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Pet Forum / Mammals / Rabbits / March 2007first bonding session - Bun Fight Tonight!
Two big events today - I put them in each other's cages for a couple of hours this morning, and this evening was the first official attempt at a bonding session. The cage switch went pretty well - I feel sorry for Pepper because I'm sure he peed all over her cage. I shut him into her condo and put her into his pen. When I got back from running errands she had gotten out. Sigh. I am no match for Clever-bunny. We just finished our first "bonding session". It really ought to be called our first "Try to make sure they don't kill each other" session. There was a LOT of aggression on both sides. I'm covered in pee and hair and between the poop and the hair I had quite the vacuuming session in the apartment hallway afterwards. She is either initially aggressive or can be set off by sudden movements. Pretty much everything he does is sudden, so I spent a lot of time sticking my hand between them to forestall a clinch. There were a couple of bad ones - including one of Frisco dancing away with a mouth full of fur. And she bit me on purpose a couple of times. "Lemme at 'im!" Anyone planning on this, get the heavy leather gloves at the hardware store - I'd have needed stitches if I didn't have them. As it is they already have a couple of cuts in each glove and I've only used them twice. But there were 3 brief sessions of side-by-side sitting while I petted them both. I ended things on a note of sitting facing about 6" away for about a minute without charging. It was as close to "ending on a positive note" as I could manage. I plan pretty much the same thing tomorrow. I knew this wasn't going to be easy, and I'm committed to at least 3-4 weeks. But oh I wish they'd just get along.  Signature------------------------------------------------------ Wendy Z Chicago, IL (Moo) Wench Wear Costumes http://pages.ripco.net/~zski Wench #525 AIM=wendylady525 http://www.livejournal.com/users/wendyzski/ "Though she be but little, she is fierce" "It's the little ones you have to watch out for..." "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" -------------------------------------------------------- You are a saint - mine fight and I swear I need a week just to recover my nerves to do it all again. Please keep us posted! Stephanie > Two big events today - I put them in each other's cages for a couple of > hours this morning, and this evening was the first official attempt at a [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" > -------------------------------------------------------- I am sending don't fight vibes for the kids. Maybe you could get some gardening gloves for your hands? I am thinking about it. Carla and Liza. Oh I have nice thick leather gloves on for this - otherwise I'd probably be in the ER for stitches. > I am sending don't fight vibes for the kids. Maybe you could get some > gardening gloves for your hands? I am thinking about it. Carla and Liza. Signature------------------------------------------------------ Wendy Z Chicago, IL (Moo) Wench Wear Costumes http://pages.ripco.net/~zski Wench #525 AIM=wendylady525 http://www.livejournal.com/users/wendyzski/ "Though she be but little, she is fierce" "It's the little ones you have to watch out for..." "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" -------------------------------------------------------- > You are a saint - mine fight and I swear I need a week just to recover > my nerves to do it all again. Please keep us posted! See, i wonder what the best thing to do now is - wade right back in there tomorrow or give them a break for a day. Anyone have input on this? ------------------------------------------------------ Wendy Z Chicago, IL (Moo) Wench Wear Costumes http://pages.ripco.net/~zski Wench #525 AIM=wendylady525 http://www.livejournal.com/users/wendyzski/ "Though she be but little, she is fierce" "It's the little ones you have to watch out for..." "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" -------------------------------------------------------- >From what I've read consistency is good unless you start to worry someone will really get hurt. In that case, some time apart can be healthy. "Absence makes the heart grow fonder" and all that. My boys have been seperated for a few weeks now - since the big fight - and I put rescue remedy on their ears before I let one out now - they can interact through the bars now with relative calm. I always stay alert though as I'm not sure I trust how much protection the cage really offers . . . If you'd like I can email you an invite to a group where I have gotten a lot of solid bonding advice. An extra set of opinions to add to what you pick up here can never hurt! Stephanie > > You are a saint - mine fight and I swear I need a week just to recover > > my nerves to do it all again. Please keep us posted! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" > -------------------------------------------------------- I'm getting advice from here, binkybunny.com, and the livejournal bunnyowners community. Any more advice and my head will 'splode >>From what I've read consistency is good unless you start to worry > someone will really get hurt. In that case, some time apart can be [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" >> -------------------------------------------------------- Signature------------------------------------------------------ Wendy Z Chicago, IL (Moo) Wench Wear Costumes http://pages.ripco.net/~zski Wench #525 AIM=wendylady525 http://www.livejournal.com/users/wendyzski/ "Though she be but little, she is fierce" "It's the little ones you have to watch out for..." "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" -------------------------------------------------------- If you plan on finding him another home in the event things don't work out, BE VERY CAREFUL! With both Raz and Mowgli (we think that's his new name) we planned on returning them to find homes if things didn't work and now here we are with two seperate buns and more than likely a third one to be added in the near future. It wasn't even so much I had had the time to get attached - more like I couldn't send them back out not knowing where they were going to end up. Your brain says "they'll end up somewhere wonderful" and your heart says "but what if they don't?" Stephanie > I'm getting advice from here, binkybunny.com, and the livejournal > bunnyowners community. Any more advice and my head will 'splode [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > If you plan on finding him another home in the event things don't work > out, BE VERY CAREFUL! With both Raz and Mowgli (we think that's his [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > - Show quoted text - If buns need to be sent back or out placed, do it. They might not go to a better place but at least they have a chance. Keeping them just condems them to a sad life even if they get the best food and vet care. james? how does keeping them condem them to a sad life? that is ridiculous. stephaine adores her new bun. the odds of them getting one that loves her is not big. oh i see! they are condmend to be loved by the person that can't just send them back because they love them that much. poor bunnies... sometimes i don't think you pre think what you say. it is all just a crap shoot when you send them back. the person has to make the choice themselves. i myself. like to condem them by keeping them.... beth and her cute little fuzzbutts, :) http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/bethsabsolutely http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/thatcatsurehaslong http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/Cutessa http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/NewBunnyloveselvis (this is the pics of amber's progress..) http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/browse/84f3 Beth, thanks!!!! James, either think before you open your mouth or don't do it. My buns are two of the most spoiled animals you will ever meet and they lack for nothing - love included! The only thing I was saying is our intentions had ben to have a bonded pair, but by bringing in buns for "trial periods" we came to feel they were our responsibility and they stayed. We simply adapted our household to fit another member and they are no less wanted than they would have been had they decided to be "best friends forever." Don't you dare imply anything less. Period. Stephanie > james? how does keeping them condem them to a sad life? that is > ridiculous. stephaine adores her new bun. the odds of them getting one [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/b... > james? how does keeping them condem them to a sad life? that is > ridiculous. stephaine adores her new bun. the odds of them getting one [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > beth and her cute little fuzzbutts, :) It's a crapshoot that means there's just as much a chance of getting placed in a better situation. No matter how much you love you buns, if you have to cage it it's still a prisoner. If you have to cage them to prevent them from killing each other, a new home is probably better. Butterball doesn't run around in little circles for fun, he runs around the perimeter by the fence at full speed. Wouldn't he be running around in his cage if it was just as much fun? Most people just don't have enough room to keep several rabbits that don't get along. Even multilevel condos don't allow a rabbit to run and really have fun. How many times if ever have you seen blinkies in a cage? People lock their buns up at night when the buns really want to play. It really cuts into their out of cage time if you have a bunch that have to take their turn. Now I don't know how you do it with 17 rabbits. It would take over 4 hours a day just to spend 15 minutes with each one. > It's a crapshoot that means there's just as much a chance of getting > placed in a better situation. No matter how much you love you buns, > if you have to cage it it's still a prisoner. If you have to cage > them to prevent them from killing each other, a new home is probably > better. Our house bunnies are hardly prisoners - they have plenty of space and run time, and their