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Pet Forum / Mammals / Rats / October 2004Multi-level cage
I went to a pet store today and the only one multi-level cage the have. I didn't buy it. Because I have a question to ask before I buy it. The cage I saw has a two ways to use- the 3 stories cage is attached to a 10 gallon tank. It says the tank can be removed and to add a bottom platform powder-coating to the cage. It looks neat for the rats. Does that sound ok? It looks roomy for the rats to run around. TJ http://community.webtv.net/TJMS68/Pictureoftherats >I went to a pet store today and the only one multi-level cage the have. > I didn't buy it. Because I have a question to ask before I buy it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/TJMS68/Pictureoftherats Do you remember the dimensions of the cage?  SignatureJoanne Mom to 11 rats http://community.webshots.com/user/joanneb70 The dimensions is 11"x20"x40" just like the Martin's The Rat Highrise (H-600HR). TJ http://community.webtv.net/TJMS68/Pictureoftherats > The dimensions is 11"x20"x40" just like the Martin's The Rat Highrise > (H-600HR). > TJ > > http://community.webtv.net/TJMS68/Pictureoftherats Length wise and width wise, it does sound way too small for two rats. :( The bigger the habitat, the happier your guys will be, the healthier they will be and also lessens the chances of aggression. Rats need their own space/territory. When they are small, this doesn't much matter but as they reach 5 months old, you will notice a change and a need to give them more room. SignatureJoanne Mom to 11 rats http://community.webshots.com/user/joanneb70 I see. Well, I'm not getting it anyway. It is not worth for 60.00. It should of been around 30.00. Because I saw one in Pet Supplies Plus that's much bigger, real big one that's cheaper than the other one. I almost bought it, but I noticed there is wire or mesh at the bottom of the cage. I do not like it, bec it'll make the bedding fall through it and even their food to fall through to the pan. I like the style of the multi level cage that's 3 story high as up to my chest. But for one thing I just don't like the bottom floor. I will keep on looking for on at the other pet stores. -TJ- > I see. Well, I'm not getting it anyway. It is not worth for 60.00. > It should of been around 30.00. Because I saw one in Pet Supplies [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -TJ- Look for "Critter cage" on google - There are websites around that sell 1, 2 and 3 floor cages on the internet - you can even get them on eBay. The Critter is a lower-budget copy of another cage (the name escapes me), which means that the metal is not to the same standard, but that the price is much more affordable. If someone can remind us of the "posh" brand, it may be worth you looking for one of those on eBay, too. For two rats, the single floor critter-1 would suffice, but the two-floor version Critter-2 (suprisingly named!) would make them really happy rats. The Critter-3 is really a Critter-1 and Critter-2 with one less floor and one less lid, but the combination made building the cage a little trickier than it could have been when we put one together. Each floor of these cages is fairly spacious, with a half-level half way up and ramps to join each level. it has a mesh floor on the bottom, which sits over a metal tray to catch any doings - which means that the rats don't have to walk in it! We found that the floors and ramps on our critter cage are much more secure with the addition of cable-ties to hold things in place more firmly. We also found the addition of some springs on the outside helped in keeping the join between 1-floor and 2-floor sections of the Critter-3 cage more rigid. We have a serious cage now - we have a five-floor cage (effectively a Critter-5) that we built from a combination of a Critter-3 and a Critter-2. Anyway, good luck in your search for a decent cage. SignatureRegards, Dave dave_ryman@hotmailNOSPAM.com http://welcome.to/daves.website http://travel.to/formula.one >> I see. Well, I'm not getting it anyway. It is not worth for 60.00. >> It should of been around 30.00. Because I saw one in Pet Supplies [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >the price is much more affordable. If someone can remind us of the >"posh" brand, it may be worth you looking for one of those on eBay, too. I wonder if you mean Fern Cages by the "posh" brand? http://www.ferncage.com (which redirects you, so I don't know if there actually strictly is a "Fern" brand cage anymore) Actually, I think Martin's offers a lot more variety and value for the quality now, and that Fern Cages were more popular in the past, before Martin's. And IIRC, not everything was powder-coated on those (as with the apparently plain galvanized shelves on the Multipurpose Habitat they show on the site above). Mariette >For two rats, the single floor critter-1 would suffice, but the >two-floor version Critter-2 (suprisingly named!) would make them really [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Anyway, good luck in your search for a decent cage. Signature(wabewawa61-at-earthlink-dot-net) >>Look for "Critter cage" on google - There are websites around that sell >>1, 2 and 3 floor cages on the internet - you can even get them on eBay. