Hairless Rats
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Chris N - 24 Feb 2006 22:28 GMT Hi Everyone.
I've noticed a lot of posts concerning hairless Rats recently including many pictures. As an owner of Two, Standard, fully hirsute Female Rats I find myself at a loss to understand the appeal.
Can somebody please explain the necessity, to meddle with such a successful, adaptable and lovable animal.
So many of the posts in this group are about preventing and dealing with the consequences of illness and disease. Everybody who posts seems to have a strong and genuine love for their pets but surely breeding a hairless rat with the disadvantages that these have contradicts this love.
Grooming, either themselves. or each other, seems to be such an important part of every Rat's routine. What do the hairless ones do instead - how do they bond? Lick each others skin?
I would love to hear all of your opinions.
Regards
Chris
Joanne - 24 Feb 2006 22:38 GMT > Hi Everyone. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Chris Have you ever cuddled a hairless rat? In the beginning, I too was not very fond of them. But once i picked up a baby hairless and he cuddled in my neck, I was hooked. They have strong personalities (ok, all rats have that) but they have these warm, very warm little bodies. Some hairless are born from two furred parents so it was not an over breeding. It was a fluke. Rex, double rex and hairless are all a form of mutation to some extant. One must realize that if the fur genes mutated, what other cells mutated in the body? So is the way of breeding and over doing it. But hairless are here now and have become a desired trait. In the past it was said that hairless were sickly and died young. This is no longer the case. I know of some hairless that live beyond 2.5 years. If we accept dumbos, then we must accept hairless.
Have you ever had a rat groom your finger or your hand? They don't only lick, they do groom with their teeth and that's how it is with hairless. Hairlesses love to be groomed and to cuddle with their furry friends.
Joanne Owned by 15 rats
Vanessa - 24 Feb 2006 23:02 GMT This might get me in trouble with some, but I will give my opinion anyway because I feel very strongly about it. I am against the breeding of any hairless animal. The only advantage that I can think of is, that those who would normally be allergic to an animal, have the opportunity to have the pleasure of it's company. I don't think that it alleviates all the factors that make an animal cause an allergic reaction, but from what I have read, it makes them bearable if they have no fur. I believe that hairlessness is detrimental to rats, and I think that they suffer genetically and physically when they are hairless. They are smaller, many times I have heard that maloclusion is common with hairless rats, they suffer an abundance of skin conditions that furred rats don't suffer as much with, they are wounded by their cagemates more easily (even when they are just moving around, not being aggressive) which can result in more frequent abscesses. I understand that they often suffer from kidney issues, more myco and respiratory flairups, and often their lifespans are shorter. I also believe that they promote rats as being something that is 'trendy' like the most popular pair of shoes, or cellphone, or ipod. I don't think that people appreciate rats for what they are, and what they bring to your life, if the priority is that the ones that they own have to be hairless. I think that they are a novelty to many people who own them. I, personally, would give almost anything to have a plain black/agouti rat, with standard ears and standard coat, that lives to be five years old. I couldn't care less what they look like, as long as they are happy, healthy, and live to a ripe old age. From what I gather, hairless rats are none of those things. This isn't coming from just reading up. I adopted a boy from animal control, who was one of four cagemates surrenedered (I wanted all four), and my opinion is as strong as it is having shared my life with him.
Michael Rozdoba - 25 Feb 2006 02:00 GMT > I, personally, would give almost anything to have a plain black/agouti > rat, with standard ears and standard coat, that lives to be five years > old. I couldn't care less what they look like, as long as they are > happy, healthy, and live to a ripe old age. I couldn't agree more with that. If only.
As to the rest, I'm not experienced or qualified enough to comment, other than maybe to express my own opinion that intentional breeding, of what seems like a deficiency/disability, at the very least makes me uneasy & echo all of your sentiments to some degree.
 Signature Michael m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t
Hellahulla - 26 Feb 2006 20:58 GMT The point is indeed a valid one.
Personally I go for animals who are attracted to me and who I have a connection with, no point buying a rare or special breed or variety of any animal just to have a mopey pet who doesn't like me :) (Not that I'm saying that fancy looking animals are not as loving as the more regular ones, but this is an example OK ;) ) I'd much rather have a "dull" BEW or hooded than anything fancy, if that said "dull" rat loved me more than anything :)
Just my t'pence Eric
Lynn - 25 Feb 2006 18:13 GMT Well, I did not breed mine intentionally, the mommy came to me already preggers from her brother, who also had not been bred intentionally, and so on. Some things just happen.
Regardless of all the science, I love mine all to pieces.
Lynn kitty
bevluvsrats - 26 Feb 2006 11:15 GMT Well, I don't have any actual hairless, but I have a double rex, and two fuzzies and I couldn't be without them.
All are dumbo for starters, which gives their faces such a cute edge, the wrinkles are gorgeous, and to be perfectly honest with you, there are no disadvantages!
The live with my other rats, eat the same food, sleep in the same beds, a rat's a rat! Doesn't matter if it has fur or not. All that is more visible with hairless rats is when they get into a scuffle, the scratches are visible, but if you think about it, haired rats still get those scratches, it's just tat we can't see them, so that's just all about how you deal with it, if you're not strong stomached enough to deal with the odd scratch here and there through playing, or fighting, then have a haired rat.
