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Spaying/Neutering Ugh!

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Meghan - 24 Sep 2004 21:27 GMT
Some people have asked me what I have decided to do about spaying Maggie
and/or neutering the boys.

I live in a remote area, and there is a local vet here, but I don't like her
at all, and I believe she has a strong prejudice against rodents.  She may
be technically competant, and is willing to do the surgery, but still...

Unfortunately she is the only vet within 100 miles who is even willing to
spay or neuter any rat.

So I called the vet where we used to live (4 hours away) and they will
happily do either surgery, for the price of $204 US for a spay and $189 for
each neuter.  The local vet here only charges $60 US for neutering.

I have literally just put the decision off.  The boys will be 8 weeks old
next Tuesday and I have to decide what to do.  My husband is still reminding
me that I have spent $170 US on my Martin's cage and accessories.  I love my
rats and would never want to value money over their health, but I just don't
know what to do.

I am afraid that if I spay Maggie and do not neuter the boys, they will be
chasing after her non-stop.  I am afraid that if I let the vet I don't like
neuter the boys, something may go wrong.  I am afraid that if I go back to
my old home town and have them do it, I will go broke!

Suggestions?
Meghan
Jai - 24 Sep 2004 22:10 GMT
I would just get another female rat for company and go with boys and girls
cages.  If this isn't an option, I would opt for neutering the males...a
much simpler and less invasive operation compared to the female version.

Good luck!
Jaimie
Mom to the M*A*S*H ratties: Margaret, Radar, Rosie and Sophie

> Some people have asked me what I have decided to do about spaying Maggie
> and/or neutering the boys.
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> Suggestions?
> Meghan
Meghan - 25 Sep 2004 00:32 GMT
I guess the "two cages" isn't an option because the cage Maggie is in (the
one she came with) is very small - less than half the size of the Martin's
695.  The boys have a palace and the girls cage would be a prison.  I got
the biggest cage I could afford due to the advice of this group (always go
bigger) but didn't count on taking in a needy female in addition to my boys
from the breeder.

Meghan

> I would just get another female rat for company and go with boys and girls
> cages.  If this isn't an option, I would opt for neutering the males...a
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J&S Bouchard - 25 Sep 2004 05:47 GMT
> Some people have asked me what I have decided to do about spaying Maggie
> and/or neutering the boys.
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> Suggestions?
> Meghan

That is a dilemma!
Some vets charge more because they do more in regards to procedure: warm
plate, antibiotic shot, pain meds, oxygen etc...
I would be worried about the $60 vet.
All surgeries are risky, spaying is more invasive than neutering but Maggie
gains more benefit from the spaying.
It's a hard decision indeed...
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Glass Dragon - 25 Sep 2004 13:36 GMT
Why don't you try networking yourself a new used cage? Thru the vet's,
animal supply store, newspaper. It would  be cheaper, than neutering any
of the rats. Somewhere out there there is a person who has a cage you
could use.
elegy - 25 Sep 2004 06:09 GMT
>Some people have asked me what I have decided to do about spaying Maggie
>and/or neutering the boys.
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>neuter the boys, something may go wrong.  I am afraid that if I go back to
>my old home town and have them do it, I will go broke!

where are you located? maybe somebody knows of a vet.

$200 for a spay and $189 for a neuter are ridiculous, imho! geez. i've
paid $90 and $115 for neuters. suzie's spay last week was $112.

you could also consider the option of splitting the 695 into two
separate sections by sealing off the middle floor. both halves would
comfortably house two rats. i'd wire the ramp opening shut somehow and
put tile down, or something to that effect. i did it once to separate
two boys in a 690 who were fighting and it worked great until i could
get the one neutered.

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Meghan - 25 Sep 2004 14:17 GMT
I really have thought of this option - splitting the 695 in two.  It's
certainly big enough.  I wasn't sure if this would be "torture" for them
because Maggie is *dying* to get together with the boys, and being that
close without being able to touch them... I wan't sure if that would be
cruel or not.

