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preventing a rat from picking at a cut

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drz@casualhacker.net - 22 Oct 2005 02:42 GMT
Barbara had surgery today (completely succesful). Now she's home and she's
pulling at her cut so much that it's opening up and bleeding. What can we do?
We're trying to make a collar for her but she keeps pulling it off.

Tim
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Joanne - 22 Oct 2005 03:34 GMT
> Barbara had surgery today (completely succesful). Now she's home and she's
> pulling at her cut so much that it's opening up and bleeding. What can we do?
> We're trying to make a collar for her but she keeps pulling it off.
>
> Tim

Collars won't work. You could try wrapping her up in a sock, but that
probably won't work either. The only thing that did it for my guys, I
would have to sit there and watch the rat. Sometimes they pick at it
because the sutures were put on too tight, or because it's itchy. Most
likely, she has hidden sutures and as long as those don't open up, then
she should be fine. But I would call the vet to find out if she does
have inside sutures. I've had a couple of rats open up their outside
sutures after a spay or neuter and my vet told me to just make sure it's
kept clean.

Joanne
Owned by 14 rats
drz@casualhacker.net - 22 Oct 2005 03:49 GMT
>> Barbara had surgery today (completely succesful). Now she's home and she's
>> pulling at her cut so much that it's opening up and bleeding. What can we do?
>> We're trying to make a collar for her but she keeps pulling it off.

> Collars won't work. You could try wrapping her up in a sock, but that
> probably won't work either. The only thing that did it for my guys, I
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> sutures after a spay or neuter and my vet told me to just make sure it's
> kept clean.

Thanks, Joanne.

The vet told me this afternoon that she does have the dissolving stitches,
which I assume are the same as your inside sutures. (Nothing is visible from
the outside.) She didn't stitch the outside because last time Barbara just
pulled those out, but it took her a few days. I'm concerned that she's pulling
at it already before the wound's had time to heal at all. I'm really stressed
out about this.

Tim
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Joanne - 22 Oct 2005 04:21 GMT
> Thanks, Joanne.
>
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>
> Tim

I sure do know what you mean.
I think the best thing you can do is just keep a close eye on her. Watch
for any bleeding and/or infection. Her outside wound should heal
up/close up real fast.

Joanne
Owned by 14 rats
drz@casualhacker.net - 22 Oct 2005 04:25 GMT
>> The vet told me this afternoon that she does have the dissolving stitches,
>> which I assume are the same as your inside sutures. (Nothing is visible from
>> the outside.) She didn't stitch the outside because last time Barbara just
>> pulled those out, but it took her a few days. I'm concerned that she's pulling
>> at it already before the wound's had time to heal at all. I'm really stressed
>> out about this.

> I sure do know what you mean. I think the best thing you can do is just keep
> a close eye on her. Watch for any bleeding and/or infection. Her outside
> wound should heal up/close up real fast.

We just talked to our breeder and she also said that there isn't really
anything that you can do, but that the rats typically "know when to stop." So
I'm sitting here, checking up on Barbara every 5 minutes, and it doesn't look
like she's pulling open the wound. It does look like she's trying, though. I
guess we're resigned to letting her do her thing. If things still look fine
when we go to bed in a few hours, then I might even be able to sleep.

Thank you,
Tim
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Joanne - 22 Oct 2005 14:06 GMT
>>>The vet told me this afternoon that she does have the dissolving stitches,
>>>which I assume are the same as your inside sutures. (Nothing is visible from
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> Thank you,
> Tim

How is she this morning Tim?

Joanne
Owned by 14 rats
drz@casualhacker.net - 22 Oct 2005 18:33 GMT
> How is she this morning Tim?

So we had a pretty stressful time last night. From the beginning:

Barbara went in to have 3(!) small tumors removed yesterday. Because the last
time she took her surface stitches right out, the vet didn't put any in this
time. She just put stitches inside the wound, and used some kind of glue on
it.

I picked Barbara up from the vet on the way home from work, and she seemed
healthy, curious, and ready for some treats. Got her home, into the brand new
sick cage (because we currently have two babies in quarantine in the old sick
cage), and she seemed pretty happy. Then about 10 minutes later I hear DW
admonish Barbara for picking at her cut. She's making it bleed a little bit.

