Question about rats aging
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Meghan - 26 Oct 2005 22:10 GMT I have noticed just in the past couple of weeks that my ratties are not as active as they used to be. They sleep very soundly most of the day, and even at night they just don't bang around like they used to. Their ages are:
Jacques - 14 months, male Pierre - 14 months, male Maggie - supposedly 24 months (I got her at "9 months old" supposedly, a year ago August), spayed female
They're still healthy, love to eat, run around some during out time. I'm just wondering what I can expect (do they just get less and less and less active) and is there anything I can do to make their "mature" stage better for them? They still aren't much for cuddling at ALL, except for Jacques who is just now beginning to love having his head held and scratched.
Meghan
Michael Rozdoba - 26 Oct 2005 22:51 GMT > I have noticed just in the past couple of weeks that my ratties are not as > active as they used to be. They sleep very soundly most of the day, and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > just wondering what I can expect (do they just get less and less and less > active) I'm our limited experience, 'yes', though as you might expect to a large extent it depends on the individual rat. The introduction of youngsters to a colony does liven some of them up, sometimes surprisingly so, while others just lie back & watch the youngsters get on with it.
> and is there anything I can do to make their "mature" stage better > for them? I don't know what others will say, but we've not found a need to accomodate aging, however the problems that come with aging such as an increased chance of some ailment or other do require changes to their environment sometimes, such as a cage redesign to allow for reduced agility & reliance on climbing. Nothing unexpected.
> They still aren't much for cuddling at ALL, except for Jacques > who is just now beginning to love having his head held and scratched.
:-)
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Tracey - 27 Oct 2005 12:08 GMT >I have noticed just in the past couple of weeks that my ratties are not as > active as they used to be. They sleep very soundly most of the day, and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Meghan I think old age in rats works pretty much the same as with us humans - some people age and become very feeble whereas others amaze you with their sprighliness and joy of life when they are in their eighties and nineties! I've had a few rats live beyond two years, and they have all the tell tale signs of old age, like thinning fur, not eating quite so much and sleeping more. However one of my current rats, Max, is over two and a half years now and he still acts like a youngster - he darts around and climbs things when he is out of the cage (and indeed when he is in the cage!) and still eats as much as he ever did. And his fur is still as thick as ever. He looks and acts like a rat half his age, yet I lost his brother quite young to a stroke around this time last year.
Rats do mellow with old age and usually turn more into cuddly bundles - if they weren't before! Here is a link to an article about old age in rats you mind find interesting: http://www.dapper.com.au/articles.htm#old
Tracey
Joanne - 27 Oct 2005 14:05 GMT > I have noticed just in the past couple of weeks that my ratties are not as > active as they used to be. They sleep very soundly most of the day, and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Meghan Hi Meghan, Your little guys are probably just settling down now, instead of being hyper children, they've grown into maturity. Tracey and Michael said it best in their posts.
Joanne Owned by 14 rats
Meghan - 27 Oct 2005 18:27 GMT > I have noticed just in the past couple of weeks that my ratties are not as > active as they used to be. They sleep very soundly most of the day, and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Meghan Tracey, thanks for the article - that's just what I was looking for. Michael and Joanne, thank you both for your experience. I noticed that Jacques (my 3-legged rat) has given up trying to balance when he jumps, which he still does a lot of, and just usually does a big "splat" instead of trying to land on his legs. Maggie seems to be the most lively, which is ironic because she is 2, but she runs around the levels just like a little one.
Meghan
paghat - 27 Oct 2005 22:23 GMT RAT LONGEVITY (revised/reposted)
Under unnatural circumstances & with special medications & supplements the oldest rat in the Long-Evans database lived 61 months -- in a group of experiments designed to prolong life with not even ONE additional rat making it so long as that. Out of hundreds & hundreds reported from controlled longevity studies. We're not talking a healthy happy 61 months either, we're talking last-legs pathetic.
In a study done at Semmelweis University of Medicine in Budapest [reported in Mech Ageing Dev, December 1988] the average lifespan of rats treated with the longevity drug deprenyl was just under 37 months, with ONE rat out of 66 living to the fantastic old age of 57 months. Control study rats not given the longevity drug lived 47 months at maximum, most were dead in less than 32. By this study, we can see that IF you provided special longevity drugs to your rats, even then less than two in a hundred of them would reach the age of four. The majority would make it only one month beyond the age of 3, which is the normal lifespan of healthy rats, so even longevity drugs provide only that extra 4 weeks benefit to the majority.