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >http://www.ferncage.com (which redirects you, so I don't know if there >actually strictly is a "Fern" brand cage anymore) Ah, doh. I was just suffering from some temporary (hopefully) reading impairment there. I now see that by the "posh" brand you meant what the Critter cages are a knock-off of (i.e., the Terenziani cages, as mentioned by others). I've read that the Critters can be really flimsy and sometimes need to be reinforced with spring latches or such? They certainly are really nice and roomy, though. Mariette Signature(wabewawa61-at-earthlink-dot-net) >Ah, doh. I was just suffering from some temporary (hopefully) reading >impairment there. I now see that by the "posh" brand you meant what [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >be reinforced with spring latches or such? They certainly are really >nice and roomy, though. Oy! I just re-re-read your original post and see that you mentioned that already too, having to use springs and cable ties on them! I beg everyone's pardon. Off to take a nap now, Mariette Signature<:3 )3~~ <:3 )3~~ <:3 )3~~ http://community.webshots.com/user/wabewawa (wabewawa61-at-earthlink-dot-net) > > I see. Well, I'm not getting it anyway. It is not worth for 60.00. > > It should of been around 30.00. Because I saw one in Pet Supplies [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Anyway, good luck in your search for a decent cage. Hiya, If I'm not mistaken the Critter cages are based on the Terenziani range. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't wire mesh flooring likely to cause bumblefoot in rats, so you should cover the mesh levels with lino or something similar...? Anyway hope that helps. Regards, Emmy >If I'm not mistaken the Critter cages are based on the Terenziani range. >And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't wire mesh flooring likely to cause >bumblefoot in rats, so you should cover the mesh levels with lino or >something similar...? nope. wire flooring does not cause bumblefoot. genetic predisposition, obesity, and dirty conditions are pretty much thought to be the cause now. but wire floors should be made from 1/2" x 1/2" flooring. 1/2" x 1" flooring is big enough for rat feet to slip through and get caught and break legs. --- petey was a pit bull. http://shattering.org > > I see. Well, I'm not getting it anyway. It is not worth for 60.00. > > It should of been around 30.00. Because I saw one in Pet Supplies [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > http://welcome.to/daves.website > http://travel.to/formula.one Do you mean Terenziani? I have one of these cages and with a little shopping around on the internet I found one at a very affordable price (for brand new cage), in fact they were cheaper than the critter copies! The site I got mine from is UK-based though http://www.b-js.co.uk/acatalog/Terenziani.html (I have three rats in the Terenziani Moore cage). Tracey Eh, can't get me to shut up today. :) Anyway, you sure don't want to do a U.S. eBay search for "critter cage," let me tell you. Nothing appropriate there at all (almost exclusively those plastic "Critter Trail" hamster cages). I think the original poster is U.S.-based, since the mention of "Pet Supplies Plus" (and being on webtv.net ... is that available in Europe too?). Mariette >> I see. Well, I'm not getting it anyway. It is not worth for 60.00. >> It should of been around 30.00. Because I saw one in Pet Supplies [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >Anyway, good luck in your search for a decent cage. Signature(wabewawa61-at-earthlink-dot-net) >I see. Well, I'm not getting it anyway. It is not worth for 60.00. It > should of been around 30.00. Because I saw one in Pet Supplies Plus [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -TJ- Sometimes the wire mesh at the bottom is easily removable. Also, as one mentioned here, it's not true that wire floors cause bumblefoot although some people still believe it to be true. Bumblefoot is actually pressure sores, so they can get that either on wire floors or hard plastic floors. Are you up to four rats now? They sure are adorable. Mariette has great links to rattie cage calculators to give you a good size cage