cages give them somewhere to feel safe and private. > Butterball doesn't run around in little circles for fun, he runs > around the perimeter by the fence at full speed. Wouldn't he be > running around in his cage if it was just as much fun? Bunnies like the territory they know - most buns even given the whole house as an option will choose a smaller space as "theirs." Added benefit - unlike Butterball our rabbits lives are not at risk from things we can't control every day such as predators and the weather. > Most people just don't have enough room to keep several rabbits that > don't get along. Even multilevel condos don't allow a rabbit to run > and really have fun. How many times if ever have you seen blinkies in > a cage? I don't think you really pay very much attention to how our bunnies are setup. They are all very content and full of binkies and joy. Maybe if you actually met a well cared for bun you would realize the difference between them and Butterball and Puppy. > People lock their buns up at night when the buns really want to play. > It really cuts into their out of cage time if you have a bunch that > have to take their turn. Penning a rabbit at night is hardly punishment and some people don't even do that. > Now I don't know how you do it with 17 rabbits. It would take over 4 > hours a day just to spend 15 minutes with each one. I'm sure Beth spends more time each day with each of her buns than you ever do with yours. That's the reason that the moment one of them is off she knows it. If your rabbits were to get sick the chances of you noticing is slim to none, so whose are really better off? By staying in this group you contribute nothing constructive and you don't appreciate the views held by the majority here, so why do you continue to post? I could see it if you were actually open to learning something or offering something valuable here rather than insulting and "condemning" the way our buns are cared for, but you aren't! I know there are plenty of groups out there who would be more accepting of your opinions, so why not find one rather than continuing to cause us headaches. Stephanie > off she knows it. If your rabbits were to get sick the chances of you > noticing is slim to none, so whose are really better off? Only chance of my not noticing is if I was completely blind. You really have to be a first class idiot to think having outdoor rabbits makes me blind. You would have to be really lazy to let a little bad weather keep you from going out to care and interact with your rabbits. Do you really love your rabbits if you would not go outside for them? Not having experienced outdoor rabbits you really have no cue in the possibilities. Every day that my buns remain healthy and happy only confirms that outdoor living is best for them. Your only knowledge of outdoors is probably limited to what you got from HRS. I've found their info to be incomplete and possibly just do not apply to outdoor rabbits. While they might have a valid argument about exposure to predators, they are just plain wrong when it comes to temperature. I'm convinced that temperature related problems are limited to rabbits locked in cages. You'll find temperature underground varies very little. Rabbits are not so stupid that they remain out in the extreme heat or cold when they can be in their nice comfortable warren. We certainly had plenty of temperature extremes in the past 12 months. BTW my buns have thick furs that completely hide their jewels that were clearly exposed in warm weather. A few reasons I think my buns are happier than house buns? Unlimited playtime outdoors vs limited "supervised time in an exercise pen" Unlimited fresh juicy grass vs dry hay Staying trim by running the fat off vs forced diet Stronger bones by running vs weak bones from indoor life > By staying in this group you contribute nothing constructive and you > don't appreciate the views held by the majority here, so why do you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Stephanie You see the vocal majority here is only a handful of people. I hope the silent lurkers out there are not just feed misinformation on rabbits. My experience does not prove buns to be weak, sickly creatures that would only survive using RHS guidelines. They do not have one foot in the grave and the others on banana peels. I don't think I so lucky that my 2 buns are the only healthy, happy ones living totally outdoors. What I would like is not just I against you guys but having all kinds of rabbit people contributing in this forum. It's the narrow minded that make rabbit forums either totally pro this or pro that. > A few reasons I think my buns are happier than house buns? > Unlimited playtime outdoors vs limited "supervised time in an exercise > pen" > Unlimited fresh juicy grass vs dry hay > Staying trim by running the fat off vs forced diet > Stronger bones by running vs weak bones from indoor life I wouldn't let a bunny of mine outside, nor a cat of mine. I don't care what HRS or anyone else says. Things like ticks, bot flies, fleas, predators, barking dogs, getting lost (even though my Nibbler is chipped, I'm still terrified of him