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dawn - 25 Jan 2006 03:14 GMT
OMG, my sister brought over her rat tonight, I couldnt help but throw up!
Rosie is about 3yrs old, has a tumour the size of my bloody fist! My sister
asked me if she is sick? WHAT THE He double hockey sticks! Poor girl cant
even move around, apparently she was in her hut, and just laid there in her
own filth! I managed to convince her to give me rosie and have her pts, end
her pain. Little does my sister know, that I am calling animal services on
her and her boyfriend. There are other animals in that house and if rosie
looks like this, then I cant imagine what the 3 birds, 2 dogs, 4 cats, and
the other 2 rats look like!

I wish I could take her to be pts tonight but I have no money until the
hubby gets home. Not to mention I would have to wake up my daughter who has
school tomorrow. *insert A LOT of swears here* ugh I think this girly has
myco too, good thing I moved my pregnant mom upstairs to the computer room
before my sister brought her over.

I know that rosie will enjoy moving on, instead of lugging around this
tumour.

Dawn - Sick with disgust!
Joanne - 25 Jan 2006 12:44 GMT
> OMG, my sister brought over her rat tonight, I couldnt help but throw up!
> Rosie is about 3yrs old, has a tumour the size of my bloody fist! My sister
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> Dawn - Sick with disgust!

OMG, Dawn, that is horrible. You are doing the right thing by calling
animal services, at least they may be able to teach your sister how to
properly care for her animals.
You are doing the right thing with Rosie, poor girl...

Joanne
Owned by 15 rats
Vanessa - 25 Jan 2006 14:47 GMT
That is a very sad and unfortunate situation to be in, especially when
it is a family member.  Tough thing to deal with.
I would be concerned that the animals might be removed by whatever
agency it is that you are going to call, and be euthanized (especially
the rats).  Any chance of getting them out of there first?  Would you
be able to give the two remaining rats a home with you?  Or maybe being
there if they do a home visit and telling the agency that you have a
place for them to go?
The agencies that I have had any dealings with don't place too much
value on ratty lives.  Maybe you will have a better experience with
them.
Not that I am condoning allowing this to happen, don't get me wrong.  I
would always have the surgery done, or put the rat to sleep if there is
no quality of life or if they are suffering in any way.  I remember
having two mammary tumours removed from my Holly, one just before she
turned two, the other was removed when she was well over two.  When she
died, she had another that was about the size of a grape.
However, it is a fairly common occurance that female rat owners allow
tumours to get out of control like that.  I have seen and heard of rats
with tumours that size.  Sometimes, the rat is too sick to have surgery
in the end, but would have been fine earlier on when the tumour was
much smaller.  Sometimes they are just too sick from the beginning, and
the tumour gets out of control very quickly.  Females can have a good
quality of life for a long time with fairly large tumours.  I am not
saying that this is the situation with Rosie, especially since she is
very old, but sometimes they do well for longer than expected.
I remember my vet telling me that a man brought in a female with a
tumour that was as big as she was.  Other than the tumour, the rat was
doing very well overall.  When she told him how much the surgery was
going to cost, he said to put her down.  Instead, my vet asked if he
would surrender the ratty to her, and he agreed.  My vet removed the
tumour, and weighed it, and it was the same weight as the rat.  Awful.
The little girl came through the surgery fine, and my vet kept her
until she passed away.  I am not sure how old she was at the time of
the surgery, but females usually develop those types of tumours at over
eighteen months, so maybe she was around the two year old mark.
Again, I wouldn't let this happen myself, and I don't condone it in any
way.  I am just hoping that maybe Rosie hasn't been really bad off that
long, that maybe she only started going really downhill just recently.
Michael Rozdoba - 25 Jan 2006 20:46 GMT
> However, it is a fairly common occurance that female rat owners allow
>  tumours to get out of control like that.  I have seen and heard of
> rats with tumours that size.  Sometimes, the rat is too sick to have
> surgery in the end, but would have been fine earlier on when the
> tumour was much smaller.