to accommodate your lovely babies. :) SignatureJoanne Mom to 11 rats http://community.webshots.com/user/joanneb70 Yes, the 4th rat that we bought two days ago. My little boy begged me and wanted this one with a spot on his back and he thought it was cute. I told him one more and that's it. LOL He named him Biscuit. Biscuit is 5 weeks old. I told my son that he should of naming him Pooper. Because he keeps pooping on me- yes only me. LOL Before I decide to order the largest Martin's cage, do you know how much the shipping is? If any of you had ordered it through online before. Let me ask you, will a ferret cage work for the rats? The cage has 4 story. I called the pet store that's way out there about an hour away from my home. - TJ- > Yes, the 4th rat that we bought two days ago. My little boy begged me > and wanted this one with a spot on his back and he thought it was cute. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > - TJ- Ferret cages usually have bars too widely spaced to keep baby rats in, the wee critters can squeeze through and escape. For adult rats though, ferret cages are great - nice and roomy. I am going with male sized rats though, not too sure whether some of the smaller-framed adult females would be small enough to squeeze through the bars - maybe others who keep females can advise - I suspect they would be too big. Tracey > > Yes, the 4th rat that we bought two days ago. My little boy begged me > > and wanted this one with a spot on his back and he thought it was cute. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Tracey Wire spacing on ferret cages is quite variable. 1 inch is about the widest. My daughter's girls would be out through those in no time at all. Wild Norway rats are supposed to be able to negotiate 1/2-inch openings, though her pampered girls need more room than that. I think (but have no proof) that female rats are the way they are so that they can colonize new territory singlehanded: they get impregnated by their brothers and leave the nest already pregnant (rats have no incest taboo and are not much harmed by inbreeding); they are small and can get through tiny openings in barriers; they are exploratory enough to find promising nest sites quickly; and then they can set up a nest and repeat the cycle in a matter of weeks. SignatureIn California, where you can get ferret cages, ferret toys, and ferret food, but have to imagine the ferrets, Chris Green >Yes, the 4th rat that we bought two days ago. My little boy begged me >and wanted this one with a spot on his back and he thought it was cute. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >story. I called the pet store that's way out there about an hour away >from my home. yes, a ferret cage will work for rats. shipping from martins depends on where you are located. i believe their site lets you figure out the total cost without placing an order. you could also call them. they are marvelous marvelous people to deal with. you don't need the largest. a 695 would work marvelously for four rats and still not be so big as to make it hard to clean. --- petey was a pit bull. http://shattering.org I am not exactly sure what you are talking about is it a wire cage add-on for a aquarium, that if need be you could turn it into a two-story plain wire cage? Sara Turn into a plain 3 story wire cage, Sara. If not, it adds on to the tank (aquarium) to make it look like a 4 story the whole thing. -TJ- >I went to a pet store today and the only one multi-level cage the have. >I didn't buy it. Because I have a question to ask before I buy it. >The cage I saw has a two ways to use- the 3 stories cage is attached to >a 10 gallon tank. It says the tank can be removed and to add a bottom >platform powder-coating to the cage. It looks neat for the rats. Does >that sound ok? It looks roomy for the rats to run around. in my opinion, anything that hooks to a ten gallon aquarium is going to be too small. --- petey was a pit bull. http://shattering.org >I went to a pet store today and the only one multi-level cage the have. >I didn't buy it. Because I have a question to ask before I buy it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >http://community.webtv.net/TJMS68/Pictureoftherats Oh, did I just notice a new cutie in your bunch, are you up to four guys now with Biscuit? (looks like another GGMR'er in our midst <g>) Here are the cage calculators again for your benefit (all of which work just the same, generally on the basis of 2 cubic feet per rat), as you're going to really need to consider getting an even larger cage than I, for one, recommended before when I thought you had just three fuzzbutts: http://www.rattycorner.com/odds/calc.shtml http://www.fancy-rats.co.uk/information/habitat/cagecalculator/index.php