getting lost)... call it paranoia or over-protectiveness or whatever you want to call it. As for him being happy and healthy? He's the happiest bun I've ever met, and his health is and has always been perfect. Even when I get paranoid and rush in to the vet 'cause he sneezed. He gets unlimited playtime. He's almost never locked in his cage (only when I'm cleaning and I'm afraid he'll bite the vacuum cleaner cord or something. He loves to run around. He zooms all over the place, and flops when he's tired. He also LOVES his cage. Have I ever seen a bunny binky in a cage? Yes, not only that, I have it on film. He clearly sees his cage as his nest, my bedroom as his expanded warren, and our apartment as his territory. He spends a few hours a day in his cage, even with the door open so he can leave at any time. He's strong and healthy. He has a hearty appetite and eats unlimited orchard grass. He gets unlimited exercise. He's the most important thing in my life and he knows it. His webpage is here - http://nibblerbunny.com - it includes pictures videos of him in his cage, enjoying his cage, zooming around and dancing in it, etc. Along with him enjoying the rest of our apartment. --Bae > > A few reasons I think my buns are happier than house buns? > > Unlimited playtime outdoors vs limited "supervised time in an exercise [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > --Bae My rabbits are essentially houserabbits, where they have free range. I am fortunate to have a well enclosed garden with sturdy solid 6ft high fence all round and in England predators are few - foxes and badgers tend to come out at night when the bunnies are safe indoors. Birds of prey also are few, at least of the size that could get a rabbit. In extremely hot, dry summer weather it is possible there are some adders about but in my 54 years I am yet to see one or to meet anybody who has seen one. We have very little problem from ticks in urban areas. My bunnies have access to the garden when I am there to supervise their safety. In bad weather they point blank refuse to go out. That does NOT in any way make them unhealthy. Inside the house they have a hutch that they go into voluntarily from time to time. The back lobby where the hutch is (6ft x 3ft 6in) and one end of the kitchen, another 6ft by 3ft 6in area are their domain. There are blankets over the tiled floor with non-slip matting below in their part of the kitchen and in the lobby. All of it can be taken up and washed as it is regularly. That is their space and when I go out, so that they don't set off the burglar alarm, they are confined to the kitchen and lobby (they can roam the rest of the kitchen if they want to without setting off the alarm, a further 6ft square of tiled floor, but they do prefer the blanketed part where their hutch and feed/water/litter tray are.) When I am at home they have the whole of the rest of the house, upstairs and down to roam free in, all day, every day. So yes they are houserabbits, they are VERY happy, they are healthy and they have a whole lot of time and attention from me. At the first sign of a problem we go straight to the vet. Are they neglected or unhappy do you think James? I suspect not! Ros and the Varmints > My bunnies have access to the garden when I am there to supervise > their safety. In bad weather they point blank refuse to go out. That > does NOT in any way make them unhealthy. Funny, my buns refuses to get out of the rain till they're soaked to the bone. > > My bunnies have access to the garden when I am there to supervise > > their safety. In bad weather they point blank refuse to go out. That > > does NOT in any way make them unhealthy. > > Funny, my buns refuses to get out of the rain till they're soaked to > the bone. And your point is? > > > My bunnies have access to the garden when I am there to supervise > > > their safety. In bad weather they point blank refuse to go out. That [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And your point is? They must love running in the rain as much as playing in the snow or digging in the dirt. > I wouldn't let a bunny of mine outside, nor a cat of mine. I don't care > what HRS or anyone else says. Things like ticks, bot flies, fleas, > predators, barking dogs, getting lost (even though my Nibbler is > chipped, I'm still terrified of him getting lost)... call it paranoia or > over-protectiveness or whatever you want to call it. Except for bot flies, my buns and I have experienced all of them including getting lost. At least I thought they were lost. They knew exactly where they were. When I don't let my cat out she jumps up on window sills watching the outdoors. It really is not possible to substitute anything for the outdoors. > He also LOVES his cage. Have I ever seen a bunny binky in a cage? Yes, > not only that, I have it on film. I've been to the site before but only viewed the clip on being to fast to catch on film. Which one is the one on binky? >> I wouldn't let a bunny of mine outside, nor a cat of mine. I don't care >> what HRS or anyone else says. Things like ticks, bot flies, fleas, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > window sills watching the outdoors. It really is not possible to > substitute anything for the outdoors. there is no substitute for being shot in the head either. doesn't mean I want it. while an outdoor or indoor/outdoor cat might be unhappy if suddenly not allowed to go out, and an indoor only cat will watch out the windows, it doesn't mean it's better for them, OR that they actually miss it. *I* watch out windows. Hell, "Rear Window" is my favorite movie. Doesn't mean I want to live out there. and just 'cause someone likes something, it doesn't mean it's good for them. I'd rather my buns and cats have a long, happy, healthy life than go outside and deal with the risk of the above, and more. Googling for "life span indoor outdoor cats" (without quotes) I find 258,000 sites that say keeping a cat exclusively indoors increases it's life expectancy about 5 to 10 years. I've never done a study on this myself, so I don't know how accurate it is, but, as a kid, having had cats run over or just vanish, i'll never have another cat that's not strictly an indoor cat again. I do know for a fact that wild bunnies live on average 2 years, and house bunnies live on average 10 years. I have no data on pet rabbits kept outside. Googling for "life span indoor outdoor rabbits" isn't as conclusive, though many sites say a pet rabbit living outside lives about 1/2 as long as one living inside. >> He also LOVES his cage. Have I ever seen a bunny binky in a cage? Yes, >> not only that, I have it on film. > I've been to the site before but only viewed the clip on being to fast > to catch on film. Which one is the one on binky? well, the word "binky" kind of irritates me (for no particular reason, it just does, and I don't usually use it) instead, I say he dances. So, videos with the word "dances" in the title - also, the one that shows how much he loves his cage is here - http://baerana.com/nibbler/cagezoom.mpg Signature-Bae james. this is a HOUSE rabbit group!! waht does house mean? not yard buns.. stop trying to change our group to fit you. go find a group that likes outdoor rabbits best, ps. mr assume man.. my buns WERE outdoor buns for me for a few years. i know just what it was like. i am not guessing. you make yourself look so ignorant. you remind me of my father. he thiks what he has and says is the only thing that matters, no one else can be valid unless they agree with him. his house is the best, his life is the best. he crap don't stink. and oh yeah.. he is bipolar. bet that is the best too. you can't get along with anybody here because you can't even admit that it could be good both ways. it is your way or the highway!! does the world spin on your axis too? i bet it does. or it wishes it did. you amuse me.. you are such a little kid with your my bunnies outside are better than yours! :P so there.. think what you like. but. EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG! :P i'm tired of having to take my toys and not play with you. this is the second one this month.. sharing sucks.. oh. my buns are better than your buns. so there! i win.. bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOL!!!!!! beth and her cute little fuzzbutts, :) http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/bethsabsolutely http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/thatcatsurehaslong http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/Cutessa http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/NewBunnyloveselvis (this is the pics of amber's progress..) http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/browse/84f3 > james. this is a HOUSE rabbit group!! waht does house mean? not yard > buns.. stop trying to change our group to fit you. go find a group that [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/b... Just when you start to make a little sense you start talking like a loon. Just because you hate your father doesn't mean you have to be a Nazi here. This group certainly did not start out as a house rabbit group. HR people might have taken it over in which case it should change the group name to include "house.rabbit". You shouldn't be ashamed to let the world know. There's a Mr. Lee Meyer at http://en.allexperts.com/q/Rabbits-703/index.htm who is up front about being a house rabbit person. People here certainly don't welcome newbies with a "welcome to the house rabbit group". "james, mine are not in cages. they are free!! in their own rooms." You fault me for interpreting in their own rooms to mean one rabbit - one room? Yes I didn't realize you were doing group hugs. Yes, I assume rabbits takes a lot of room because mine certainly do. Yes, I deal with my buns one on one. If you have experienced outdoor rabbits and choose to be a house rabbit person than something terrible must have happened to turn you. You should obviously know outdoor rabbits do not prevent you from spending as much time as you want with them. You and some others here sound to me like people who won't go to the lake because there are mosquitoes, won't hike in the woods because there are ticks, won't go surfing because there are sharks. You might as well live like Howard Hughes. uh