Meghan

> >Some people have asked me what I have decided to do about spaying Maggie
> >and/or neutering the boys.
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Jai - 25 Sep 2004 17:42 GMT
But then you would have room for another female.  :)

Jaimie
Mom to the M*A*S*H ratties: Margaret, Radar, Rosie and Sophie

> I really have thought of this option - splitting the 695 in two.  It's
> certainly big enough.  I wasn't sure if this would be "torture" for them
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> Meghan
elegy - 26 Sep 2004 05:42 GMT
yep, exactly.

>But then you would have room for another female.  :)
>
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>> Meghan

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Scot McDermid - 26 Sep 2004 00:33 GMT
> I really have thought of this option - splitting the 695 in two.  It's
> certainly big enough.  I wasn't sure if this would be "torture" for them
> because Maggie is *dying* to get together with the boys, and being that
> close without being able to touch them... I wan't sure if that would be
> cruel or not.

If I recall correctly, rats can mate successfully between cages if the
two cages are close enough.  (I might be getting rats mixed up with
some other type of critter but... if you don't want pregnant rats.... well
think about it.)
Janine - 26 Sep 2004 16:50 GMT
Where are you located? I know I have quite a few spare cages people have
given me so maybe someone in your area has spares & could help.  We have a
public e-mail at work where people list things for sale.  I don't know if
you have that but it's an idea.   I sympathize.  I finally had Roscoe
neutered due to aggression.  I was able to buy 2 cages and keep them very
far apart.  The girls cage isn't as big as I'd like but they have their own
table they run around on during out time.   I wouldn't go with the $60 vet.
But it sure is costly to have the other do it.  Roscoe was $75.  And I am
always spending money on the little rascals so I know how it is to be broke.
They eat better than I do.
 Janine, mom to 4 boy and 14 girl rat babies, 3 parakeets, and 2 cockatiels
(whew)

> > I really have thought of this option - splitting the 695 in two.  It's
> > certainly big enough.  I wasn't sure if this would be "torture" for them
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> some other type of critter but... if you don't want pregnant rats.... well
> think about it.)
Meghan - 27 Sep 2004 04:20 GMT
I am in northern, northern New Hampshire up by Canada.  If anyone can
recommend any good rodent vet within 100 miles I would be VERY grateful!!  I
have considered going to Montreal but I'm not sure what the border crossing
issues are with ratties.

Thanks,
Meghan

> Where are you located? I know I have quite a few spare cages people have
> given me so maybe someone in your area has spares & could help.  We have a
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> > some other type of critter but... if you don't want pregnant rats.... well
> > think about it.)
Mariette - 27 Sep 2004 05:46 GMT
>I am in northern, northern New Hampshire up by Canada.  If anyone can
>recommend any good rodent vet within 100 miles I would be VERY grateful!!  I
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>Thanks,
>Meghan

Nothing listed here for New Hampshire, unfortunately, but there is a
good recommendation for one in Fryeburg, Maine, which may be close
enough to you (?), and several more in Maine and Vermont who are
probably a bit too far away.  There's also one listed for Montreal
(see the state/country drop-down box):

http://www.rmca.org/Resources/vets.htm  

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Kelly - 28 Sep 2004 02:47 GMT
Meghan,

I live in Ontario Canada.  I work at a vet clinic that is fairly good with
rodents, we've certainly done neutering and we also are one of the only
laser surgery facilities in the southern Ontario region

I also know of one in Oakville (south of Toronto 30 kms), and there is a
very good rodent vet in Toronto itself that the rat breeder I know
recommended

Kelly

.  You certainly don't need to go as far as Montreal.
>I am in northern, northern New Hampshire up by Canada.  If anyone can
> recommend any good rodent vet within 100 miles I would be VERY grateful!!
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> well
>> > think about it.)
 
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