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catz442000@yahoo.com - 18 Apr 2005 22:28 GMT
Okay so I know that Pine and Cedar beddings are not good for rats. I
also know that Aspen is ok for them. My question is what about Oak?

Thanks
Sara
Joanne - 19 Apr 2005 02:15 GMT
> Okay so I know that Pine and Cedar beddings are not good for rats. I
> also know that Aspen is ok for them. My question is what about Oak?
>
> Thanks
> Sara

Oak is a hardwood, so my guess is that it's ok. Do you have access to oak
chips?
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catz442000@yahoo.com - 19 Apr 2005 02:37 GMT
Yes I do I have about Three medium boxes full of them. I just didn't
want to use something I wasn't sure was ok.

Sara
Tracey - 19 Apr 2005 10:54 GMT
> Okay so I know that Pine and Cedar beddings are not good for rats. I
> also know that Aspen is ok for them. My question is what about Oak?
>
> Thanks
> Sara

As far as I know it's just the soft woods that cause problems, so oak, being
hardwood, should be ok.

Tracey
catz442000@yahoo.com - 19 Apr 2005 21:54 GMT
Ok thanks for all the help.

Sara
nk - 20 Apr 2005 21:53 GMT
Use Carefresh.  Newspaper, doesn't smell, very absorbent.

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catz442000@yahoo.com - 20 Apr 2005 22:03 GMT
The reason why i am asking is because I have some oak shaving that I
could use i just want to see if anyone knew if it was bad for them.
Sara
paghat - 20 Apr 2005 23:58 GMT
> The reason why i am asking is because I have some oak shaving that I
> could use i just want to see if anyone knew if it was bad for them.
> Sara

If what you are thinking of using is shavings from a woodshop, these tend
to be very dusty & the dust alone would be harmful to rats' lungs. Sawdust
used for small mammal bedding has had the dust removed before it is
compacted & wrapped for distribution to pet shops.

Parrot fanciers claim that oak, cherry, & eucalptus wood has harmed
hardbilled birds who chewed the wood. There is also a well publicized case
of suspected oak poisoning of a spurred tortoise, & hundreds of documented
incidents of cattle harmed by browsing from living oaks. There are many
oak species & some, such as red oak, shinnery oak, black oak, & post oak
are rated as moderately to highly toxic to animals, causing oak toxicosis.
Some other species such as white oak are regarded as of low to moderate
toxicity. This usually means browsing leaves & buds, & the same toxins are
not found in harmful concentrations in clean dry wood devoid of bark or
buds.

The bark, leaves, sprouts, young shoots, sap, & unripe acorns contain
tannic acid & several other chemical compounds associated with oak
toxicosis. If these parts of the tree contaminate the oak chips, it could
easily cause contact dermatitis in small pets even if they don't eat any
of it (it would have to be eaten to couse toxicosis).

However, even though the wood itself, if well dried, probably has little
or no toxicity, even so chips & sawdust from oaks being planed in lumber
mills is associated with increased incidents of chronic asthma, rhinitus,
& dermatitis in millworkers, & very likely the same range of possible harm
exists for small mammals.

I've never heard of oak shavings harming rodents per se, but then I've
never heard of oak shavings being available for rodents to be exposed to.
It isn't something I'd be eager to test on my own pets.

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catz442000@yahoo.com - 21 Apr 2005 00:56 GMT
Ok they are not from a woodshop and I am not exactly sure what kind
they are. They look exactly like any other kind of wood based bedding
(Aspen, Pine, Cedar). Like I said I am just wondering if they are good
or bad. But thanks everyone who has replied so far for your help. I
still haven't made a decision yet so any suggestions or comments or
facts i am open. Thanks again. I am taking everything in to
consideration. I do have other bedding materials that I currently use
so I am not worried about hurring up on a decision yet.
Thanks again,
Sara
Joanne - 21 Apr 2005 03:07 GMT
> Ok they are not from a woodshop and I am not exactly sure what kind
> they are. They look exactly like any other kind of wood based bedding
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> Thanks again,
> Sara

Sara, do you know where it comes from? Is it animal bedding?
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catz442000@yahoo.com - 21 Apr 2005 03:36 GMT
Yes I do. It came from a good friend of my dad's and he had used it for
one of his animals....I actually don't remember what it was. Anyways he
had a bunch of it left over and gave it to me. It is animal bedding.

Sara
Joanne - 21 Apr 2005 04:06 GMT
> Yes I do. It came from a good friend of my dad's and he had used it for
> one of his animals....I actually don't remember what it was. Anyways he
> had a bunch of it left over and gave it to me. It is animal bedding.
>
> Sara

From what paghat has posted, I guess I would still be leary to try it out.
If it were a larger animal, like a rabbit in a big wire cage, then I would
be tempted to try that in a litter pan but not as bottom bedding.
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Tracey - 21 Apr 2005 11:14 GMT
> Yes I do. It came from a good friend of my dad's and he had used it for
> one of his animals....I actually don't remember what it was. Anyways he
> had a bunch of it left over and gave it to me. It is animal bedding.
>
> Sara

I read somewhere that oak chippings are used for reptiles.

Tracey
catz442000@yahoo.com - 22 Apr 2005 01:01 GMT
Ok thanks for all the help... I am going to call my vet and find out
what he has to say and go from there. I'll let you know what i find
out.
Sara
catz442000@yahoo.com - 22 Apr 2005 01:01 GMT
Okay now that I got some more info. I think I am going to call my vet
and find out what he has to say.I'll let everyone know what I find
out.....
Sara
catz442000@yahoo.com - 22 Apr 2005 01:02 GMT
Ok thanks for all the help... I am going to call my vet and find out
what he has to say and go from there. I'll let you know what i find
out.
Sara
catz442000@yahoo.com - 22 Apr 2005 01:02 GMT
Ok thanks for all the help... I am going to call my vet and find out
what he has to say and go from there. I'll let you know what i find
out.
Sara
Hartmann - 27 Apr 2005 13:53 GMT
paghat <paghatSPAM-ME-NOT@netscape.net> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
paghatSPAM-ME-NOT-2004051558130001@soggy72.drizzle.com...

> > The reason why i am asking is because I have some oak shaving that I
> > could use i just want to see if anyone knew if it was bad for them.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Parrot fanciers claim that oak, cherry, & eucalptus wood has harmed
> hardbilled birds who chewed the wood.

Hi,

We have been using a bedding material intended for small mammals that seems
to have killed one of our healthy adult male rats, whom we found dead
suddenly in the morning, with his mouth and air pipe tightly stuffed with
bedding material.

In the first place I did not know what the bedding was made of. It seemed to
be reasonably soft, dust free , moisture adsorbing (2-10 mm pieces) and
pleasant smelling. I checked with the manufacturer and found that it was
made of hemp stems. Checking it closely, I found that it was soft
perpendicular to the growing direction only, but - not surprisingly - very
strong and rigid in growing direction.
It seems that he had eaten or breathed in one of the larger pieces by
mistake, couldn't get it out, swallowed more of it and choked in the end.

Sorry for by bad English,

Juergen
Joanne - 28 Apr 2005 02:32 GMT
> paghat <paghatSPAM-ME-NOT@netscape.net> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
> paghatSPAM-ME-NOT-2004051558130001@soggy72.drizzle.com...
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> Juergen

That's so very sad... I'm sorry that happened to your little rat. Do you
know the name of the product?
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Tracey - 29 Apr 2005 09:52 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Juergen

That must have been an awful shock for you.  I have heard of the hemp
bedding but have never used it myself.

Your English is perfectly fine, by the way :o)

Tracey
 
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