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Pet Forum / Aquaria / Goldfish / May 2004fancy GF id? (another newbie query)
I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what turned out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the fish seem well and happy (I'm assuming here that "ridiculously active" counts as happy for goldfish <g>), and the water changes seem to be working for them until they get more space. I'm hoping someone will be able to help me id the little fancy fish here: www.hippocampi.com/jack.jpg I bought him as a ryukin, but I'm not convinced - all the ryukins I've seen (in pictures) have a fairly pronounced "hump", which he doesn't. is this missing when fish are young (he's just over an inch, not counting the tail), or is he something else? In the picture he's going pretty fast, so his top fin is flying back (it's "hinged" on the front bone, unlike the other two GF), but usually it stands up nicely. Is he a fantail? One type I've seen listed on british sites is a "man-yu", and I wondered if this might be the answer. He's very active and fairly acrobatic, if this is of any help. I do hope the picture's good enough - goldfish, I find, don't keep still enough to have their pictures taken! many thanks for any help,  Signaturesophie Hi there I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought mine from a tank of 'assorted oranda's' But other people may have another answer, all I can say is it looks just like my oranda, unless of course, my 'oranda, is not actually an oranda, You know what LFS's are like!! > I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what turned > out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the fish [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > many thanks for any help, >Hi there >I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought mine from [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >like my oranda, unless of course, my 'oranda, is not actually an oranda, You >know what LFS's are like!! Orandas have a strange "hood": http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/oranda/oranda.htm so I can safely say that I don't have one of those. But I am increasingly confused, if that makes you feel any better! >> I posted here a little while back about my (son's) fish in what turned >> out to be a sadly overstocked tank. the good news is that all the fish [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> -- >> sophie Signaturesophie As i said LFS's dont seem to know anything do they, i bought an 'oranda' a year ago, it its actually a black more, so needless to say the fish you and I have with the multi colour, has quite a streamline shape but a fancy tail?! it will be interesting to find out what it is then!! Kellie > >Hi there > >I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought mine from [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >> -- > >> sophie >As i said LFS's dont seem to know anything do they, >i bought an 'oranda' a year ago, it its actually a black more, so needless >to say the fish you and I have with the multi colour, has quite a streamline >shape but a fancy tail?! > >it will be interesting to find out what it is then!! I'm guessing man-yu (although the associations worry me slightly <g>), or that ryukins don't develop a hump until they're older. And there's a post just arrived on the ng that makes me think that maybe that's the case... >Kellie > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >> -- >> sophie Signaturesophie I have a ryukin so its definatly not one of those!! never heard of a man-yu! ill have to look it up. Kellie > >As i said LFS's dont seem to know anything do they, > >i bought an 'oranda' a year ago, it its actually a black more, so needless [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > >> -- > >> sophie Sophie, The characteristic hump of the Ryukin is definitely noticeable in fry that are only about 4 to 8 months old. It does not appear later. It is genetic and appears early in the fry's body structure. HTH Tom L.L. ===================================== >> As i said LFS's dont seem to know anything do they, >> i bought an 'oranda' a year ago, it its actually a black more, so [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] >>> >> -- >>> >> sophie Dave, If your fish is similar in coloration as Sophie then you both have Calico Fantails. Tom L.L. ================================== > As i said LFS's dont seem to know anything do they, > i bought an 'oranda' a year ago, it its actually a black more, so needless [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] >>>>-- >>>>sophie Sophie, The hood is misconception by a lot of people as being necessary to be an Oranda. This is just something that an Oranda can have. The designation of an Oranda is in its body shape and finnage. I have a male Oranda right now that is 6 inches long and it has no Wen (hood) at all. Now-a-days, most Orandas are bred with wens, which is why many think that it is a designation for the Oranda when it is not. HTH Tom L.L. ========================================== >> Hi there >> I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >>> >>> many thanks for any help, Sorry Dave and Sophie, You are both the proud owners of Fantails. The body is not round enough for an Oranda and as surmised it doesn't have a hump and so is not a Ryukin. The "hump" doesn't have to be severe to be a Ryukin, but it has to be there. Tom L.L. ------------------------------------- > Hi there > I bought a fish that looks exactly the same as yours, but I bought mine from [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >>many thanks for any help, Is it a calico fantail? >Is it a calico fantail? I thought it might be, even if its tail seems too long; however this page: http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/man-yu/man-yu.htm which is from a fairly reputable UK goldfish society suggests the Man-yu, as: *When you go shopping for a basic, twintailed goldfish in a pet shop or most other aquatic outlets, this fish is what you are buying, imported from the Far East. For fantails or veiltails you need to visit a specialist outlet or join a goldfish club.* (this refers to the UK) My fish's tail looks to be a bit long for a proper fantail, but too much like a butterfly for a veiltail. I have to say he's a very entertaining fish & a lot of fun to watch, even if I can't identify him. On the tank side of things, I'm seriously considering buying a second-hand, good condition four foot tank - the space I have in my son's new room could fit a tank that size; I wouldn't gain any extra room space by putting a smaller one in. This should be a distinct improvement! thanks for your help, Signaturesophie Sophie, The tail of the Fantail can be as long as the fish's body. I have some with tails that long at present. HTH Tom L.L. ================================================= >> Is it a calico fantail? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > thanks for your help, >Sophie, > >The tail of the Fantail can be as long as the fish's body. I have some >with tails that long at present. Thanks for all your replies! according to these pages: http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/fantail/fantail.htm and http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfish/man-yu/man-yu.htm the British standard for fantails requires a short tail, hence my speculations about the man-yu. This is UK specific, however; and I'm also taking it on faith as I'm a novice! the British standard for orandas also require the hood, but again, this is UK specific and I'm still taking the source on faith... thanks again for your help, >HTH > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>improvement! >> thanks for your help, Signaturesophie well at least I know what I have, knew it wasnt an oranda as I have one, but as I said our LFS are rubbish, i purchased a number of fish named as orandas, one is a black more and now the other is a fantail as I have just found out, also one turned out to be a rynukin! kellie > >Sophie, > > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >>improvement! > >> thanks for your help, Kellie, Don't be too hard on your LFS when it comes to Goldfish varieties. The are probably selling to you what came into them already named from the shipper. Many people call Common Goldfish "Comets" when they are just Common Goldfish. A Comet is a Goldfish variety developed in the U.S. that has a torpedo sharped body, but has a tail that is 3/4 to 1 1/2 to as much 2 times the fish's body length. Same thing with Shubunkins, if they are pond fish they are Shubunkins when in fact that are actually Common Goldfish that are Calicos. The store calls them Shubunkins, because that is what the shipper called them. HTH Tom L.L. =================================== > well at least I know what I have, knew it wasnt an oranda as I have one, but > as I said our LFS are rubbish, i purchased a number of fish named as [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >>>>improvement! >>>> thanks for your help, |
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