oh! james you said nazi!! i know there are some rules about that. are you sure you are not a teenager? cause i think you are. i don't even think you have any bunnies. you just want to cause trouble. a loone!! that is funny.. the pot calling the kettle black.. time to take your meds now.. nite nite.. beth and her cute little fuzzbutts, :) http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/bethsabsolutely http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/thatcatsurehaslong http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/Cutessa http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/NewBunnyloveselvis (this is the pics of amber's progress..) http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/browse/84f3 > uh oh! james you said nazi!! i know there are some rules about that. > are you sure you are not a teenager? cause i think you are. i don't even > think you have any bunnies. you just want to cause trouble. a loone!! > that is funny.. the pot calling the kettle black.. time to take your > meds now.. nite nite.. LOL! I didn't even catch his Nazi reference! yup, it's official, the argument is over and James lost :) (godwin's law, in case you were wondering) Signature-Bae > > uh oh! james you said nazi!! i know there are some rules about > > that. are you sure you are not a teenager? cause i think you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > (godwin's law, in case you were wondering) To be picky (and heck, why not?), Godwin's law only states that the longer a discussion goes on the probability of comparison with Nazis approaches one. It mutated into the form you quote, but I always thought it was a little off anyway. I think he should have allowed for the presence of trolls. Just my $.02 Joe SignatureTo email me move each letter of the domain back one. > uh oh! james you said nazi!! i know there are some rules about that. > are you sure you are not a teenager? cause i think you are. i don't even [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/b... Please substitute George Bush for the other word. No. I didn't know you live at the lake because I don't read every thing here specially if the author is a known waste of time. Also don't read messages on chronically sick or dying rabbits. Obviously I sound crazy to you but I'm sure you really sound crazy to people without pets. What I don't understand is why any of you would think I don't have rabbits. Probably because you don't know as much about rabbits you think you do. Surprising is that you having had outdoor rabbits were unable or refused to answer my questions when I first became active here. Basically I had to use my rabbits to test their temperature tolerances. Perhaps your rabbits died in the heat. Mine handled the heat (100F air temp) as well as the cold (0F wind chill). Of course I give them protection but them remain outdoor. Each time my experience is different than yours disproves you absolute. If your bun had corn leaves and die and mine ate them with no problem, should I believe you or should I believe me? If yours constantly have stomach problems and I mine don't, why should I believe you know better? Most here don't believe males specially intact one can bond. Why can't they believe people other than me who said it was possible. My buns are bonded even if they do fight. Of course my definition of bonding includes fighting. When one bun flops on his side and stretches out, the other does the same on top of the first sure spells bonding to me. Only saw it once but being next to each other skin-to- skin happens as often as "fighting" and chasing. BTW if this is ended because I said George Bush, so be it. Go out and fill up today if possible. Oil is up $5. PS. Pardon grammer and spelling errors. I also don't prove read before posting. He's just gotten to the point where we snort, then point and laugh at him. As long as we point out to the newbies that his information would get rabbits killed he's simply too rediculous to take any other way. He's just too thick skulled to realize he's long gone past the point of raising trouble and is now firmly planted on the rank of Laughing Stock.. SignatureCamille The StealthBunny Owned & Managed by The Phooka http://stillstealthy.tripod.com/thephooka > uh oh! james you said nazi!! i know there are some rules about that. > are you sure you are not a teenager? cause i think you are. i don't even [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/browse/84f3 He's just gotten to the point where we snort, then point and laugh at him. As long as we point out to the newbies that his information would get rabbits killed he's simply too rediculous to take any other way. He's just too thick skulled to realize he's long gone past the point of raising trouble and is now firmly planted on the rank of Laughing Stock.. SignatureCamille The StealthBunny Owned & Managed by The Phooka http://stillstealthy.tripod.com/thephooka > uh oh! james you said nazi!! i know there are some rules about that. > are you sure you are not a teenager? cause i think you are. i don't even [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/browse/84f3 ps. ah.. gee! won't