We're not sure what to do, so we just hold her to prevent her from doing this.
The best I can think of is to make a collar, so we fashion one out of
cardboard but no matter what I do she gets it off in just a few seconds. So we
post here, and call our breeder, and in general are pretty stressed out about
the whole thing. The consensus is that we should just leave her be, and she
won't go too far.

So we leave her to it, but half an hour later DW sounds very upset again. It
looks like Barbara has actually gotten at the deep stitches. One of her cuts
is opened a little bit, showing bright red flesh. To make the sight worse
Barbara is pulling at it as hard as she can, right in the center. In somewhat
of a panic, we take her to the emergency vet. They take one look at her, and
confirm that the wound needs to be stitched closed again. Unfortunately
they're completely swamped, so it'll be at least an hour. At first it sounds
like they want to keep her there until they're ready, but we decide to hold
onto Barbara ourselves so we can prevent her from hurting herself any more.

The vet tries on a collar they have. It has snap buttons, a nice soft rubber
along the inside, and looks generally very clinical. Unfortunately it's either
too tight on our poor rat, or too loose. They give us a piece of x-ray paper
that we can try to make our own collar out of, and tell us they'll call us
when they're ready for Barbara.

So we drive back home again, where I finally manage to make a collar that
fits. I used the pattern on this page, with the x-ray paper, some cotton for
the collar inside, medical tape, and our neighbor's sewing kit to put it all
together:
http://ratballs.com/RatTails/Tails084.html
I think what went wrong with the cardboard ones was that I'd made the center
hole too big.

While we're still waiting for the vet to call us back, I set to making the
sick cage taller. I didn't count on a collar-wearing rat, which needs more
vertical space to get around comfortably. At this point Barbara is in our
carrier, wearing the collar, while DW is asleep on the floor next to her. Just
as I'm finishing up the taller cage, the vet calls to say their emergencies
are over.

At the vet, they take Barbara, make us sign the paperwork, and leave us alone
in the waiting room for half an hour or so. Finally the vet emerges from a
door, with Barbara in his hands. He's fixed the cut she opened up, and put
surface stitches on all the cuts as well, just in case. I ask him some
questions, and learn how to judge how tight a collar should be put on. You
should look at the color of the rat's gums, tongue, etc, which should be pink.
If they're bluish then the collar is on too tight. On top of that he
personally likes to make sure the collar is loose enough that it can rotate
around the rat's neck fairly easily.

We get home just before 1am, where we put Barbara in the enlarged sick cage.
We fret a little bit over her ability to eat without her hands. In addition to
her seed mixture we also give her some soup. Distressingly, Barbara is still a
bit groggy from the anesthetic they gave her. A couple of times she sits up
straight, only to fall over onto her back. Even with that, we're satisfied
that she'll be OK through the night so we finally catch some sleep.

This morning we took off the collar to give her a chance to wash herself, and
generally feel better. After fussing about a bit, she's fallen asleep now.
We're watching her closely, and plan to put the collar back on if she starts
picking at her cuts again. I'm not sure how long is long enough, but I'd like
to give them at least 24 hours to heal without being messed up.

Tim
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elegy - 22 Oct 2005 21:08 GMT
>> How is she this morning Tim?
>
>So we had a pretty stressful time last night. From the beginning:

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>This morning we took off the collar to give her a chance to wash herself, and
>generally feel better. After fussing about a bit, she's fallen asleep now.
>We're watching her closely, and plan to put the collar back on if she starts
>picking at her cuts again. I'm not sure how long is long enough, but I'd like
>to give them at least 24 hours to heal without being messed up.

good lord, tim. you've sure got your hands full with that one! i'm
glad you were able to make a collar that worked- the one i made was
out of x-ray film and it held up pretty well. it also helped,
depending on where the incisions were, to wrap the naughty vermin with
vetwrap stretchy bandage stuff to the point of unbendiness. it seems
to be less bothersome to them than the collar.

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drz@casualhacker.net - 23 Oct 2005 01:39 GMT
>>So we had a pretty stressful time last night. From the beginning:

> good lord, tim. you've sure got your hands full with that one! i'm
> glad you were able to make a collar that worked- the one i made was
> out of x-ray film and it held up pretty well. it also helped,
> depending on where the incisions were, to wrap the naughty vermin with
> vetwrap stretchy bandage stuff to the point of unbendiness. it seems
> to be less bothersome to them than the collar.

