but for goldfish it was fine". Such scientific accuracy... I think I got a "1" for levels out of him though... The temp is at 72. They seems to like it. In the summer when it gets much warmer in there, they aren't too happy... This morning while the other fish go crazy for food, Goldie is just kinda hanging around... It reminds me of dopey Dory from Nemo... "just keep swimming". Still seems kinda clueless to what's going on... The other fish just kinda bump it around while they are swimming... They have no courtesy at all... Blackfin likes to go under Goldie and bump it from underneath. Is it trying to be helpful, or just rude? Treasure has some black streaks on some of its fins, so I may do a mini water change today. There's some muck behind the rocks again that needs removal... I just feel awful about Goldie being out of water for almost an hour.... Wish there was something I could do for it to be well again... Black streaks on fins could be ammonia burns that are healing. Get ammonia to 0 (also get your own test-kits if you can). Goldie being nudged? hmm sounds like your goldie could be egg bound possibly. Can you get hold of any medicated food - its possible that might help. Try salting the tank (aquarium salt only). 1 table spoon per 3-5 gallons or so, dissolve then add. See if goldie perks up after a few hours. Anyone else got any suggestions? I think it may just be Blackfin... It likes nudging Treasure too... Goldie is still not eating - not even her fave shrimpies... Just kinda saunters around in little circles... Can it be so brain damaged it doesn't know to eat anymore? I'll do another partial change on the tank. It's cheaper to have the LFS do the testing. The kits are a bit pricy and they are only a mile away.... If Goldie doesn't perk up in another dayish, I'll put it back in the bucket and try to get it to eat... Thanks so far for your help! > I think it may just be Blackfin... It likes nudging Treasure too... Goldie is > still not eating - not even her fave shrimpies... Just kinda saunters around [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Goldie doesn't perk up in another dayish, I'll put it back in the bucket and > try to get it to eat... Thanks so far for your help! What colour is fishies pooh? Also do you have gravel? When fish are ill they sometimes don't eat. If swallowed a piece of gravel, won't eat also. Took the gravel out last year. The other fishies' excrement is normal and short. Goldie doesn't have any (that I've seen) as since nothing is going in, nothing comes out.... Did a 30% change again yesterday... Will check the levels later today.... > Took the gravel out last year. The other fishies' excrement is normal and > short. Goldie doesn't have any (that I've seen) as since nothing is going in, > nothing comes out.... Did a 30% change again yesterday... Will check the > levels later today.... does the ill fish open its mouth at all?? Yes, it does open its mouth. The gills are pumping too... Just seems to swim around in a daze though... The others target for the food when fed, but Goldie "just keeps on swimming" like Dorie from Nemo... (that song is sticking in my mind) Doesn't notice the food at all... try hand feeding > Yes, it does open its mouth. The gills are pumping too... Just seems to swim > around in a daze though... The others target for the food when fed, but Goldie > "just keeps on swimming" like Dorie from Nemo... (that song is sticking in my > mind) Doesn't notice the food at all... I've noticed that while Goldie's mouth moves, only one of its gills seems to open fully. Maybe the lack of air gave it a stroke? I'll take it out of the tank and hand feed it from the "sick bucket" tomorrow. It's much easier to do from the bucket than chase it around a 50 gal tank, and I'll know if anything goes in or out of it.... > I've noticed that while Goldie's mouth moves, only one of its gills seems to > open fully. Maybe the lack of air gave it a stroke? I'll take it out of the > tank and hand feed it from the "sick bucket" tomorrow. It's much easier to do > from the bucket than chase it around a 50 gal tank, and I'll know if anything > goes in or out of it.... Loss of motor function to one side of the body (hemiperisis) following a stroke presents most severely in the extremities (e.g. foot & hand are weaker than thigh & shoulder in the case of humans). Motor function closest to body core is typically less affected. In a GF I'd expect fins to be more severely affected than gills.. Is Goldie's fin movement reduced on affected side? ~ Matt No, other than it's left gill being almost non moving, it seems ok. Fins move fine. It's in the bucket again with an airstone and tunnel piece. I tried to get it to eat, but it just spits it out again. Doesn't seem to notice it's fave shrimpies. I tried to see what was causing the gill cover to "stick", but can't figure it out. I tried to gently move it, and it seems kinda ok, but then just closes up again. It was too easy to grab it out of the tank. It's too passive, and doesn't give much of a struggle... Something is seriously wrong, I just can't pinpoint it.... It's been in the sick bucket for almost a day now. I had to change it to a fresher atmosphere as the bucket from last night was pretty rank by this morning! WHEW! Still not eating but now it's isolated, can now notice excrement. Long thin and white. Just proves it's not eating... Ignored the shrimpies treat from last night. Tried to get it to eat peas or shrimp, but just clamps up... Stubborn fish... Just swims past food... Left gill still almost clamped shut (minimal movement)... Don't know why... That's why I was thinking a stroke? Still too docile and easy to catch, doesn't put up much of a struggle at all - not like before all of this... Wish I knew how to make it better.... Makes me crazy... fresh water, add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons, no additives, dissolve first, add slowly. change the water more often if there is detectable ammonia in the bucket. long thin white poops are bacterial maybe eggs mixed in. Ingrid >It's been in the sick bucket for almost a day now. I had to change it to a >fresher atmosphere as the bucket from last night was pretty rank by this [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >a struggle at all - not like before all of this... Wish I knew how to make it >better.... Makes me crazy... