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Chris N - 24 Feb 2006 22:28 GMT
Hi Everyone.

I've noticed a lot of posts concerning hairless Rats recently including many
pictures.
As an owner of Two, Standard, fully hirsute Female Rats I find myself at a
loss to understand the appeal.

Can somebody please explain the necessity, to meddle with such a successful,
adaptable and lovable animal.

So many of the posts in this group are about preventing and dealing with the
consequences of illness and disease. Everybody who posts seems to have a
strong and genuine love for their pets but surely breeding a hairless rat
with the disadvantages that these have contradicts this love.

Grooming, either themselves. or each other, seems to be such an important
part of every Rat's routine. What do the hairless ones do instead - how do
they bond? Lick each others skin?

I would love to hear all of your opinions.

Regards

Chris
Joanne - 24 Feb 2006 22:38 GMT
> Hi Everyone.
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> Chris

Have you ever cuddled a hairless rat? In the beginning, I too was not
very fond of them. But once i picked up a baby hairless and he cuddled
in my neck, I was hooked. They have strong personalities (ok, all rats
have that) but they have these warm, very warm little bodies.
Some hairless are born from two furred parents so it was not an over
breeding. It was a fluke.
Rex, double rex and hairless are all a form of mutation to some extant.
One must realize that if the fur genes mutated, what other cells mutated
in the body? So is the way of breeding and over doing it. But hairless
are here now and have become a desired trait.
In the past it was said that hairless were sickly and died young. This
is no longer the case. I know of some hairless that live beyond 2.5 years.
If we accept dumbos, then we must accept hairless.

Have you ever had a rat groom your finger or your hand? They don't only
lick, they do groom with their teeth and that's how it is with hairless.
Hairlesses love to be groomed and to cuddle with their furry friends.

Joanne
Owned by 15 rats
Vanessa - 24 Feb 2006 23:02 GMT
This might get me in trouble with some, but I will give my opinion
anyway because I feel very strongly about it.
I am against the breeding of any hairless animal.  The only advantage
that I can think of is, that those who would normally be allergic to an
animal, have the opportunity to have the pleasure of it's company.  I
don't think that it alleviates all the factors that make an animal
cause an allergic reaction, but from what I have read, it makes them
bearable if they have no fur.
I believe that hairlessness is detrimental to rats, and I think that
they suffer genetically and physically when they are hairless.  They
are smaller, many times I have heard that maloclusion is common with
hairless rats, they suffer an abundance of skin conditions that furred
rats don't suffer as much with, they are wounded by their cagemates
more easily (even when they are just moving around, not being
aggressive) which can result in more frequent abscesses.  I understand
that they often suffer from kidney issues, more myco and respiratory
flairups, and often their lifespans are shorter.
I also believe that they promote rats as being something that is
'trendy' like the most popular pair of shoes, or cellphone, or ipod.  I
don't think that people appreciate rats for what they are, and what
they bring to your life, if the priority is that the ones that they own
have to be hairless.  I think that they are a novelty to many people
who own them.
I, personally, would give almost anything to have a plain black/agouti
rat, with standard ears and standard coat, that lives to be five years
old.  I couldn't care less what they look like, as long as they are
happy, healthy, and live to a ripe old age.  From what I gather,
hairless rats are none of those things.
This isn't coming from just reading up.  I adopted a boy from animal
control, who was one of four cagemates surrenedered (I wanted all
four), and my opinion is as strong as it is having shared my life with
him.
Michael Rozdoba - 25 Feb 2006 02:00 GMT
> I, personally, would give almost anything to have a plain black/agouti
> rat, with standard ears and standard coat, that lives to be five years
> old.  I couldn't care less what they look like, as long as they are
> happy, healthy, and live to a ripe old age.

I couldn't agree more with that. If only.

As to the rest, I'm not experienced or qualified enough to comment,
other than maybe to express my own opinion that intentional breeding, of
what seems like a deficiency/disability, at the very least makes me
uneasy & echo all of your sentiments to some degree.

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Hellahulla - 26 Feb 2006 20:58 GMT
The point is indeed a valid one.

Personally I go for animals who are attracted to me and who I have a
connection with, no point buying a rare or special breed or variety of
any animal just to have a mopey pet who doesn't like me :) (Not that
I'm saying that fancy looking animals are not as loving as the more
regular ones, but this is an example OK ;) )
I'd much rather have a "dull" BEW or hooded than anything fancy, if
that said "dull" rat loved me more than anything :)

Just my t'pence
Eric
Lynn - 25 Feb 2006 18:13 GMT
Well, I did not breed mine intentionally, the mommy came to me already
preggers from her brother, who also had not been bred intentionally, and so
on. Some things just happen.

Regardless of all the science, I love mine all to pieces.

Lynn
kitty
bevluvsrats - 26 Feb 2006 11:15 GMT
Well, I don't have any actual hairless, but I have a double rex, and
two fuzzies and I couldn't be without them.

All are dumbo for starters, which gives their faces such a cute edge,
the wrinkles are gorgeous, and to be perfectly honest with you, there
are no disadvantages!

The live with my other rats, eat the same food, sleep in the same beds,
a rat's a rat! Doesn't matter if it has fur or not. All that is more
visible with hairless rats is when they get into a scuffle, the
scratches are visible, but if you think about it, haired rats still get
those scratches, it's just tat we can't see them, so that's just all
about how you deal with it, if you're not strong stomached enough to
deal with the odd scratch here and there through playing, or fighting,
then have a haired rat.