http://www.kristinewickstrom.homestead.com/files/PanelApplet.html Like even the Martin's R-690 would be too small for four, if you decide to go with a Martin's (which so many of us highly recommend). http://www.martinscages.com/products/cages/rat Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. Hoping I'm wrong in this case, but just feeling a little exasperated with some who come through here trying to justify housing their ratties in too small/confined cages, as we've seen before. Better to save my breath to cool my porridge, I guess. <sigh> SignatureMariette <:3 )3~~ <:3 )3~~ <:3 )3~~ http://community.webshots.com/user/wabewawa (wabewawa61-at-earthlink-dot-net) Thanks Mariette for the calculation sites. That helps and I'm saving it when I need to do calculation. And thanks so much to you all for helping me. -TJ- >Thanks Mariette for the calculation sites. That helps and I'm saving it >when I need to do calculation. > >And thanks so much to you all for helping me. > > -TJ- You're welcome. And sorry about getting a bit testy there. I'm just really concerned about the little ones, any of them, having enough space to live in. You're sure they're all sexed correctly now, right? I think I see some pretty definite maleness towards the back with Uri there, and maybe even Geller, but of course you can't tell from the pics of the other two. You really don't want to have any more little ratties to have to make plans to provide housing for now too, eh? :) SignatureMariette <:3 )3~~ <:3 )3~~ <:3 )3~~ http://community.webshots.com/user/wabewawa (wabewawa61-at-earthlink-dot-net) Of course they are all male for sure and have big nuggets as you know what I mean. LOL Nasty- they need underwear. lolol > Of course they are all male for sure and have big nuggets as you know > what I mean. LOL Nasty- they need underwear. lolol I've actually come to adore those great furry pillows. lol SignatureJoanne Mom to 11 rats http://community.webshots.com/user/joanneb70 >> Of course they are all male for sure and have big nuggets as you know >> what I mean. LOL Nasty- they need underwear. lolol > >I've actually come to adore those great furry pillows. lol Ah-ha, there's a few more for the collection, "nuggets" and "pillows." <g> I've been quite amused at all the different terminology I've run across in this NG for our fellows' major endowments, besides the obvious "balls" ... such as: torpedoes, tackle, stuff, package, bits, junk, nads, goolies (one of my absolute faves), etc. And of course I'm honoring their giftedness in that dept. with my sig line ASCII art, which some guy (of course, heh-heh ... and thanks to him, if he happens to see this ... still cracks me up) once threw our way here on the group too. :) SignatureMariette <:3 )3~~ <:3 )3~~ <:3 )3~~ http://community.webshots.com/user/wabewawa (wabewawa61-at-earthlink-dot-net) > > Of course they are all male for sure and have big nuggets as you know > > what I mean. LOL Nasty- they need underwear. lolol [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Mom to 11 rats > http://community.webshots.com/user/joanneb70 Another one here who likes them! 3~ Tracey Go wash your mouth out...LOL The Boys Torpedoes are cute as..:)) Regarding wire flooring wither it causes bumblefoot or not I would imagine it would feel very uncomfortable under foot. Regards Kate Signaturehttp://community.webshots.com/user/ollieogg > Of course they are all male for sure and have big nuggets as you know > what I mean. LOL Nasty- they need underwear. lolol Actually, I like the calculator at http://health.ratzrus.co.uk/cagecalc/ because it figures square footage of floor space rather than cubic feet. A calculator that does only cubic feet can miscalculate a tall cage with few landings. SignatureMark Tomlinson "I'm not a trouble maker; I am a catalyst for change." > Thanks Mariette for the calculation sites. That helps and I'm saving it > when I need to do calculation. > > And thanks so much to you all for helping me. > > -TJ- Ok, if any of you have multi level cages, could each one of you take pictures of what your cages look like? I just want to see what the inside is like the way you fix up with beddings, and stuff. So I can get the picture what to put in. I'm sure hammocks to put in, bec since the beddings do fall through the wire floor. TJ > Ok, if any of you have multi level cages, could each one of you take > pictures of what your cages look like? I just want to see what the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > TJ I've started a new thread so it will be easily spotted for those looking for different cages. I've posted a link to my webshots and you can see my cage past and present. SignatureJoanne Mom to 11 rats http://community.webshots.com/user/joanneb70 |
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