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. Why is the gill almost clamped shut? Can I use rock salt (like for ice cream)? I don't think it has any iodine in it... no idea. yes, rock salt is best. >Why is the gill almost clamped shut? Can I use rock salt (like for ice cream)? > I don't think it has any iodine in it... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. Goldie is still in the bucket and still not eating... Excrement is long, long, long (about 3-6") and still white, as expected when you aren't eating... "You can put a fish in water, but you can't make it eat...." Got a box of "Dr. Wellfish's Salt". A fancy name for evaporated sea salt... Goldie feels pretty slimey. Left gill is still clamped. The other one only works, sad to say, due to an accident that happed over a year ago. Before I learned from Ingrid NOT to use a net to move fish, I did and it kinda, ahem, did some right gill damage and tore the outer rim of the cover off... I have since learned, and only use my hands, or a big cup to scoop them up. Why does learning have to come with so much guilt for mistakes? Anyway, should I try epsom salt in the bucket? forget the sea salts... not a good idea. long and white suggest bacterial infection. keep kanamycin or such in the water. fresh water and a bit of regular salt is all that can be done right now, altho temp fish with chopped human grade shrimp. Ingrid >Goldie is still in the bucket and still not eating... Excrement is long, long, >long (about 3-6") and still white, as expected when you aren't eating... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Anyway, should I try epsom salt in the bucket? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. Okie dokes. WIll see if our LFS has the kanamycin. I do have Maracyn and Maracyn-II, but they didn't seem to work for last year's problems. How about now? Or, aren't they your faves? Ususally Goldie scarfs down the baby brine shrimp, but I'll see if I can get some "people shrimp"... Also, maybe if I get the rock salt, it'll be a hint for hubby to make some ice cream... ; ) Should I put Goldie back with the other two? If it were me, I know I'd be sick of swimming in circles in a bucket for days... Also, Treasure, who's in the tank, has some white bumps on it's tail and fins... Guess it's time for another water change there... WHY is it this always happens when the temps start getting warmer? " Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make." - yes, this may be true, but there will be a lot of happy people and fishies waiting in the hereafter to cheer you in! And, we're all forever grateful for you in the here-now!.... The LFS says the kanamycin (or K-mycin) needs to be mixed with food... If Goldie isn't eating, then how will this help? Or, should I just toss it in the water anyway? it is a water treatment and I been told one of the few that is absorbed across the skin. Ingrid >The LFS says the kanamycin (or K-mycin) needs to be mixed with food... If >Goldie isn't eating, then how will this help? Or, should I just toss it in the >water anyway? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. The joys of goldfish... I put Goldie back with the others a couple of days ago, after doing a 25% water change in the tank. They all swam around together and it seemed like old times until feeding time. The other two ate, and Goldie didn't. Still having long white excrement. Then the next day, Goldie was a loner again, and yesterday, it was just kinda a floating kinda dazed in the middle of the tank. Didn't look good... Got the old sick bucket again and plopped Goldie back in it. It swam oddly for a few hours, kinda flopping around and not really being able to control its balance. Put in a Maracyn-II tablet (for internal bacteria infections), which I have on hand, a teasppon of aquarium salt and a 1/4 tsp of epsom salt. A few hours later, it was improving, and able to control balance, but not eating... Such a stubborn fish... I wonder what is going on in the tank that's causing the troubles... I'll have levels tested today... Could the plants be causing the trubs? I have the pothos and philodendrons in there, but they've been there for several months and haven't been a problem before... fishy photos: http://members.aol.com/magicmenagerie/g3fish.jpg http://members.aol.com/magicmenagerie/g6fish.jpg http://members.aol.com/magicmenagerie/gtfish.jpg http://members.aol.com/magicmenagerie/gtfish2.jpg call Jo Ann. 1-251-649-4790 >Could the plants be causing the trubs? I have the pothos and philodendrons in >there, but they've been there for several months and haven't been a problem [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >http://members.aol.com/magicmenagerie/gtfish.jpg >http://members.aol.com/magicmenagerie/gtfish2.jpg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. Something fishy is going on.... The other day, before Goldie went back to the sick bucket, The LFS guy said the levels were fine... Today, I had levels tested (same LFS, different guy), and he used litmus strips and said the levels are: (2-3 fish/50-55 gal tank) ammonia 6.0 (OUCH!) (it was 1.0) nitrate 80 (was 0) Nitrite 0 ph, less than 6.2 (was 6.8) alk. 0 hardness 75 Needless to say, now EVERYONE is out of the tank while I clean it and stabilize. I took out about half the water, cleaned the bigger rocks, rinsed the ickies out of the filter and walls/floor, added CYCLE and some fishy plant food for the pothos and philodendron. It's probably due for a new carbon filter ayway...Will have levels tested again tomorrow... Now for more questions: 1)We have a sensometer on the side that is supposed to detect ammonia levels. I know it works, but WHY did it not alert when the levels are this high? 2)We also have a tropical tank (10 gal, 2 tiger barbs) in the same room, and it's water hardness was at **200**!? The water all comes out of the same faucet, so did the age of the water and such change the hardness? I'll call when I have enough pin money. I'm afraid she'll chew me out over some unintentional abouse/neglect on my part... you are adding fertilizers to this tank????? I am afraid she is the only one can untangle this. suck it up. Ingrid some fishy plant >food for the pothos and philodendron. >I'll call when I have enough pin money. I'm afraid she'll chew me out over >some unintentional abouse/neglect on my part... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. Every now and then I add some plant fertilizer. It's a 0.15-0-0 for aquatic plants. It has a tiny bit of chilateted (sp?) iron in it. The LFS says the plants suck it out of the water and need more... I called Jo Ann. She sounds like a pretty fun person in her own way... : ) She said Goldie is seemingly more sensitive to the toxic levels in the tank - than the ammonia sensor inside the tank. She said when fish swim in the "death spiral", it's due to high toxicity. This would also explain why it was doing better once I got it out of the tank. She said it can take a couple of weeks to clear it out of Goldie's system, which is probably why it's still pretty docile to hold... So I have a busy task ahead of me, emptying the tank, getting extra charcoal, and basically cleaning a messy goldfish house... It looked nice... It just went bad very fast....Will keep you posted... Jo Ann said I needed a second filter. She said goldfish need 3 gallons per inch. I have 3-6" fish so this is about the most our 50-55 gallon tank can handle. Can't afford another filter, but have emptied the tank about 1/3 to 1/2 and the ammonia levels are slowly coming down. Also got some ammo-carb chips to reduce the ammonia. Took out the live plants as the ammonia was killing them off. Goldie still gets changed from buckets daily. Seems to help. Its eyes aren't bugging out anymore and are starting to recess nicely. It's also starting to eat again and actually comes to get the food. Jo Ann said to only feed them at night and not several times a day. She said overfeeding leads to over ammonia. (but they looked hungry!) So, I am hoping to get the tank livable again soon as we are going on vacation for a week and there won't be anyone to change Goldie from bucket to bucket every day... It's looking better today. Tank sting is down from the 6.0 of two days ago (HOW did it get that high so fast?) to 2.0 yesterday, to 1.0 today. I'm guessing the daily changes are helping as are the ammo-carbon chips... I have the filter stuffed with them... Looks like there may be hope to keep all three fishies.. : ) GF always act and look like they are starving. If you cant get the tank "online" then consider getting a 40 gallon rubbermaid tub and put the fish in there. but remember, while on vacation you dont feed the fish and the water will be healthier for it. Ingrid >Jo Ann said I needed a second filter. She said goldfish need 3 gallons per >inch. I have 3-6" fish so this is about the most our 50-55 gallon tank can [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Looks like there may be hope to keep all three fishies.. : ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. Can the fish live for over a week-ish with no food??? We would be gone from June 2-12th. I was thinking of one of those battery operated fish feeders. They kinda look like a pencil sharpener. I can't use the compressed tablets, as the ones that say "good for up to 14 days" only last about 3... The ammonia levels are coming down nicely. But the LFS said the salt level was through the roof. This may be due to the Epsom salts I put in per Jo Ann. It DID help the fish though and Treasure doesn't have any healing marks anymore. I'm guessing it's time to get it out though... While my hubby is away today, (when the cat's away, the fish can play) I am going to purge the tank. It will probably take less time to cycle new water than it would the try and correct bad water... Even though the little "porkinhogs" scarf down food, they obviously don't don't need all of us to feed them... ; ) The plants. I took the plants out. Do you think that once the ammonia started to go up, it was killing the plants and they too started to add ammonia, causing a death spiral in the tank? It seems once I got the plants out the levels came down faster. It could have also been the constant water changes too... This delicate balance is a harder science than it seems... no problem at all for a couple weeks. forget the battery operated feeders, or worse, the tablets. they foul the water and people come back to dead fish. a hungry GF is a healthy GF. seriously, the fish will do fine with no food. water will be in better shape. I remember somebody else saying they thought their plants had made the ammonia spike. yeah, it could be plant breaking down... no real idea. I sure wouldnt think plants could "turn" on ya, but looks like they did. Ingrid >Can the fish live for over a week-ish with no food??? We would be gone from >June 2-12th. I was thinking of one of those battery operated fish feeders. