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Is this true? illegal to breed rats in Alberta, Canada???

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shelagh - 23 Feb 2006 23:40 GMT
I got an email from Petsmart stating that the reason they do not have
pet rats in their store here on Vancouver Island is because their
supplier is in Alberta and it is illegal to breed rats there.
True?
If so does that mean nobody in the entire province can have a pet rat
and breed it?

let me know.

curious,

Sheila
Vanessa - 23 Feb 2006 23:53 GMT
Yes, rats are banned in Alberta.  No pets, no vets to treat them, no
rats at all.
I think they celebrate that their province has been rat free for over
50 years.
I have heard of a couple of people trying to keep pet rats in Alberta
over the years, and they have been able to keep them quiet.  That is,
until they get sick and there are no vets to treat them.  All vets have
to report any rats, and then the rats are confiscated and destroyed.
There is a great rescue in BC, if you are looking for rats.  I believe
that they can even arrange transport to other areas.  You can see them
here:
http://www.smallanimalrescue.org/
shelagh - 24 Feb 2006 00:46 GMT
thanks vanessa....wow...I find that sooooo weird and creepy that laws
like that are still so enforced.

I have 6 wonderful rats!!

2 older girls -Whisper and Jayna
2 boys- Googe and Jeeves
2 younder girls- Alice and Trixie

I'm new to this group...haven't had time to look around alot...but if
there is a place to post pics I will

thanks again for the sad info.
Sheila
Tracey - 24 Feb 2006 11:32 GMT
> thanks vanessa....wow...I find that sooooo weird and creepy that laws
> like that are still so enforced.
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> thanks again for the sad info.
> Sheila

Hi.  Would love to see your ratties!  There is a free online album called
webshots that a lot of us here use to share our pics.  Here's a link:
http://www.webshots.com/samplers/

Tracey
Michael Rozdoba - 24 Feb 2006 12:03 GMT
> Yes, rats are banned in Alberta.  No pets, no vets to treat them, no
> rats at all.

Do they have a significant wild rat population & does it cause much trouble?

Forgive the ignorance but I don't know the climate or what other
predators exist - would a fancy rat have much chance of surviving in the
wild?

I'm just trying to eliminate any real reasons they might have, before I
add the entire province to my internal list of worthless places on earth
(not that I'm judgemental or anything ;-( )

> I think they celebrate that their province has been rat free for over
> 50 years.

Using their own definition of a rat as something unpleasant, one assumes
this means they now have no politicians either.

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Joanne - 24 Feb 2006 12:11 GMT
>> Yes, rats are banned in Alberta.  No pets, no vets to treat them, no
>> rats at all.
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> Using their own definition of a rat as something unpleasant, one assumes
> this means they now have no politicians either.

LOL!
Alberta and Saskatchewan are two provinces that depend on their farms
and crops. They are our prairies. Alberta claims that the rats were
eating their grains and causing them damage and lost revenue. But here's
the thing, only rats are banned and killed, not mice, not prairie
dogs... not anything else, just rats.
My brother in law is from Sask. the neigbouring province and he grew up
on a farm. Rats are not banned there yet. He told me their biggest
problems were the field mice. He told me he never once saw a rat in
their crops, just field mice munching away at the grain in the silos.
Go figure...

Joanne
Owned by 15 rats
Vanessa - 24 Feb 2006 12:47 GMT
I always loved that quote from Jurassic Park, when the scientists are
telling Jeff Goldblum about how they only clone female dinosaurs, and
he responds with 'Nature always finds a way'.  I loved that.  And boy,
is it ever the truth.  Whenever we think we have got the upper hand
over nature, we always find out the complete opposite.
For all we know, there is this mutant rat species developing in little
pockets all over Alberta, that is going to be very much worse to them
than the native rat species that they started out with.  Or maybe
another species is starting up, that will be much worse for the crops,
whose numbers might have been controlled if they had rats keeping them
in check.  Mice are a good example, because rats will prey on mice.
Maybe that will take another ten years, maybe another hundred years.  I
just don't think we should fool with things like that.  I think we
always end up paying a lot more in the end.  We just can't or don't
think that far into the future, we aren't very good about the whole
consequences thing.
Michael Rozdoba - 24 Feb 2006 20:04 GMT
> We just can't or don't think that far into the future, we aren't very
> good about the whole consequences thing.