Of course they don't have anything to stop them getting chilly, but I
don't keep my rats outside and they always have more than enough
bedding to kep them snuggly if they do get chilly, plus I've known of
them being housed outside in sheds or garages, and being perfectly
fine, I just wouldn't choose to do that myself.

Maisy and Sophie on this page are my female fuzz and my double rex:

http://www.sylviathornhill.co.uk/Bev/Girls.htm

And Smeagol on this page is my fuzz buck:

http://www.sylviathornhill.co.uk/Bev/Boys.htm

When you actually hold one for yourself, that'll either make or break
your decision.

Bev x

Owner of Clubrats 2:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clubrats2/#

Visit my brand new ratty website:
http://www.sylviathornhill.co.uk/Bev/Index.htm

Collect Ratabilia? See my collection:
http://www.sylviathornhill.co.uk/Bev/Ratabilia.htm

*It has recently been discovered that research causes cancer in rats*

*Baytril - jack of all trades, master of none!*
Chris N - 26 Feb 2006 20:08 GMT
I'm sure you all love your hairless Rats regardless, that's obvious. And I
realise that they try to behave as normally
as they can and are equally affectionate with their owners and cagemates.
But when these mutations happen in the wild they don't survive. And for a
very good reason as Mr Charles Darwin brought to our attention many years
ago.
I'm well aware that every breed of pet Dog from the Great Dane to the
Pekingese is a result of selective breeding but I still find the Chinese
Crested and the Peruvian and Mexican hairless completely repugnant.
Incidently I find it a sad indicator of the type person who is enthusiastic
for these breeds, that a Google Image search for hairless Dog also comes up
with a Tattooed Pig!

Personally I echo what Vanessa said, In that I'd rather have plain Agouti
Rat that lived to be Five years old. That, in my opinion is what breeders
with a true love of animals should be striving to achieve. I say this in the
week I have found a tumour on Gretchen which seems to be groing on a daily
basis.
Hopefully it's benign, she's only just a year old.
Thanks for those who have given their views and anyone else please add your
thoughts

Chris N

Breeding "True Hairless" Females equals Dissapointment!
 I get many emails each week about hairless rats being terrible mothers.
They eat, squish or starve their babies. At Odd Fellows Rattery, in 2001, we
bred four different does from different backgrounds. The resulting babies
from all of the litters were either cannabalized, squished, abandoned or
starved due to poor parenting and/or inadequate or no lactation. Only one
hairless doe (born to furred parents) lactated. However, she cannabalized
more than half of her two litters, but lactated and protected the remaining
babies.
  With that said, this does not occur in every hairless female. Those that
have been outcrossed with furred rats may inherit positive qualities that
allow them to rear babies normally. But, how do you know if your rat is like
this? Avoid the dissapointment and breed a hairless carrier female to a
hairless male and the chance is high all offspring will survive. At Odd
Fellows Rattery, all of our hairless rats are outcrossed with furred rats. I
have chosen to discontinue breeding hairless does, and in fact, I discourage
their breeding.

Generally, hairless rats are fragile creatures in comparison to furred rats.
They may have more allergies and may be more susepticle to environmental
stress causing them to become ill.  This is especially true of strains of
hairless deriving from laboratories and passed onto the pet stores. Diseases
common to laboratory and pet store hairless rats are cancer and tumors,
excessive abcessing, wasting, kidney and bladder infections, heart disease,
eye disease, diabetes, excessive respiratory infections, headtilt, and skin
problems.
  Just in the last few years, since the first publication of this article,
fancy rat breeders have made great strides in breeding out health issues
that formally plagued hairless rats.  Now, some lines of hairless rats from
reputable breeders are just as disease resistant as furred rats and can be
expected to live as long, two to three-years-old. Reputable breeders
eliminate tendencies for these diseases through selective breeding.  They
moniter their lines over time and end lines where offspring continually have
health problems that crop up before two-years-old.  Good breeders choose
only the healthiest rats to breed. Hairless rats not selectively bred can be
expected to live 18-24 months.  Outcrossed hairless rats to furred lines
tend to be more robust and live longer than those born to hairless parents.

There is no other oddity in the animal world than an furless creature. An
animal lacking fur would never survive except in the homes of their
cherished owners. Keeping one of these bizarre and incredible creatures
welcomes both conversation and delight. However, to enjoy this special
animal you must provide special care.

http://www.ratbehavior.org/CoatTypes.htm
Vanessa - 27 Feb 2006 12:42 GMT
Unfortunately, many times when a breeder starts to breed rats based on
what their clientele want, looks are made a priority over health and
temperament.  If you ask a breeder, I bet they will tell you that
standard black and agouti rats just don't sell for the most part.  They
can't even give them away sometimes.
People even place orders on rescue lists.  They come on and say that
they have an empty cage, and are willing to adopt rats, but they want
dumbos, or hairless, or a blue rat.  I'm sorry, but if that is a
persons criteria to rescue a rat, then what they want is to place an
order with a breeder, not to rescue.  If they are going to let that
cage sit empty, while perfectly healthy and happy standard rats are
destroyed in animal control facilities waiting for a dumbo or hairless,
then they are not interested in rescuing.  What they need to do in
those cases is seek out a breeder and get put on their waiting list.
I love Oscar, I love all my rats, but he breaks my heart.  Every time I
have to empty one of those nasty cysts, or put ointment on yet another
one of his gashes, my heart sinks.  I hardly ever have to do those
things to my furred rats.  I don't think he is as happy or healthy as
my furred rats, I don't think that I will have him as long, and that is
very upsetting to me.
I just don't think it is worth it to breed hairless animals, even if
the breeding has improved.
 
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