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Pet Forum / Mammals / Rabbits / March 2007One week so far - Pepper & Frisco
Sigh. One step forward and one step back. For two days now they've been interacting though double bars - close enough to see/spray but not to bite. Things were going well - Pepper spent a lot of time laying like a little sphynx next to the bars, and last night she even did a FLOP right up against the fence. I've never seen her flop before. So tonight after dinner I took down the second row of fence to see if they would groom or otherwise interact thru it. In a word - no. Pepper again charged the fence, grabbing it in her teeth and shoving it forward about 6". She boxed at it, and tried to bite poor little Frisco on the nose at least twice. Good thing he is a fast little bugger. All right - I know when I'm licked. I turned it into a 15-minute session in each other's enclosures while I put the 2nd barrier back up and then after a treat next to the fence for each one I'm calling it a night. So tomorrow I'll try as neutral a territory as I can come up with - the downstairs lobby of my apartment building. It has a tile floor and should smell like a wide variety of people and pets. I know that the car-ride thing is supposed to be a good trick to get them to cuddle, but with Pepper being SOOOO aggressive I'm afraid to try and put them into the same carrier.  Signature------------------------------------------------------ Wendy Z Chicago, IL (Moo) Wench Wear Costumes http://pages.ripco.net/~zski Wench #525 AIM=wendylady525 http://www.livejournal.com/users/wendyzski/ "Though she be but little, she is fierce" "It's the little ones you have to watch out for..." "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" -------------------------------------------------------- > I know that the car-ride thing is supposed to be a good trick to get > them to cuddle, but with Pepper being SOOOO aggressive I'm afraid to try > and put them into the same carrier. > -- I would only do this if you have someone to drive so you can be there to seperate them. With Fuzzy and Raz I had a method I had to follow for it not to end in a brawl - we would put Raz in a carrier (or a large Rubbermaid container with no lid) and my mom would start driving. When we got on to the really windy road I would place Fuzzy in next to him and start petting them both - when they seemed relaxed I would take my hand away (always ready to reach in at any second) usually at this point Fuzzy would stretch and curve around Raz who would sit there looking unhappy, then he would nip and she would ignore him . . . but then when he least expected it she would start grooming him and sneak in a good nip when he didn't return the favor. Then I usually had to seperate them . . . she was always in love with him and he never grew fond of her. :( We had more ideas to try, but she passed away before we got to them. I have a yahoo group you might like to join - the information there is really valuable. I even had one woman call me to talk over everything I had tried and to make her suggestions. If you would like an invite email me privately and I will send it to you. Stephanie > > I know that the car-ride thing is supposed to be a good trick to get > > them to cuddle, but with Pepper being SOOOO aggressive I'm afraid to try [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Stephanie I'd hold hard on Yahoo groups for a couple of days if I was you with their multiple mailings problems. They are a nightmare. Ros Well, that wasn't tooo awful.... Tonight since the weather was decent I decided on the building's back porch for tonight's session. It probably smells like trash and pigeon poop, and CERTAINLY not like home. The pen I am using at its largest is twice the size of a bathtub, and when I sit cross-legged on a meditation cushion there is a crescent-shaped space they can use to interact but no where I cannot reach them. I brought out a plate of veggies (cut small) and set it between them. At the beginning there was a LOT of aggression on both sides. I think Frisco is starting to really be afraid of her, and she still startles easily, especially when stressed. I had to pull apart a couple of major clinches, including one where I couldn't get him to let go of her lef-fur for what seemed like forever, and another where I actually pulled him off the ground, hanging by his teeth from my glove, eyes squeezed shut and all four feets a'kicking. After about 10 minutes they settled down to studiously ignoring each other from opposite sides of the pen. For a while they were actually alternating ooching up to the plate and grabbing a piece of veggie before backing off. Frisco did a couple of drive-by sprayings, but then spent quite a bit of time hiding behind my leg, sticking his head out to chin the occasional piece of broccoli. Pepper just sat and munched, between bouts of trying to figure out how to get out of the pen. After half an hour or so, I folded the pen in a bit smaller to try and get them to interact. He came up to her face and sniffed her several times, but only for a split second before jumping back. She pretty much either ignored him or gave him the bunny-butt. Then we got to sitting about a foot apart and grooming - including a terribly cute simultaneous face-washing episode. We had been out there for around 45 minutes, I was getting kind of cold, and I figured that this was about as close to "ending on a positive note" as I was likely to get, so everyone came back inside and got a small handful of cilantro on their respective sides of the fence. Whew! It could have been better, but it could have been a hell of a lot worse. ------------------------------------------------------ Wendy Z Chicago, IL (Moo) Wench Wear Costumes http://pages.ripco.net/~zski Wench #525 AIM=wendylady525 http://www.livejournal.com/users/wendyzski/ "Though she be but little, she is fierce" "It's the little ones you have to watch out for..." "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" -------------------------------------------------------- > Well, that wasn't tooo awful.... > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" > -------------------------------------------------------- Way to go! Doesn't it really feel great? Ignoring is very good Wendy. Sounds like a good session. Keep up the good work! SignatureGod Bless, Arlette, Cocoa & Brownie in heaven (See us here) http://photos.yahoo.com/cocoa3c Need a vet? Click here <http://www.rabbitvet.net> For Cocoa's body sling vids Click here <http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=cocoa3c> > Well, that wasn't tooo awful.... > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > "I'm not short - I'm concentrated" > -------------------------------------------------------- Well that sounds quite promising to me. Yes, a bad start, but they did give up trying to kill each other and washing in unison sounds good. Even though it's cold, it sounds like you've found a good, neutral spot for the into sessions. Ros and the Varmints I hate to say it, but the HRS chapter where I got Max said to let the buns just see each other for a couple months before introductions. Maybe your rabbits are just going to need to take the slow road. Sue, Flurry, & max > Sigh. One step forward and one step back. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > to cuddle, but with Pepper being SOOOO aggressive I'm afraid to try and > put them into the same carrier. |
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