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Michael Rozdoba - 30 Jul 2005 16:44 GMT
Our eldest, Kairi (about 26 months old), is really having a lot of bad
'luck'. She's had a slow growing tumour for several months. Then she
gets a tail injury & we discover more large tumours.

Now after having the end of her tail amputated eight days ago, after it
mysteriously got pinched somehow, she's gone & got the same injury again
- which has also opened up the wound from the amputation.

This is obviously too much of a coincidence to be chance. I've noticed
she drags her tail now rather than carries it as the others do & I'd
assumed this was due to the first tail injury, however I now think I've
got that the wrong way around.

Two of the tumours are near her back legs & I think they must be the
reason she can't carry her tail anymore. Aside from some minor mobility
problems & this, she seems otherwise fine - enjoys her food & if
anything is more sociable now than six months ago.

However, I think the change regarding her tail, meaning it now tends to
get dragged behind her, has somehow resulted in it getting trapped
somewhere in their cage. The damage looks like the tail has been pinched
from either side by something rounded, with one side of the pinch
tighter than the other.

This would be consistent with her pulling her tail into a narrowing gap,
getting it trapped & then struggling until she manages to back out.

Problem is, what do we do now? We only have one large cage which they've
all been happy in for eight months & I can't be sure where the damage is
happening. She'd hate to be moved to another cage (she's the alpha) on
her own, but we can't let this keep happening. It's causing too much
distress for her & big vet bills for the treatment, apart from which,
she'll eventually run out of tail :/

If I could figure out where the problem areas are I might be able to do
something. The cage is the Superpet Ferret home shown (not very clearly)
here: http://www.ciao.co.uk/Superpet_Deluxe_Mutli_Floor_Ferret_Home__6232437

Better pictures can be seen here from someone else who also thought it
would make a good rat home:
http://www.rattycorner.com/ratrecords/cage/superpet.shtml

ATM I'm guessing her tail is getting caught between the cage & a shelf
corner/edge (which are rounded) when she's moving between levels using
the cage walls to climb.

For the time being we'll put the shelves into three level groups of
three, so that the only way between levels is through the central holes
in some of the shelves & via ladders & hammocks.

Any ideas or suggestions would be most welcome. This is so frustrating,
not knowing exactly what's going on.

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Meghan - 30 Jul 2005 19:12 GMT
> Our eldest, Kairi (about 26 months old), is really having a lot of bad
> 'luck'. She's had a slow growing tumour for several months. Then she
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> Any ideas or suggestions would be most welcome. This is so frustrating,
> not knowing exactly what's going on.

Michael, this does sound as though it is way more than coincidence.  I would
imagine if she can't lift her tail it is getting caught in any number of
places, ones a human probably can't even think of.  I don't have any good
ideas just yet, other than building her a tail-sling, but I'm also the
person who tried (and failed miserably) to build rat diapers.

One thing I would definitely do is call your vet (the one who did the
amputation) and ask their opinion.  I can *so* empathize with you with vet
bills etc. - one of my rats, Jacques, had a very bad luck streak last fall
and ended up with two near-death experiences, one culminating in the
amputation of his right hind leg at Christmas.  I think I was on the phone
to my vet about 20 times in the month of December alone.

That is some cage BTW - nice!

Meghan
Michael Rozdoba - 30 Jul 2005 21:59 GMT
> Michael, this does sound as though it is way more than coincidence.
> I would imagine if she can't lift her tail it is getting caught in
> any number of places, ones a human probably can't even think of.

Quite, as we're not used to moving around in the much more agile way
they manage.

> I don't have any good ideas just yet, other than building her a
> tail-sling, but I'm also the person who tried (and failed miserably)
> to build rat diapers.

:)

Is the tail sling an idea anyone has actually tried?

> One thing I would definitely do is call your vet (the one who did the
>  amputation) and ask their opinion.

We will do on Monday.

> I can *so* empathize with you with vet bills etc. - one of my rats,
> Jacques, had a very bad luck streak last fall and ended up with two
> near-death experiences, one culminating in the amputation of his
> right hind leg at Christmas.  I think I was on the phone to my vet
> about 20 times in the month of December alone.

:/

I hope the final outcome was okay.

> That is some cage BTW - nice!

When I eventually get our website online there'll be some pics of our
rat palace on it. They certainly seem to like it :)

We added a young pair about six months ago. For the first three months
they could fit between the bars, but you'd only notice this when they
were returning to the cage, as Maddie would ignore the door & nip
straight back in to the nearest hammock. I never saw them trying to get
out the same way.

Re Kairi's tail, a little bit of good news. Today's damage didn't look
quite as bad as the first incident and after six hours or so the pinched
in section seems to have reinflated just leaving some grazing & the
damage to the healing wound, so hopefully no more amputations. Assuming
we can eliminate the hazardous areas soon enough to prevent repeats.

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Joanne - 30 Jul 2005 22:32 GMT
> Our eldest, Kairi (about 26 months old), is really having a lot of bad
> 'luck'. She's had a slow growing tumour for several months. Then she
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> Any ideas or suggestions would be most welcome. This is so frustrating,
> not knowing exactly what's going on.

I used to have those cages too. I remember having problems with the side
doors. Could there be a small gap there that her tail is getting caught?
The idea of putting all the shelves together, making it one level is a
good one. Keep experimenting until the problem is solved. You can also
order extra shelves for that cage at most stores that sell those cages.

Joanne
Owned by 18 rats.
Michael Rozdoba - 31 Jul 2005 22:29 GMT
> I used to have those cages too. I remember having problems with the side
> doors. Could there be a small gap there that her tail is getting caught?

That was my first thought, but fortunately the way we had the cage set
up that week made it seem unlikely. Also the size of the curved pinch
seemed a bit too big to be from a bar.

> The idea of putting all the shelves together, making it one level is a
> good one. Keep experimenting until the problem is solved. You can also
> order extra shelves for that cage at most stores that sell those cages.

We need to order some other cage bits anyway, so probably will pick up
another three shelves.

> Joanne
> Owned by 18 rats.

<g> I used to worry about that, but at least I'm not at the very bottom
of the hierarchy now, I think :)

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