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Michael
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> I think we've inadvertently created a small behavioural problem in our
> guys...
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> her claws, but I'm not sure she got the message. So it's socks all round
> now, until we break the habit.
Michael, interesting subject line! When I was new to rats, and got my first
rat Maggie last summer, she lived alone for a couple of months while she was
being spayed and waiting to move in to the boys' cage. During this time I
felt bad for her and would have her out on my shoulder every night for at
least an hour so she could get some good contact. I noticed that sometimes
after a while she would start biting at my fingers so I took that as the
"put me back" sign and in the cage she would go.
As things progressed, if I was not paying attention, her biting at my
fingers would turn to "chewing at the hangnail" and actually biting OFF the
ends of my fingernails. I really started freaking out, also thinking that I
had a man-eating rat on my hands. After posting about this (though not as
interestingly as you did!) I was told that this is GROOMING, and a sign of
affection. It makes sense. Rats will groom each other, and if they love
you too, they'll groom you. A think like a callous is an anomoly, that is,
it feels funny to them tompared to the rest of the foot, so in rat terms
they're doing you a favor if they remove it. "Biting" them back won't do
any good because they would just think "oh, he's grooming me back".
I also have the rats out at night on the bed (just did this last night) and
they were all over me. We did "rattie taco" (wrap them up in fleece) and
"rattie jumble" (grab all three and squeeze) but I do have to sort of watch
out what they're doing to me while they're on me. Sometimes if they get too
crazy I sit on a chair next to the bed while they run around - esp. if I'm
having a snack at the time that they want to share. Last night Maggie stole
a potato chip right off my plate.
One thing you can try, which I did when they started getting nippy at treat
time, is if they start to nip, go "eeee" in a high pitch, and that's
rat-signal for "I don't like that". Mine learned pretty fast with that.
You just have to know their language!
Good luck. I'm sure others will have some good advice for you too.
Meghan
Michael Rozdoba - 30 Jul 2005 16:22 GMT
> As things progressed, if I was not paying attention, her biting at my
> fingers would turn to "chewing at the hangnail" and actually biting
> OFF the ends of my fingernails. I really started freaking out, also
> thinking that I had a man-eating rat on my hands.
LOL.
> After posting about this (though not as interestingly as you did!) I
> was told that this is GROOMING, and a sign of affection.
I know, I was just being a bit silly. That said, it was a surprise as
they've very rarely drawn blood - just a bit too enthusiastic.
> It makes sense. Rats will groom each other, and if they love you
> too, they'll groom you. A think like a callous is an anomoly, that
> is, it feels funny to them tompared to the rest of the foot, so in
> rat terms they're doing you a favor if they remove it.
Quite. Though we were a bit taken aback that they could tell the
difference - calluses aren't something they have, afaik.
> "Biting" them back won't do any good because they would just think
> "oh, he's grooming me back".
Yeah, I figured. She wasn't keen on having an entire paw devoured though ;)
> I also have the rats out at night on the bed (just did this last
> night) and they were all over me. We did "rattie taco" (wrap them up
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> they want to share. Last night Maggie stole a potato chip right off
> my plate.
Don't remind me. I'm trying to apply some behavioural conditioning to
Cheryl atm (yes, she is my other half) - to not eat strawberries in bed
when the rats are out...
"But I didn't give them any... I didn't know they'd stolen them so it's
not my fault..." <stares at bloody duvet, sheet & mattress, which looks
like it's recently been visited by a suicide bombing rat>.
> One thing you can try, which I did when they started getting nippy at
> treat time, is if they start to nip, go "eeee" in a high pitch, and
> that's rat-signal for "I don't like that". Mine learned pretty fast
> with that. You just have to know their language!
I'd not that of that. Great idea, cheers :)

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Igenlode - 30 Jul 2005 23:42 GMT
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> Michael, interesting subject line! When I was new to rats, and got my first
> rat Maggie last summer, she lived alone for a couple of months while she was
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> affection. It makes sense. Rats will groom each other, and if they love
> you too, they'll groom you.
Oh, that explains why my rat nibbles my toenails when I'm sitting in
the chair and she's on the floor :-)
(I have to sit barefoot in her vicinity: last year she twice nibbled the
edge of my (very expensive -- I have weird-shaped feet) hand-made shoes,
causing permanent although fortunately very minor damage...)
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> One thing you can try, which I did when they started getting nippy at treat
> time, is if they start to nip, go "eeee" in a high pitch, and that's
> rat-signal for "I don't like that". Mine learned pretty fast with that.
> You just have to know their language!
Oddly enough, I've always done that with ours. Not through any conscious
effort of communication, but just because it's the noise I naturally
tend to make when attacked by a small but persistent pain ;-)
It does make them stop, but I assumed it was because they were so
surprised!

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> I think we've inadvertently created a small behavioural problem in our
> guys...
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> her claws, but I'm not sure she got the message. So it's socks all round
> now, until we break the habit.
LOL, when looking at the subject line, I thought, not another troll.;)
But... yes, some rats really do like to nip at the toes and fingers. It
is definitely not having a taste for flesh. You can correct them, not by
biting them back, lol but by having a handy little box or very small
cage near you, and when one does this, pick him up firmly say no and
place in empty box for 5 minutes, no longer. Then return him to the play
area. Keep putting him or them in the box each and every time they do
something unacceptable. Preferably, not together, they would need their
own box if you have more than one doing this at the same time. They need
to relate, nipping toes to unfavorable solitary confinement with no toys
or food either.
Joanne
Owned by 19 rats.
Michael Rozdoba - 30 Jul 2005 18:34 GMT
> LOL, when looking at the subject line, I thought, not another
> troll.;)
On a bad morning I probably could pass for a troll.
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> They need to relate, nipping toes to unfavorable solitary confinement
> with no toys or food either.
Thanks, that's another good idea we'd never considered. I wonder if it
would work for Cheryl too?
Cheers,

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Jason and Holly Harper - 31 Jul 2005 00:47 GMT
I have a hunch Cheryl would be more likely to bite you after you put her in
a box for a time out. ;-)
Holly
>> LOL, when looking at the subject line, I thought, not another
>> troll.;)
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>
> Cheers,
Michael Rozdoba - 31 Jul 2005 22:33 GMT
> I have a hunch Cheryl would be more likely to bite you after you put her in
> a box for a time out. ;-)
Hm, you've got a point - unless it had Cadbury's on the side (or maybe
I'm thinking of myself there).

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Joanne - 31 Jul 2005 02:41 GMT
> Thanks, that's another good idea we'd never considered. I wonder if it
> would work for Cheryl too?
As long as you do all the housecleaning while she's in there. ;)
Joanne
Owned by 18 rats
Michael Rozdoba - 31 Jul 2005 22:35 GMT
>> Thanks, that's another good idea we'd never considered. I wonder if it
>> would work for Cheryl too?
>
> As long as you do all the housecleaning while she's in there. ;)
That's a bit too cruel - she might have a heart attack afterwards.

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