LOL. Yes quite. Have you thought of politics? I'd love to hear those
words from the mouth of a politician. You'd probably get my vote.

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Vanessa - 24 Feb 2006 12:24 GMT
Alberta is a farming province, lots of farms, lots of grain.  They have
eliminated rats for that reason, because of the damage they do to the
grain crops.  Rats means wild rats as well, although I have never truly
believed that they can determine that they don't have one wild rat in
the province.  It's not like they are an island, they sit in the middle
of other provinces and states that have rats.
As much as I adore rats, and as much as I think they have just as much
right to live happily on this earth as we do, I can understand why a
province that exists primarily because of the crops they grow, wouldn't
want them around.
Again, I don't agree with the destruction, especially of pet rats, but
I can appreciate their desire not to be overrun with rats in that
province.
I believe that there are states that ban certain types of rodents too.
I think California bans gerbils, although I am not sure why, again it
might be a crop issue.  I believe that some states ban ferrets because
of past experience with other wildlife being destroyed because of them.
Australia bans hundreds of different species because of their bad
experiences with imported, non native, species doing the destruction
they have in that country.  Rabbits, camels, etc. have destroyed entire
ecosystems.  We have a huge problem ourselves in Ontario since we
introduced Zebra Mussels into our waterways to destroy another marine
pest, and now we are up to our eyeballs in Zebra Mussels, they coat
entire bottoms of ships, they clog up every water piping system from
ships and land, and we have no way of getting rid of them.  That was
pretty stupid, I think.
I know that there is a big difference between importing non native
wildlife, and eliminating native wildlife, but it boils down to the
same thing.  Not wanting something to be destroyed.  In Alberta's case
it is crops.
Joanne - 24 Feb 2006 02:01 GMT
> I got an email from Petsmart stating that the reason they do not have
> pet rats in their store here on Vancouver Island is because their
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>
> Sheila

I remember a story of a family moved there with their two pet rats. The
neighbors "ratted" them out. The authorities came and removed the
children's pet rats and had them pts.
Most recently, one community got together with their shovels to proudly
kill the fancy rats that some idiot let loose, there was a small colony
of them.
Saskatchewan was entertaining the idea of going the same route as
Alberta with regards to rats. But I think that was quickly quashed when
the rat community went public with their protests.

Joanne
Owned by 15 rats
Tracey - 24 Feb 2006 11:34 GMT
>> I got an email from Petsmart stating that the reason they do not have
>> pet rats in their store here on Vancouver Island is because their
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> Joanne
> Owned by 15 rats

That is so sad.

Tracey
Michael Rozdoba - 24 Feb 2006 12:07 GMT
> I remember a story of a family moved there with their two pet rats. The
> neighbors "ratted" them out. The authorities came and removed the
> children's pet rats and had them pts.

I know it wouldn't be practical for 99.9% of cases, but would the owners
get the chance to move out the region first, or do they just send
special services in with smoke grenades & all? - For some reason I'm
reminded of Terry Gilliam's Brazil, but that's probably a touch overly
dramatic.

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Joanne - 24 Feb 2006 15:06 GMT
>> I remember a story of a family moved there with their two pet rats.
>> The neighbors "ratted" them out. The authorities came and removed the
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> reminded of Terry Gilliam's Brazil, but that's probably a touch overly
> dramatic.

I'm not sure if they were given the choice to leave but the rats had to
leave that immediately. The man had just been transferred there through
his job.
Yes, I wouldn't doubt, night gear, smoke bombs... sheesh...

Joanne
Owned by 15 rats
 
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