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Pet Forum / Mammals / Rats / February 2006Good news for Peach's pipsqueaks
Today I stopped by the pet shop where I had gotten Daisy and Peach. I told one of their employees about how Peach was pregnant and gave birth 16 days after I had bought her. The lady said that the shop can take the babies when they're weaned, since it was their mistake. I'm relieved and quite happy, to say the least. Now I'm not under so much pressure to find good homes for them. If I can give one or two away to friends then I'll be happy. As to keeping one or two of them myself, I will have the whole litter to choose from. - NRen2k5 > Today I stopped by the pet shop where I had gotten Daisy and Peach. I > told one of their employees about how Peach was pregnant and gave birth [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - NRen2k5 Before you bring them back to the store which is a bad idea in my opinion because they will be sold as food, consider posting here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canada-Rat-Adoption/messages It's a rescue group. Explain the situation of having a pregnant rat from the store and that you need homes in 3 weeks time. It will be the babies' best chance at life. Where are you located? Joanne Owned by 15 rats > Before you bring them back to the store which is a bad idea in my > opinion because they will be sold as food [...] Darn. Are you sure? Is it possible they could even tell me they'll be sold as pets when they'll really end up as snakefood? :| > Where are you located? Suburbs of Montreal. - NRen2k5 If they don't sell immediately as babies, there is an extremely good chance that they will be sold as food for another animal. Yes, they will be dishonest with you, because they might not care where they go, especially since they are paid for. Please consider going the rescue route, especially with the link that Joanne gave you. Also, try emailing Jane Sorensen, who owns that list, she runs Small Victories Rodent Rescue. She could very well be able to suggest some homes that she can put you on to, she is in Montreal as well. Jane can also sometimes come up with transport to other areas. You can contact her here: smallvictories.jane@gmail.com >> Before you bring them back to the store which is a bad idea in my >> opinion because they will be sold as food [...] [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - NRen2k5 What Vanessa wrote is right. They will tell you sure it's for pets only but there's no way that happens. Pet stores make most of their small animal sales to herp people. These baby rats are live fed to snakes. It's a horrific end for the poor rattie. Joanne Owned by 15 rats [snip] > They will tell you sure it's for pets only but there's no way that > happens. Pet stores make most of their small animal sales to herp people. > These baby rats are live fed to snakes. Um... I don't know about Canada, but that's certainly not the case round here. Not unless snake owners are very, very rich! Our local pet shop sells very small frozen 'pinkies' as pet food, which is quite separate from the section with the live small animals: gerbils, hamsters and rats, with the rats as the most expensive.  SignatureIgenlode Visit the Ivory Tower http://ivory.150m.com/Tower/ ** Sometimes change is improvement. Sometimes it is only change. ** > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > is quite separate from the section with the live small animals: gerbils, > hamsters and rats, with the rats as the most expensive. Are you in the UK? Our rats sell anywhere from $2 to $10... that's not too expensive for our herp lovers. On top of that the cruelty laws in Canada are absolutely deplorable. Joanne Owned by 15 rats >> [snip] >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Joanne > Owned by 15 rats When we bought the rats for my husband's class pets we paid about $2.50 apiece. The woman who sold them to us was thrilled that they were going to be kept as pets and not fed to a snake. I felt bad that we could only take two and had to leave their sisters behind. And I agree that Canada's cruelty laws are pathethic. Even the most extreme cases result in no more than a slap on the wrist for the offender. I suspect that things won't improve much with our new government in place either. Jacqui [snip] > > Our local pet shop sells very small frozen 'pinkies' as pet food, which > > is quite separate from the section with the live small animals: gerbils, > > hamsters and rats, with the rats as the most expensive. > > Are you in the UK? England, yes. > Our rats sell anywhere from $2 to $10... that's not too expensive for > our herp lovers. I don't know what the Canadian dollar is worth, but pet rats locally are a *lot* more than two pounds each; I think it was twelve last time I looked, unless that was guinea-pigs... I imagine it's the shop's deliberate policy, to make sure people value their pets and don't consider them impulse buys. > On top of that the cruelty laws in Canada are absolutely deplorable. I always assumed snake owners round here were too squeamish to feed their animals anything with fur and whiskers, which is why they sell the ones that look like little pink blobs -- same as they don't sell recognisable bits of animals in the supermarket meat aisles, and feed cats and dogs on cooked puree in tins instead of bleeding lumps of flesh. But I don't actually know anyone with a snake. SignatureIgenlode Visit the Ivory Tower http://ivory.150m.com/Tower/ But we must not be hasty; for it is easier to shout 'stop!' than to do it. > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > deliberate policy, to make sure people value their pets and don't > consider them impulse buys. Our $2 wouldn't even be 1 pound for you. >>On top of that the cruelty laws in Canada are absolutely deplorable. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > cats and dogs on cooked puree in tins instead of bleeding lumps of > flesh. But I don't actually know anyone with a snake. I remember reading several times that it was illegal in the UK to live feed reptiles. Canada being in the commonwealth, you would think would have similar laws... Joanne Owned by 15 rats [snip] > > I always assumed snake owners round here were too squeamish to feed > > their animals anything with fur and whiskers, which is why they sell [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I remember reading several times that it was illegal in the UK to live > feed reptiles. Actually, that rings a bell -- I believe I've seen it actively advised against, not on the grounds of the rodents' welfare but of the snakes'! Apparently, if the snake is too lethargic to eat the animal right away, the 'food' is quite likely to gnaw at the snake, causing skin injuries severe enough for the reptile to have to be put down. > Canada being in the commonwealth, you would think would have similar > laws... I expect it's your rough, tough pioneering spirit :-( SignatureIgenlode Visit the Ivory Tower http://ivory.150m.com/Tower/ The Yellow God forever gazes down > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I expect it's your rough, tough pioneering spirit :-( Nope, just our legal ineptitude. You know, here in my province of Quebec, it's illegal to make a business sign in anything but French? - NRen2k5 >> I always assumed snake owners round here were too squeamish to feed >> their animals anything with fur and whiskers, which is why they sell >> the ones that look like little pink blobs -- same as they don't sell >> recognisable bits of animals in the supermarket meat aisles, and feed >> cats and dogs on cooked puree in tins instead of bleeding lumps of >> flesh. But I don't actually know anyone with a snake. From what I've seen online, some are & some certainly aren't. It reminds me of the stereotypical schoolboy pullings wings off flys - only I had hoped most people grow out of that & can also distinguish between differing levels of sentience & capacity to suffer of the species that is the meal. > I remember reading several times that it was illegal in the UK to live > feed reptiles. That's my understanding. <looks around> The following seems a reasonably accurate account: http://www.livefoodshop.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=30116&hl=live%20feeding&st=15 Also it has the benefit of no pictures of the process, which I did unfortunately find during my search :/ To summarise, feeding of live mammals would probably be interpreted as cruelty under English/Welsh law (possibly not only to the meal but also to the diner, if injured in the process, which I suppose is a fair line of reasoning). It's also consistent with what I've seen in pet shops in the UK. Lots of live insects sold as food; frozen small mammals; no actively promoted sale of live rodents as food. Not that I imagine a price tag of 5-10ukp a time would put off some individuals who get a kick out of instigating & watching the death of creatures capable of expressing their fear & suffering. Arguments about nature are always amusing in such cases - if I were to appeal to the laws of nature, it would be okay for me to smack such an individual over the back of the head & bury them under my patio, as long as I don't get caught. > Canada being in the commonwealth, you would think would have similar > laws... I think I'm going off Canada :/ SignatureMichael m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t |
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