go to the lake?????? do you pay any attention james? i LIVE ON A LAKE!! it is in my back yard. nothing turned me.. you need to grow up.. yes i know.. cough cough... ahh.. you know best. i keep forgetting. BORED NOW>>>>>>>> beth and her cute little fuzzbutts, :) http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/bethsabsolutely http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/thatcatsurehaslong http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/Cutessa http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/NewBunnyloveselvis (this is the pics of amber's progress..) http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/browse/84f3 james, mine are not in cages. they are free!! in their own rooms. and they all get as much time as each of them wants with me everyday! some rabbits don't even want to leave their condos when you leave it open all the time. pj had to be made to get out. what kind or prison is that. my guess , is i spend way more time with my seventeen then you do with yours.. beth and her cute little fuzzbutts, :) http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/bethsabsolutely http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/thatcatsurehaslong http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/Cutessa http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/NewBunnyloveselvis (this is the pics of amber's progress..) http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/browse/84f3 > james, mine are not in cages. they are free!! in their own rooms. and > they all get as much time as each of them wants with me everyday! some [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > beth and her cute little fuzzbutts, :) Before I forget, do you buy your veges wholesale? I'm sure they must go through boxes at a time. How many people can afford to give every rabbit his or her own room? Most people don't even have 17 rooms to start with. You must be a multimillionaire. What is truly amazing is that some of your buns prefer to stay in their condos. Mine spend almost no time in the hutch. But then their choices are between the hutch and the fresh juicy vegetation, running, playing and digging in real soil. They only go in the hutch because I put their pellets in there. They feel perfectly safe stretched out in the open. Of course if a bird or plane fly by overhead they would dart off into the bushes. The first time I let Butterball out in the yard took 5 minutes for him to work up the nerve to get out. It's possible you spend more time in total with your bunnies but you would have to spend all your wake hours with your bunnies if you spend as much time with each individually. The bunnies live in bonded groups - not 17 different rooms - and I'm sure they get more time with her and feel more connected then your buns ever will. Stephanie > > james, mine are not in cages. they are free!! in their own rooms. and > > they all get as much time as each of them wants with me everyday! some [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > would have to spend all your wake hours with your bunnies if you spend > as much time with each individually. steph. you know it girl. i know each poopie, each breath any of them take. if it is different in any way i notice now!! even though they don't have "Real" dirt to dig in. (even though, till last year they had their own diggie pit in my yard in cal. how do they manage to exist such sad existence. woe is me............. imagine. no fear of birds flying over their heads to make them run and hide? how do they manage that one? just safe. no fear existance.. with undying love..... beth and her cute little fuzzbutts, :) http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/bethsabsolutely http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/thatcatsurehaslong http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/Cutessa http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/NewBunnyloveselvis (this is the pics of amber's progress..) http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/browse/84f3 james, why are you assuming everything is individual? i have bonded pairs, the only need one room. i have to sets of rabbits in much larger groupings. it is not hard to have room for them without being rich. i only have a three bedroom house. have you ever heard of petting and spending time with more than one bun at a time? i have two or three that will group for pettings etc. it is not that complicated. i have planned times i visit with them EVERY day! three times a day. then the random visits. each bun that wants it gets no less than an hour with me per day. some days more. you are over thinking this. i buy cases of veggies at the farmers market. for around $25 more or less a week.. beth and her cute little fuzzbutts, :) http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/bethsabsolutely http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/thatcatsurehaslong http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/Cutessa http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/NewBunnyloveselvis (this is the pics of amber's