We were advised not to have the surgery early on (no, I'll not ever
follow that advice again) & then when we took Kairi in to have a single
large tumour removed - about the size of a golf ball - by the time they
got her anaethetised they found two more tumours & wouldn't operate.
That was over six months before we had her pts & although her mobility
reduced over that time I think her quality of life was good, though
obviously that was only possible given we could give her more attention.

> Sometimes they are just too sick from the beginning, and the tumour
> gets out of control very quickly.  Females can have a good quality of
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> Awful. The little girl came through the surgery fine, and my vet kept
> her until she passed away.

God, how I wish we had a vet who would operate in those circumstances :-(

> I am not sure how old she was at the time of the surgery, but females
> usually develop those types of tumours at over eighteen months, so
> maybe she was around the two year old mark. Again, I wouldn't let
> this happen myself, and I don't condone it in any way.  I am just
> hoping that maybe Rosie hasn't been really bad off that long, that
> maybe she only started going really downhill just recently.

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dawn - 26 Jan 2006 04:33 GMT
If my daughters rat wasnt expecting babies anytime soon, I wouldve taken the
rats myself. However,  I have spoken with the humane society in our area
here today, and both rats had to be pts, because the remaining two had
massive tumours. One of the rats tumours was connected to her heart and they
felt that operating would still not give her a decent quality of life. The
humane society here doesnt view rats as worthless. I have taken care of many
rescued rats from the humane society in the past and will do so once we have
moved into a bigger house.

The vet was very compassionate with Rosie, and knew a bit of history before
she gave her the gas. She explained that the tumour had just began to
necrotize and she figured Rosie wouldve had maybe another month to live. The
vet also said that she had never seen a tumour get so big before. Most pet
owners have them either pts or take a chance on removing the tumour. Rosie
was gassed at 10:50am and before the clock hit 10:51 she was gone. That
little girl had no will to fight at all. 3 years is a long time for a girly
to live and even longer when you are forced to drag a large mass around that
is sucking away your life force.

Rest in Peace Rosie, I hope that you have found peace where you are now, and
you are free. *hugs*

Dawn
Jazz - Soon to be mommy & Joe
> That is a very sad and unfortunate situation to be in, especially when
> it is a family member.  Tough thing to deal with.
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> way.  I am just hoping that maybe Rosie hasn't been really bad off that
> long, that maybe she only started going really downhill just recently.
Tania - 26 Jan 2006 19:01 GMT
It's a comfort to know she passed peacefully, poor little mite.
You should be commended for helping her on her way x
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> If my daughters rat wasnt expecting babies anytime soon, I wouldve taken
> the
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>> way.  I am just hoping that maybe Rosie hasn't been really bad off that
>> long, that maybe she only started going really downhill just recently.
Tania - 25 Jan 2006 19:57 GMT
What a pitiful story Dawn .........

You will definitely be doing the right thing by Rosie, and you are right by
reporting her too and helping to rescue the other animals too.

Thinking of you xx
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> OMG, my sister brought over her rat tonight, I couldnt help but throw up!
> Rosie is about 3yrs old, has a tumour the size of my bloody fist! My
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> Dawn - Sick with disgust!
Kate - 26 Jan 2006 01:17 GMT
> OMG, my sister brought over her rat tonight, I couldnt help but throw up!
> Rosie is about 3yrs old, has a tumour the size of my bloody fist! My sister
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>
> Dawn - Sick with disgust!

How very sad..:(  Probably the most kindness shown to the wee soul will
be to send her on..:)  bless you for doing this moreso when a family
member is involved.  It is very courageous of you to involve animal
services..  Maybe the other pets will have a chance, thats if they have
been neglected.  One of our dogs was rescued by the SPCA and came to us
as a pup.  His owner was convicted of neglect and got fined and not
allowed to own any animals for 2 years.  I also get rung by the SPCA
should any unwanted Rats come in.  So I know that the SPCA doesn't Put
them to  sleep here without expoloring all options.  Hopefully that is
the same where you are too..:)  All the best for you and Rosie.

Regards Kate
 
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