A study in which rats were fed 40% of the amount of food required to keep them active, supplemented with chromium picolinate, it was found their lifespan could be extended to 4 years & rarer still nearly five for the occasional animal. The trade-off is that they spent this lengthened life in a state of what microbiologist Ann Storey called "suspended animation" with no mental or physical stimulation or capacity to reproduce. When the study was first reported in 1994 by M. F. McCarty, it was widely reported among rat fanciers & discussed at length if rat care should include chromium picolinate supplements & starvation in order to increase rats' lifespan to the occasional animal living a bit under five years as a nearly inert pet. The universal outcome of these discussions was that a life without motion or environmental interaction was not much of a life, & achieving the normal three-year life with a hard-grain no-fat diet would be great enough, & most of us can't even manage that when our ratties love & beg for life-shortening treats like bread & sunflower seeds & yogurt. (See McCarthy "Longevity Effect of Chromium Picolinate" in MEDICAL HYPOTHESES 43, 1994.)
The Long-Evans Rat Longevity Database showed that one rat in ten, with cromium supplements & near-starvation, lived just under 49 months, with an average of 44 months for the group of ten. The "average" is most important because it was the highest of any study group -- in other groups the occasional animal lived four years but the majority never more than three, so the chromium study was of unusual interest for extending the average. What it showed was that if rats were kept on a starvation diet so that they rarely moved & received chromium supplements to counteract the unhealthful effects of this inertia, their lives could be extended on average to 3.6 years & in one out of ten cases to a little over 4 years. No other control group had averages that high. The oldest rat in the Database was 61 months in a group that lived on average less than 39, & the second oldest in the data base lived just under 51 months in a group that for the majority lived only 27 months -- in each group these were disease-free rats kept under identical circumstances of shared lineage. In each group there was found the OCCASIONAL animal that would live into its fourth year with the majority dying by age three.
Healthy longevity to age three was found to be more likely in rats who took the opportunity of VOLUNTARY exercise akin to that provided by putting them in wire cages that do permit incidental but persistent climbing exercise, or for rats that frequently use running wheels (as alas only a small percentage of pet rats do because unlike mice & gerbils, rats have to learn to use a wheel, usually from mother rats who already know how). Any environment that does not permit a rat voluntary & incidental exercise lowers their age average to well under three years, while those who voluntarily exercise will live just over three years in a better state of health. See for example: "Effect of Voluntary Exercise on Longevity of Rats" by Holloszy et al, in THE JOURNAL OF APPLIED PHYSIOLOGY 59, 1985. In a glass box with little opportunity for incidental & voluntary climbing exercise, shortened lifespan averages are inevitable.
Rats that receive adequate exercise & eat primarily whole grains & no fatty foods & no junkfood & which do not contract lung infections or tumors or viruses, are apt to live to age three then stroke out from the natural biological clock that is the same in all rats everywhere in the world. Without intervention less than two in a hundred will reach a fourth year naturally, & with heroic interventions that average can be raised to one in ten living into their fourth year but at considerable detriment to quality of that life. Rats "spoiled" on treats or living in aquariums where adequate excercize & ventillation are not a possibility, they'll be lucky if they reach age three with the last full year being one of misery & sickness. Exceptions wouldn't be surprising. See "Life Term Studies in Rats" in THE JOURNAL OF NUTRITION 105, 1975.
I am old enough to remember when rats rarely experienced tumors, & elderly rats rarely experienced lung infections. In those good old days rats made it to age three without illness, though the oldest would lose weight, & eventually stroke out for a rapid death to conclude a healthy life. For a number of reasons, pet rats today are just about universally afflicted by immune stresses (lifelong subclinical myco, numerous viruses, poor breeding for color varieties rather than for longevity or health, mediocre to poor diets). Where 25 to 40 years ago stroke in old age took most pet rats, today it will most commonly be either lung disease or tumors, the result of immunosuppression.
-paghat the ratgirl
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Joanne - 28 Oct 2005 03:09 GMT > RAT LONGEVITY (revised/reposted) > [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > -paghat the ratgirl Great article Paghat... with your permission, I would like keep it and repost in other forums.
And with that, you just helped me make my decision to have my 30 month old boy pts... he's not living, he's existing and that's not right.
Joanne Owned by 18 rats
Kate - 29 Oct 2005 01:00 GMT >> RAT LONGEVITY (revised/reposted) >> [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > Joanne > Owned by 18 rats Good for you Joanne and your Old Chap. Bless you..:)
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Michael Rozdoba - 28 Oct 2005 18:04 GMT > RAT LONGEVITY (revised/reposted) [snip]
Thanks, again.
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