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Scooter's e-collar diary

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Dave Smey - 01 Sep 2005 18:08 GMT
Hi all,

2 days ago I posted about Scooter's broken toes and the vet's plan for a
cast and e-collar.  I thought I'd keep writing in to document the difficulty
of dealing with Scooter's collar in the long-term.

Searching through the archives, I did find this helpful photo (6th down on
the page):
http://cottontail.home.att.net/Ralph

which helped us see how far back we might trim the collar.  I'm actually
planning on bugging the vet again next week to get a new collar fit - the
one we've got is actually closed with duct tape, and we can't trim that area
of the cone, so Scooter is stuck with a lop-sided shape that keeps rotating
around to the worst possible position.  We'll get a new one that is
pre-trimmed before being applied.

Emotionally, I think Scooter has gone from freaked-out to annoyed.  At first
he would run around the living room in an effort to escape.  Now he just
spends his free time licking at it.  This is understandable, as he has
nothing better to do (can't groom himself.)  He is more willing to chill out
and sleep for short periods, which is a big relief.

Food-wise, we are having some problems.  The only things we can get him to
eat are breakfast cereal (Quaker Oat Squares) and carrot greens.  For
anything else (including loose oats, his usual favorite), he'll take one
bite and then get upset, wriggling around in the collar.  Hopefully he'll
learn to relax more.  In the meantime I guess it's carrot tops and parsley
every day.

Several people have posted about his need for cecals.  I plan to address
that when we've made more progress on the basic mechanics of eating.

That's it for now, I guess.  Only 33 more days to go.  If anyone has
additional advice, of course, it would be much appreciated.
Mickey - 01 Sep 2005 19:02 GMT
howdy dave, i'm right across the water from you in middletown, nj.  my
suggestion is for you to do one of the following:
1.  call your vet and ask for a new collar.
2.  go to your local petsmart and buy a collar that fits better (yes, they
sell them there for approximately $8 - 20 depending on the size you need.)
3.  make one yourself or fix the one he is currently using.

i would NOT continue feeding the oat squares cause scooter's cecals will
most definitely INCREASE and that can get awfully smelly.  you also chance
poopy butt which is something you definitely don't need at the moment.

does scooter eat hay?  that should be easy enough to eat even with the
collar.  the nice thing about the ones you buy is that it's easy to take on
and off.  so when you're home, you'll be able to moniter scooter as he eats.
(poor guy.....nose rubs to him.)

who is your vet?  are they rabbit savy?

mickey, morgan & dipper
thumper from the bridge

> Hi all,
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> That's it for now, I guess.  Only 33 more days to go.  If anyone has
> additional advice, of course, it would be much appreciated.
Cathy - 01 Sep 2005 21:39 GMT
I was also going to suggest removing the collar while you can monitor him.

Perhaps D., the owner of the immortal Ralphable of e-collar fame, will check
in and share some hints.

Cathy

> howdy dave, i'm right across the water from you in middletown, nj.  my
> suggestion is for you to do one of the following:
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>> That's it for now, I guess.  Only 33 more days to go.  If anyone has
>> additional advice, of course, it would be much appreciated.
Dave Smey - 05 Sep 2005 21:34 GMT
Hi all,

Thanks for the suggestions so far.  We are making lots of progress, and it
really does seem like keeping Scooter in a collar for 5 weeks may turn out
to be fairly tolerable after all.

We've finally got the correct trim on the collar - enough so that he can
stick his mouth out past the edge, and uniform all around.

We tend to hand-feed the more chunky, substantial veggies (like carrots,
broccoli) because he is still very clumsy - he will accidentally push the
food under his feet and then, unable to see it, keep walking forward.  But
he clearly likes it when you hold the food at eye level - he'll polish off a
good one- or two-inch chunk.

Aside from that our mainstays are carrot tops, parsley, and hay as a backup.
(Thanks for the tip on that, Mickey.) I think he is eating almost as much as
he used to.

In general, he is returning to the sweet, laid-back bun he used to be.  I
think that as long as we keep lavishing extra attention on him he will be
all right.

Cheers,
-Dave Smey
Professor - 06 Sep 2005 01:05 GMT
Glad to hear all is working out.  Keep us posted on Scooter's progress.

> Hi all,
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> Cheers,
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davesmey@gmail.com - 30 Sep 2005 02:07 GMT
i gang,

Don't know if anybody will find this update, but I figure I'll post it
for posterity.

We are almost done!  Scooter is going into his 5th week with the cast
and e-collar.  In general he is OK - a little chafing on the ears, but
otherwise fine and acting very normal.  He spends a lot of time "fake
grooming" himself through the plastic of the collar.

I thought I'd addess a topic near and dear to many rabbit owners -
cecals.  Scooter is loose on our (very cheap, office-style) living room
carpet.  He used to be very fastidious with cecals, simply reaching
down and eating them from the source.

Now he drops a little bunch on the carpet and tries to wheel around and
pick it up.  Sometimes he is successful, but on a bad day he tracks it
around.  (Ugh.)  One trick I've found, when he leaves it intact but
simply fails to find it, is to take a little cocktail straw, spear it,
and offer it up.  He always eats it gratefully (though he is also very
intrigued by the seemingly chewable straw.)

So anyway, he is getting his cecals.

Overall, this worked out pretty well.  I was convinced it was a
disaster and a big mistake, but, assuming that he will have a usable
foot in a week or so, I guess it was the right way to go.

-Dave Smey
Brooklyn, NY
Professor - 30 Sep 2005 04:35 GMT
Thanks for the update.  :)

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heatherlouwho - 30 Sep 2005 15:31 GMT
YAY Scooter!

So glad to hear that he's getting his nutrients AND is soon to be done
with his ordeal!  Thanks for posting the update, Dave!

Heather
Clover
and Raleigh
 
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