We thought about some kind of wrap, but she's got cuts in the front left and
rear right, so we'd have to turn her into a little rat mummy to really make
everything work. Maybe it would be better, but at least now we've got
something that works.

Tim
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Joanne - 22 Oct 2005 21:19 GMT
>>How is she this morning Tim?
>
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>
> Tim

Wow! What a night!!
You certainly did the right thing, bringing her back in.
Let hope the rest of her healing is uneventful.
Sending her healing vibes...

Joanne
Owned by 14 rats
drz@casualhacker.net - 23 Oct 2005 01:41 GMT
>> So we had a pretty stressful time last night. From the beginning:

> Wow! What a night!!
> You certainly did the right thing, bringing her back in.
> Let hope the rest of her healing is uneventful.
> Sending her healing vibes...

Thanks, Joanne. She's had a pretty good day. We had the collar on her for a
little bit, but most of the day she's been sleeping without it.

Tim
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Tracey - 23 Oct 2005 11:35 GMT
>> How is she this morning Tim?
>
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>
> Tim

Wow, Tim, if only everybody cared for their animals with such loving
attentiveness as you and your DW - what a night you had!  I hope Barbara
keeps away from the stitches and heals up nicely.  Well wishes to the little
one.

Tracey
drz@casualhacker.net - 23 Oct 2005 19:17 GMT
>> So we had a pretty stressful time last night. From the beginning:

> Wow, Tim, if only everybody cared for their animals with such loving
> attentiveness as you and your DW - what a night you had!  I hope Barbara
> keeps away from the stitches and heals up nicely.  Well wishes to the little
> one.

Barbara isn't being good today. :-( We had the collar on last night and took
it off this morning. About an hour I found that one of the wounds is bleeding
a bit. DW isn't home and I can't put the collar on by myself, so I'm just
watching her very closely and moving her head away every time she starts to
pick. Luckily she's asleep now. I sure hope she heals quickly.

Tim
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Joanne - 24 Oct 2005 02:12 GMT
>>>So we had a pretty stressful time last night. From the beginning:
>
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>
> Tim

Lets hope she holds off for just a couple more days, then the wound
should be all nice and healed.

Joanne
Owned by 14 rats
Tracey - 24 Oct 2005 11:36 GMT
> Barbara isn't being good today. :-( We had the collar on last night and
> took
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>
> Tim

I'll never ceased to be amazed at just how quickly rat wounds heal.  I'd be
doing the same as you - keep watching her to make sure she doesn't bite at
the wound.  I've been through the same thing in the past with a male I had
castrated - he wouldn't leave his wound alone, the vet had to evetually fit
him with a collar.  He absolutely hated the collar and I felt so sorry for
him not being able to use his paws to eat or clean.  I did as you are
doing - took the collar off to give him breaks and kept a close eye on him,
stoppping him everytime he picked at the wound.  A couple of days and all
was good.  Hope Barbara is the same!

Tracey
drz@casualhacker.net - 24 Oct 2005 21:37 GMT
> I'll never ceased to be amazed at just how quickly rat wounds heal.  I'd be
> doing the same as you - keep watching her to make sure she doesn't bite at
> the wound.  I've been through the same thing in the past with a male I had

I think it's all under control now. We left her collar off yesterday evening
and everything seemed well, so we left it off all night. This morning she
still looked fine, so I put her back in the big cage with her sister again. I
haven't noticed any picking or anything, and she sure seems happier snuggled
up with Janola. Thanks to everybody for their support.

Tim
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Joanne - 25 Oct 2005 13:38 GMT
>>I'll never ceased to be amazed at just how quickly rat wounds heal.  I'd be
>>doing the same as you - keep watching her to make sure she doesn't bite at
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>
> Tim

That's great news Tim!!!

Joanne
Owned by 14 rats
Tracey - 25 Oct 2005 17:01 GMT
>> I'll never ceased to be amazed at just how quickly rat wounds heal.  I'd
>> be
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>
> Tim

That's good to hear :o)  Hope she continues to do well!

Tracey
 
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