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rats and my depression

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CRoz - 28 Jul 2004 14:57 GMT
I have suffered from a mental illness for many years now mainly
resulting in depression. since i have had my five babies (not so baby
anymore) they have helped me keep going everyday and i wonder where i
would be with out them. apart from my husband they are the best thing
that has happened to me.

I have five females who seem reluctant to training and are very naughty.
but there mischief makes them even more adorable. They eat my shoes and
coats and allsorts. even the remote controls. you just have to keep
watching them.
paghat - 28 Jul 2004 15:28 GMT
> I have suffered from a mental illness for many years now mainly
> resulting in depression. since i have had my five babies (not so baby
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> coats and allsorts. even the remote controls. you just have to keep
> watching them.

Rat lovers sometimes get angry when it is noted that many who keep rats
suffer from depression or mental illnesses & need or are on
psychotropics.  It's just the way it is, though, & I find it rather
interesting that rat-lovers tend to be (in order of percentages) children,
moms, & the mad.

The downside of having rats to help scatter the dark cloud of merely
existing is they have such short lives. A particularly intense bond with
an extra loving & intelligent rat who stands above all other rats must
devolve into the sweet thing fading into illness then death all too soon.
For someone already on the edge of deep depressions, this recurring
tragedy can mean the blessing of rats becomes the sneakiest way yet the
Cosmos has found to savage one's emotions.

I hope you're braced for that, & perhaps have rats of differing ages so
that tragedy isn't bunched up all at once.

-paghat the ratgirl

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Mark Thompson - 28 Jul 2004 18:28 GMT
> interesting that rat-lovers tend to be (in order of percentages)
> children, moms, & the mad.

Hmm, well I'm not a child, nor a mum.... Oh :-(
Kate - 28 Jul 2004 23:43 GMT
Methinks I fit all 3 categories...:))
> > interesting that rat-lovers tend to be (in order of percentages)
> > children, moms, & the mad.
>
> Hmm, well I'm not a child, nor a mum.... Oh :-(
Geezer - 28 Jul 2004 20:13 GMT
It does make me wonder when I go to this and other rat forums and find out
it is mostly women who love rats. Not that I'm complaining, (who knows, the
future Mrs Geezer might very well be out there, heh heh), but I thought for
sure pet rats would be a guy thing. Surprise surprise.

I was unaware of the depression link though. I don't think I'm depressed,
though I probably should be, heh heh. And it's a valid warning regarding the
depressing effects of the inevidable passing on of all rats. I haven't lost
one yet, but even though it will be no big deal to anyone who asks, in
reality I'll probably sob and blubber like a two-year-old when my first one
goes. Sounds like a morbid thing to say, but I intend to have a private
pet-cemetary somewhere out in the woods, and the bigger the better. Every
rodent I bury there will represent an intelligent lifeform  I saved from a
less savory fate and one that had lotsa fun in the home I gave it, until
he/she made room for another. That's how I plan to look at it
anyaways...Sometimes the most obviously beautiful things are hidden under
the ugly paint-jobs our minds apply to them.

As for training them, good luck. Your relationship with your girls will
improve greatly after they've gotten you reasonably well-trained. .You'll
see. Hint: If part of your taining involves them being held in your hands,
that's not going to happen, at least not with girls - you shouldn't force
them to stay in your hand, only pick them up when you're going to put them
somewhere, not to keep them in your hands...all that squirming is because
they hate it. ;o) They learn your hands are more than a prison soon enough,
and will hop on more often that not when you hold out your hand...but
usually so they can run up to your shoulder.

Geezer

> > I have suffered from a mental illness for many years now mainly
> > resulting in depression. since i have had my five babies (not so baby
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>
> -paghat the ratgirl
Dave Ryman - 29 Jul 2004 00:44 GMT
> It does make me wonder when I go to this and other rat forums and find
> out it is mostly women who love rats. Not that I'm complaining, (who
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>> -paghat the ratgirl

My guess would be that the intelligence of rats coupled with the
relatively easy care of the little creatures is the magic combination
that makes them ideally suited to someone with depression. There is no
point keeping something as dumb as a gerbil if you're looking for
therapeutic advantages, and no way you can handle something as big as a
dog with severe depression (ie: Walkies, grooming etc...). It's therefore
quite possible that sufferers of depression choose rats either
subconciously or deliberately in preference to other pets, rather than
the rats themselves going over the rainbow-bridge-thing causing people to
get depressed.

BTW, "Children, Mothers and the Mad" - I'm not sure if "Mad" is the right
word. I understood that "mad" is a label from the olden-days when the
mentally ill were simply split into the Psychotics and the Melancholics,
and that "mad" refers to the "Psychotics". Since sufferers of Clinical
depression would have fitted into the "Melancholic" camp, it's not
entirely accurate to describe someone with Clinical Depression as being
"mad". So there.

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Tania - 28 Jul 2004 23:01 GMT
I am pleased to hear that your ratties bring you so much comfort :o)

When I am feeling down there is nothing I love more than laying on the
lounge floor letting my babies run all over me and the feel of their soft
fur melts away my sadness!
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> I have suffered from a mental illness for many years now mainly
> resulting in depression. since i have had my five babies (not so baby
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> coats and allsorts. even the remote controls. you just have to keep
> watching them.
the Strauss Guy - 29 Jul 2004 03:23 GMT
I too suffer from clinical depression.  While my wife is very
supportive of me, I found that interacting with the rats lifted my
spirits greatly.  I think part of it may have to do with showing
compassion to these creatures (and I can't help thinking that rat
owners are some of the most compassionate people around).  I dunno.
There's just something very therapeutic about having pet rats.

the straussGuy

> I have suffered from a mental illness for many years now mainly
> resulting in depression. since i have had my five babies (not so baby
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> coats and allsorts. even the remote controls. you just have to keep
> watching them.
Tracey - 29 Jul 2004 10:43 GMT
> I have suffered from a mental illness for many years now mainly
> resulting in depression. since i have had my five babies (not so baby
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> coats and allsorts. even the remote controls. you just have to keep
> watching them.

Another one here that suffers from depression!   Several years ago I had a
really bad bout, and I can honestly say it was probably my rats that kept me
going.  I find that animals do have an amazing therapeutic effect.  Whenever
I'm feeling low they always manage to put a smile on my face, be it by
watching their whappy antics or by them offering simple comfort and love -
how can you not help but smile when they jump onto our laps for a cuddle and
give us a bit of a lick and groom or snuggle into our necks and fall asleep.

Tracey
 
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