progress..) http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/browse/84f3 Oh - I have every confidence in the rescue - it's where I got Pepper and they are wonderful. > If you plan on finding him another home in the event things don't work > out, BE VERY CAREFUL! With both Raz and Mowgli (we think that's his [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - Signature------------------------------------------------------ Wendy Z Chicago, IL (Moo) Wench Wear Costumes http://pages.ripco.net/~zski Wench #525 AIM=wendylady525 http://www.livejournal.com/users/wendyzski/ "Though she be but little, she is fierce" "It's the little ones you have to watch out for..." "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" -------------------------------------------------------- > Two big events today - I put them in each other's cages for a couple of > hours this morning, and this evening was the first official attempt at a [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" > -------------------------------------------------------- Maybe yours are like mine and would rather eat than fight. When they get pellets in a large bowl, the aggressive one would chase the other off without moving away from the feed bowl. didn't you say he was not neutered yet? you need to take your time doing this. there is no rush. and if they keep fighting . they will not ever like each other. kitky hated spock the rest of his short precious life. they were twins.. beth and her cute little fuzzbutts, :) http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/bethsabsolutely http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/thatcatsurehaslong http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/Cutessa http://community.webtv.net/jerseybunny/NewBunnyloveselvis (this is the pics of amber's progress..) http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/browse/84f3 He's been neutered for 4-6 months. I'm committed to 3-4 weeks but I know it may not work. He's so funny and frisky that I know he'll get adopted if things don;t work out here -but I want to give them every chance. > didn't you say he was not neutered yet? you need to take your time doing > this. there is no rush. and if they keep fighting . they will not ever [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/blacksalveandpetswithcancer/photos/browse/84f3 Signature------------------------------------------------------ Wendy Z Chicago, IL (Moo) Wench Wear Costumes http://pages.ripco.net/~zski Wench #525 AIM=wendylady525 http://www.livejournal.com/users/wendyzski/ "Though she be but little, she is fierce" "It's the little ones you have to watch out for..." "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" -------------------------------------------------------- > He's been neutered for 4-6 months. > I'm committed to 3-4 weeks but I know it may not work. He's so funny > and frisky that I know he'll get adopted if things don;t work out here > -but I want to give them every chance. He is neutered and still pee like a sprinkler or am I confusing him with another? I think it's like water ballet when boys spray. They used to just sprinkle but now their aim has improved so they can pretty much hit what they want. > He is neutered and still pee like a sprinkler or am I confusing him > with another? Yep. Another argument for neutering early! Signature------------------------------------------------------ Wendy Z Chicago, IL (Moo) Wench Wear Costumes http://pages.ripco.net/~zski Wench #525 AIM=wendylady525 http://www.livejournal.com/users/wendyzski/ "Though she be but little, she is fierce" "It's the little ones you have to watch out for..." "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" -------------------------------------------------------- Are their cages right next to eachother? It's important they are in contact all the time. When you let them out, use a wirefence and put their foodbowls on each side of it. That way they have to eat real close together, without being able to fight. Good luck! Els > Two big events today - I put them in each other's cages for a couple of > hours this morning, and this evening was the first official attempt at a [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > be easy, and I'm committed to at least 3-4 weeks. But oh I wish they'd > just get along. She charges the fence and tried to bite him thru the wire, so I put up cardboard as a shield. there are little gaps that they use to spy/spray on each other. > Are their cages right next to eachother? It's important they are in contact > all the time. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> be easy, and I'm committed to at least 3-4 weeks. But oh I wish they'd >> just get along. Signature------------------------------------------------------ Wendy Z Chicago, IL (Moo) Wench Wear Costumes http://pages.ripco.net/~zski Wench #525 AIM=wendylady525 http://www.livejournal.com/users/wendyzski/ "Though she be but little, she is fierce" "It's the little ones you have to watch out for..." "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" -------------------------------------------------------- |
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