Of course, we already knew rats have complicated emotions, but this
morning I was reading some behavioral studies (articles are upstairs so
I'm going to paraphrase badly without the citation). The set-up for the
rats was this: They had to run a long straight course to a food reward.
The rats could see the reward in the distance. They would get the reward
whether they ran fast or ran slow, so their speed was dependent on their
degree of eagerness rather than fear of not getting the reward if they
were too slow.
Some of them were first habituated to a small reward, others were
habituated to a large reward. The speed with which they went to the
expected reward was the same in both groups. But when the rats habituated
to small rewards saw MORE food than they ordinarily would get, they ran
faster to get it, they were most eager. But the rats who expected big
rewards, if what they saw was the smaller reward, they practically walked,
the eagerness evaporated.
This was regarded as scientific evidence, rather than just pet-owner
projection of human characteristics, showing that rats that have developed
certain expectations will experience heightened delight if the expectation
is exceeded (hence running faster to the larger reward), but would
experience disappointment if the expectation were not met (hence no speed
to get the reward).
So our projecting emotions on to these guys is given the thumbs-up by science.
-paghat

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Susan Aplin - 21 Aug 2003 09:20 GMT
thanks Paghat, nice to know that the things we assume to be correct about
our rats are scientifically true and not the imagination of "bonkers" rat
lovers!!!!
> Of course, we already knew rats have complicated emotions, but this
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elegy - 21 Aug 2003 12:39 GMT
well *i* could have told them that would be the case! lol.
thanks for posting this paghat. very interesting.
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J&S Bouchard - 21 Aug 2003 18:10 GMT
> Of course, we already knew rats have complicated emotions, but this
> morning I was reading some behavioral studies (articles are upstairs so
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> -paghat
Thanks for that info... very interesting!
So my sister is right when she says that her girls look so disappointed when
they miss out on their "out time" for that day.

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YSB - 21 Aug 2003 22:20 GMT
That's wonderful! Now I can tell all those people that blame me for
anthropomorphizing my furry babies that I'm not crazy after all... (well,
not TOO much, at least...) If you can find the reference, could you post
it, please? I'd love to read the paper!
Yana
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> Of course, we already knew rats have complicated emotions, but this
> morning I was reading some behavioral studies (articles are upstairs so
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Mark Tomlinson - 22 Aug 2003 04:41 GMT
Fascinating. This is substantiated by my own experience. I run faster to
meetings if I expect food, but begin walking if I see that it's just bagels
again.
You know, I've got this half-baked theory that rats and people behave in
similar manners because we both have thumbs. Thumbs mean we have similar
views of the world. Unlike dogs, we both pick things up and study them
before putting them in our mouths.

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> Of course, we already knew rats have complicated emotions, but this
> morning I was reading some behavioral studies (articles are upstairs so
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> -paghat
J&S Bouchard - 22 Aug 2003 13:14 GMT
> Fascinating. This is substantiated by my own experience. I run faster to
> meetings if I expect food, but begin walking if I see that it's just bagels
> again.
ROFLMAO!!!

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Jen - 25 Aug 2003 10:56 GMT
I think you're right Mark - rats are much more like humans than any other
pet I've had or seen. I work with kids from 3 months to about 20 months old
and I swear when I get home and let my ratties out it's just like being back
at work. "don't climb that" "take that out of your mouth" "stop sulking"
"that's not yours give it back"......
Except the rats mostly listen and obey if I use the right commands rather
than just raising an eyebrow and carrying on!!
Jen
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> meetings if I expect food, but begin walking if I see that it's just bagels
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