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Pet Forum / Mammals / Rabbits / August 2008The Tables Have Turned
Seems a little fawn colored pugglenamed Roscoe is now scared of the big white bunny! We've been aloowing Roscoe in the living room when Louise is out. We got him a shock collar, an electric fence, that comes with a remote control so if he starts to misbehave, we zap him. He got zapped once or twice and now he runs out of the room if Louise comes near him. I think she is enjoying it. She charged him and he went running out of the room with his tail between his legs. And when she jumped on his couch he wents nuts barking at her and she just glared at him. I think she was purposely messing with him because she's getting a kick out of it. Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) Careful! Professor, The Jump, Zolo, Wizard, & Magic Brenda >Seems a little fawn colored pugglenamed Roscoe is now scared of the >big white bunny! We've been aloowing Roscoe in the living room when [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) > I agree, don't make Roscoe hate Louise, or he will get his own back someday, Els > Careful! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >>Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) HI Lisa, Yes, Roscoe may graudally thinks Louise make him have a zap etc...and the situation may turn worse later, scared Roscoe may ruin the case You may try seperate them for a few weeks first and step by step let them seeing each other for 10 mins per day, 30 mins per day or 1 hour per day.... My friend uses a spray collar for one of her dog when the naughty one bark crazily with little noise outside at the middle of the night, (like after 1am to 6am) and they cannot stop him at once as they are sleeping.. They need to move house, no matter rent or buy the house, if neighbour make complain at the 3rd time here....sigh.... She had trained her dogs for good walking or all actions and behaviour, she took courses from different trainers in Vancouver and HK She bonded her dogs to live together step by step, since one of her dog has been treated badly before from the previous owner, and she will bite human or other animal seriously suddenly... She let them seeing each other with fence 10 mis per day or 30 mins...graudally increasing the time and take away the fence, and give treats to her dogs if they behave well... Now they can live happily together and the big one will protect those small onces as well.... Is your shock collar spray one, or vibration one or electronic one? or it is a chock one? For me, I may use the electronic one for emergency, like the dog starts to attack and kill the rabbit... Hope your bonding will be a success one, you may need to think different and more other ways. Petrina :> "Elsewhere" <eavdveenpleasenospam@planet.nl> ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó·s»D:48b46227$0$6017$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl... >I agree, don't make Roscoe hate Louise, or he will get his own back >someday, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>> >>>Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) >Is your shock collar spray one, or vibration one or electronic one? or it is >a chock one? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Petrina :> It's electronic. We've been very careful about allowing the puppy in the room with the rabbits. He's not allowed in there during the day or at night and we keep the living room blocked off when the buns are out unless we are all in the living room to supervise. One adult to watch Louise and one adult to watch the puppy. i wouldn't even attmept any other bun out with him, because I am afraid hershey would just get too stressed, Sharkey would just get mad and Boo Boo may attack Roscoe. I just can't risk it. Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) > >Is your shock collar spray one, or vibration one or electronic one? or it is > >a chock one? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) Wait a minute.. i remember Dave now... didnt he have minnie (bunny) years ago???? ML Hi Lisa, just try your best. I think step by step by carefully monitoring and controlling, they may live with together happily later... I will try to ask any idea from my sis about training her dogs this two days, and see if it will be helpful for you to have reference... Take care, Petrina "Lisa" <pinktrixrabbit2@sbcglobal.net> ???????:2l7bb4534gkpj2gcnq93lsurhnq7d4qb9f@4ax.com... >>Is your shock collar spray one, or vibration one or electronic one? or it >>is [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) >I agree, don't make Roscoe hate Louise, or he will get his own back someday, >Els Yes we are being very careful. Last night Rsocoe was in the living room laying on the couch and he just kinda watched Louise as she ran around and did her thing. No dog or bun got excited at all. I think the thing that really got his goat the other night was her on his couch. And he is never, ever allowed in the living room by himself if a bun is out. I kiddie gate it off. I even put the kiddie gate up at night so he can't go pester while they are sleeping. Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) > We got him a shock collar, an electric fence, that > comes with a remote control so if he starts to misbehave, we zap him. How cruel. Why don't you learn how to properly train him, instead of lazily resorting to torture? I used to think well of you, but shock collars are utterly contemptible. You should be ashamed of yourself.  SignatureI kill all messages, and replies to messages, from Google Groups. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. many people in my neighborhood use them to keep the dogs from getting hit by cars. each person said they tried it on themselves first. it is not a big scary shock like you think..just a little zap. saves the dogs from getting hit.. i think they are great.... and i would never harm a dog.. > many people in my neighborhood use them to keep the dogs from getting > hit by cars. each person said they tried it on themselves first. it is > not a big scary shock like you think..just a little zap. saves the dogs > from getting hit.. i think they are great.... and i would never harm a > dog.. Lazy people who won't train and control their dogs. Beneath contempt. SignatureI kill all messages, and replies to messages, from Google Groups. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. >> many people in my neighborhood use them to keep the dogs from getting >> hit by cars. each person said they tried it on themselves first. it is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Beneath contempt. Dave, you are entitled to your opinion. I find that I am neither lazy or cruel. The collar isn't meant to shock them in total pain. You adjust it high enough to get their attention. I have a 4 year old who is a great, well behaved child, however he is just that, a child. The puppy can easily escape from the house when my son enters or leaves it. The electronic fence is my safety net. I never want to have to explain to my child that the dog was hit by a car because he (my son) accidently let him out of the house. Gee what would be crueler, having that weigh on a child, or a little electronic zap. Same with using it as a training tool around my other animals. No one gets hurt. You call it lazy and cruel. I call it smart and safe. Its far less cruel than locking the dog up in the house when we are home, or leaving it on a leash in the yard when it can enjoy roaming freely on our large lot. Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) >>> many people in my neighborhood use them to keep the dogs from getting >>> hit by cars. each person said they tried it on themselves first. it is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >>Lazy people who won't train and control their dogs. Or God forbid, my son chases his loose puppy out into the road to save him. I'll take your "lazy & cruel" method to avoid a tragedy. Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) > >>> many people in my neighborhood use them to keep the dogs from getting > >>> hit by cars. each person said they tried it on themselves first. it is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Or God forbid, my son chases his loose puppy out into the road to save > him. I'll take your "lazy & cruel" method to avoid a tragedy. Why is any dog running loose? Because of irresponsible dog owners. I'm done with you. SignatureI kill all messages, and replies to messages, from Google Groups. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > >> many people in my neighborhood use them to keep the dogs from getting > >> hit by cars. each person said they tried it on themselves first. it is [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > leaving it on a leash in the yard when it can enjoy roaming freely on > our large lot. I've known dogs who were property line trained years before shock collars became the latest fad for people who were "too busy" to actually train theirs. Talk to any good dog trainer. None of them worth their salt will use shock collars. Are you going to use one on your 4 year old? Why not? You could just adjust it high enough to get his attention, after all. You're lazy and cruel. SignatureI kill all messages, and replies to messages, from Google Groups. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. On Aug 26, 6:29 pm, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote: > In article <4rl8b4lklkug8isbus28un4sds0vbr0...@4ax.com>, pinktrixrabbit > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > I kill all messages, and replies to messages, from Google Groups. Seehttp://improve-usenet.orgfor details. Wow! No need to be cruel yourself. Personal attacks if you must, should be sent ' personal' And not for all to see. But since you made this public, whether I believe in zappers or not; I would never say such mean and hurtful things. Even if I don't agree with something, everyone has their reasons for doing what they do. I've known Lisa for a long time now, she is neither lazy nor cruel. ML ML ( and please, I give you permission to spam me.). In article <a3d7f82d-f312-4b65-adbc-3d6db1f7c61e@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > On Aug 26, 6:29 pm, Dave Balderstone > <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > reasons for doing what they do. I've known Lisa for a long time now, > she is neither lazy nor cruel. She made it public, and I'll reply in public to public confessions of torturing animals. Apparently she finds it amusing to shock the dog so that it's afraid of the rabbit. Hardee-har-har. How very, very funny. It's cruel and despicable. If she's zapping a dog rather than actually train it PROPERLY, which unfortunately requires EFFORT, then she's cruel and lazy. She won't make the effort to train the dog humanely, she would rather use a remote control, like the animal is an appliance and she's changing the channel without getting up off the couch. And she LAUGHS about it! It's disgusting. SignatureI kill all messages, and replies to messages, from Google Groups. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. >Seems a little fawn colored pugglenamed Roscoe is now scared of the >big white bunny! We've been aloowing Roscoe in the living room when [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >It's disgusting. Wow Dave, you are truly an amazing human being. You know that I was laughing while writing that email. What a remarkable ability. Are you one of those remote viewers? You must have seen us all laugh while we shocked the dog. Or did you hear that in the internet post too? You are awesome! Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) >Wow! No need to be cruel yourself. Personal attacks if you must, >should be sent ' personal' [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >ML ( and please, I give you permission to spam me.). Thanks Marylee. I'm not surprised in the slightest by Dave's response. It's his MO. His world is black & white. You either agree with Dave or you're wrong. He has no tolerance of people with opinions that differ from his own and he feels perfectly justified in attacking such people. After all, he's right, their wrong. He's done it to others here. He attacked Nona when he first started posting. Perfect Dave, in his perfect world, with his perfect answers to all our problems. Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) Actually, from what I've read of multipet households, the bunnies are the boss and will boss the dogs and cats around. When I took Cocoa home a few years back, our curious cat soon became quite scared of Cocoa when he charged at him. Soon the cat wouldn't come into the livingroom when Cocoa was there. LOL SignatureGod Bless, Arlette, Cocoa & Brownie in heaven (See us here) http://www.flickr.com/photos/11393346@N02/ Need a vet? Click here <http://www.rabbitvet.net> For Cocoa's body sling vids Click here <http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=cocoa3c> A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal, But even the compassion of the wicked is cruel. Proverbs 12:10 I really don't like the use of electronic collars at all but if someone didn't have a fence it may stop the dog from running in the street; but you are still electric schocking your puppy; i am very surprised how amused you are at zapping him re the bunnie, don't you realise he will associate this with the bun; please get advice from your vet before this becomes another sad stort; if you think i am being hard on you it's just because i care about you and your buns; and that poor dog, it's like a form of abuse sorry but i really do care. hugs deb and the buns > Seems a little fawn colored pugglenamed Roscoe is now scared of the > big white bunny! We've been aloowing Roscoe in the living room when [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) >I really don't like the use of electronic collars at all but if someone >didn't have a fence it may stop the dog from running in the street; but you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >but i really do care. >hugs deb and the buns I think you misunderstand my amusement. I am amused that Louise seems to enjoy the dog running from her. I am amused at her newfound sense of control. I am amused that the dog was jealous of the bun being on his couch. And it only took twice and now he leaves her alone or sniffs her and runs off. You can believe it is abuse, I see the collar and the fence as a legitmate means ofkeeping my dog and buns safe. However to avoid any further controversy, I will no longer post about my puppy with the buns or the fence. Lisa, Hershey, Boo Boo, Louise & Sharkey (Thelma, Wendy & Cartman FTB) |
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