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >levels came down faster. It could have also been the constant water changes >too... This delicate balance is a harder science than it seems... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. > The plants. I took the plants out. Do you think that once the ammonia started > to go up, it was killing the plants and they too started to add ammonia, > causing a death spiral in the tank? It seems once I got the plants out the > levels came down faster. It could have also been the constant water changes > too... This delicate balance is a harder science than it seems... Yes, too much ammonia can kill plants. It 'burns' them, turning them brown. And as they rot, they release all their stored nitrogen. At least, I'm assuming that water plants act the same as terrestrial ones.  SignatureLaurie, Dark Phoenix dark_phoenix@netw.com Error. Install universe and reboot. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!!! Life for the fishies is looking a little better. Yesderday, I purged the tank and took out about 80% of the water. Left enough in so all the base rocks and plastic plants were still covered so as not to lose too many of the possible biobugs living there. Got the live plants rinsed off, and reloaded the tank. In the Emperor 280 filter, took one of the filters out (it was getting old) and replaced it with a stuffed stocking with carbon, and another one with ammo-carb chips... Let it set for a few hours and had the levels tested at the LFS. Water is very clear, and all was fine. Put all the fishies back in. Treasure and Blackfin are enjoying it and Goldie is still cautious, but eating... Today, tested ammo levels, still looking good, Goldie still cautious. It's looking better though and bug-eyes are back to normal. Still going to keep an eye on it though. I'm feeding them less, and they seem to notice as they are really going for the pothos ivy and sucking the bejeebers out of it... Can't win. Either I overfeed them and the tank ammo-spikes, or I don't and they try to herbicide my plants... They make you crazy... I'll be watching the tank daily to see if it starts to cycle due to the amount of water I took out... Thanks again everyone! yeah, algae grows on submerged part of plants and the itty bitty critter GF like to eat is around the algae so the fish are "cleaning" the plants. Ingrid they are really going for the pothos ivy and sucking the bejeebers >out of it... Can't win. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. >It's been a bad week for our beloved goldfish, Goldie... Goldie is our oldest >of our 3 left (we started with 6 almost 2 years ago). All was fine with it [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >I wish there was something we could do for our fishy. Any happy advise for us, >or are Goldie's day numbered? Having read the follow ups to the original post WTF hasn't anybody suggested putting this poor fish out of it's misery instead of subjecting it to the experimental suggestions that have ensued. Please, please, please end this fishes misery now. It's obviously not feeding correctly and has other difficulties. I don't think it's a case of "Can fish have brain damage?", more like a case of "Can the posters have brain damage?" YP > I don't think it's a > case of "Can fish have brain damage?", more like a case of "Can the > posters have brain damage?" Frequently, although I still follow our old dorm rule... "No Pink Floyd before midnight." -D Signature"Ahhhhh, ahh-ahh, ahhhhhhh-a-haaaaa" Thanks to Ingrid and Jo Ann, miracles CAN happen! Goldie is about well enough to join the others. It's eating well, and swimming well too. Seems it's more sensitive to the tank's ammonia than the others and it got toxic shock. I've been working my backend off every day for about a month getting the tank pristine again and nursing Goldie back to health. "Yorkshire Pudding": Try explaining to your little boy that you have to kill his beloved fish just because it is sick... Then they wonder that if they get sick, you may kill them off too... Thank goodness yours wasn't the only advise on these boards... Your comments truly have proven your point of "Can the posters have brain damage"... >Thanks to Ingrid and Jo Ann, miracles CAN happen! Goldie is about well enough >to join the others. It's eating well, and swimming well too. Seems it's more [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Your comments truly have proven your point of "Can the posters have brain >damage"... Ever heard of "White lies"? or "Fish Heaven" ? I for one, when I was a child, never thought my parents would kill me if I was ill after they'd had to have one of our dogs put to sleep, I was told the reason for their decision and saw sense. I hate to see any creature suffer and sincerley hope that that Goldie makes a full recovery, I also apologise for any offence my post may have caused to you. Regards YP |
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