Of course they don't have anything to stop them getting chilly, but I don't keep my rats outside and they always have more than enough bedding to kep them snuggly if they do get chilly, plus I've known of them being housed outside in sheds or garages, and being perfectly fine, I just wouldn't choose to do that myself.
Maisy and Sophie on this page are my female fuzz and my double rex:
http://www.sylviathornhill.co.uk/Bev/Girls.htm
And Smeagol on this page is my fuzz buck:
http://www.sylviathornhill.co.uk/Bev/Boys.htm
When you actually hold one for yourself, that'll either make or break your decision.
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Chris N - 26 Feb 2006 20:08 GMT I'm sure you all love your hairless Rats regardless, that's obvious. And I realise that they try to behave as normally as they can and are equally affectionate with their owners and cagemates. But when these mutations happen in the wild they don't survive. And for a very good reason as Mr Charles Darwin brought to our attention many years ago. I'm well aware that every breed of pet Dog from the Great Dane to the Pekingese is a result of selective breeding but I still find the Chinese Crested and the Peruvian and Mexican hairless completely repugnant. Incidently I find it a sad indicator of the type person who is enthusiastic for these breeds, that a Google Image search for hairless Dog also comes up with a Tattooed Pig!
Personally I echo what Vanessa said, In that I'd rather have plain Agouti Rat that lived to be Five years old. That, in my opinion is what breeders with a true love of animals should be striving to achieve. I say this in the week I have found a tumour on Gretchen which seems to be groing on a daily basis. Hopefully it's benign, she's only just a year old. Thanks for those who have given their views and anyone else please add your thoughts
Chris N
Breeding "True Hairless" Females equals Dissapointment! I get many emails each week about hairless rats being terrible mothers. They eat, squish or starve their babies. At Odd Fellows Rattery, in 2001, we bred four different does from different backgrounds. The resulting babies from all of the litters were either cannabalized, squished, abandoned or starved due to poor parenting and/or inadequate or no lactation. Only one hairless doe (born to furred parents) lactated. However, she cannabalized more than half of her two litters, but lactated and protected the remaining babies. With that said, this does not occur in every hairless female. Those that have been outcrossed with furred rats may inherit positive qualities that allow them to rear babies normally. But, how do you know if your rat is like this? Avoid the dissapointment and breed a hairless carrier female to a hairless male and the chance is high all offspring will survive. At Odd Fellows Rattery, all of our hairless rats are outcrossed with furred rats. I have chosen to discontinue breeding hairless does, and in fact, I discourage their breeding.
Generally, hairless rats are fragile creatures in comparison to furred rats. They may have more allergies and may be more susepticle to environmental stress causing them to become ill. This is especially true of strains of hairless deriving from laboratories and passed onto the pet stores. Diseases common to laboratory and pet store hairless rats are cancer and tumors, excessive abcessing, wasting, kidney and bladder infections, heart disease, eye disease, diabetes, excessive respiratory infections, headtilt, and skin problems. Just in the last few years, since the first publication of this article, fancy rat breeders have made great strides in breeding out health issues that formally plagued hairless rats. Now, some lines of hairless rats from reputable breeders are just as disease resistant as furred rats and can be expected to live as long, two to three-years-old. Reputable breeders eliminate tendencies for these diseases through selective breeding. They moniter their lines over time and end lines where offspring continually have health problems that crop up before two-years-old. Good breeders choose only the healthiest rats to breed. Hairless rats not selectively bred can be expected to live 18-24 months. Outcrossed hairless rats to furred lines tend to be more robust and live longer than those born to hairless parents.
There is no other oddity in the animal world than an furless creature. An animal lacking fur would never survive except in the homes of their cherished owners. Keeping one of these bizarre and incredible creatures welcomes both conversation and delight. However, to enjoy this special animal you must provide special care.
http://www.ratbehavior.org/CoatTypes.htm
Vanessa - 27 Feb 2006 12:42 GMT Unfortunately, many times when a breeder starts to breed rats based on what their clientele want, looks are made a priority over health and temperament. If you ask a breeder, I bet they will tell you that standard black and agouti rats just don't sell for the most part. They can't even give them away sometimes. People even place orders on rescue lists. They come on and say that they have an empty cage, and are willing to adopt rats, but they want dumbos, or hairless, or a blue rat. I'm sorry, but if that is a persons criteria to rescue a rat, then what they want is to place an order with a breeder, not to rescue. If they are going to let that cage sit empty, while perfectly healthy and happy standard rats are destroyed in animal control facilities waiting for a dumbo or hairless, then they are not interested in rescuing. What they need to do in those cases is seek out a breeder and get put on their waiting list. I love Oscar, I love all my rats, but he breaks my heart. Every time I have to empty one of those nasty cysts, or put ointment on yet another one of his gashes, my heart sinks. I hardly ever have to do those things to my furred rats. I don't think he is as happy or healthy as my furred rats, I don't think that I will have him as long, and that is very upsetting to me. I just don't think it is worth it to breed hairless animals, even if the breeding has improved.
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